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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby RodimusConvoy13 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:58 pm

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Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D
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Wow! I had forgotten all about Service Merchandise until you mentioned it! We had one in Dickson City, PA when I was a kid. Ours was a bit better in that it had a "showroom" of sorts so that you could see the merchandise in person before buying. I liked to hang out in the video game section, because they always had each of the latest video game consoles on display to play. You did have to bring a ticket for whatever you wanted up to the counter in the front, and then you'd wait there until your stuff came rolling down the conveyer belt from way in the back of the store. Thanks for that blast from the past, o.supreme! :lol:
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Rysquad » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:29 pm

o.supreme wrote:The Target nearest my home has their PotP reset completely done, but very few toys, just a couple Deluxe & Legends. They must really be sticking to that "street date". Seems odd to have all those empty pegs and shelf space for no good reason. Meanwhile, TRU continues to have the same, though I did notice they were doing their annual inventory (RGIS tags everywhere) but No Voyagers or Leaders in sight. I'll probably check a Walmart or two later this week.


Did they have new white tags too? I stopped by one and the new tags don't have yellow on them anymore.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby o.supreme » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:36 pm

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Rysquad wrote:Did they have new white tags too? I stopped by one and the new tags don't have yellow on them anymore.


Yes all new white tags, price points and labels clearly indicating PotP and each size class along with price accordingly.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:12 pm

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And it's again just lack of communication between designers and marketing.


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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:16 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote: those pile of **** primemasters


Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D

Fully agreed. While not the pretenders I truly wanted, holy crap these are fun dudes.
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Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:19 pm

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RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote: those pile of **** primemasters


Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D

No way, those things are trash; extremely unoffensive, and sometimes adorable, but as figures, they're terrible. Guns are serviceable enough, but the pitiful excuses for melee weapons need to seriously up their game. I was so dejected after seeing skullgrin get reduced to a back scratcher :-x
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby RodimusConvoy13 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:21 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote: those pile of **** primemasters


Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D

No way, those things are trash; extremely unoffensive, and sometimes adorable, but as figures, they're terrible. Guns are serviceable enough, but the pitiful excuses for melee weapons need to seriously up their game. I was so dejected after seeing skullgrin get reduced to a back scratcher :-x


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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby steals_your_goats » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:55 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote: those pile of **** primemasters


Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D

No way, those things are trash; extremely unoffensive, and sometimes adorable, but as figures, they're terrible. Guns are serviceable enough, but the pitiful excuses for melee weapons need to seriously up their game. I was so dejected after seeing skullgrin get reduced to a back scratcher :-x

So because you don't like one optional part of one figure that makes them all trash? You know you don't have to use the weapon modes right? That's like saying all Titan masters are trash because every one of them has one mode that isn't great.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:04 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote: those pile of **** primemasters


Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D

No way, those things are trash; extremely unoffensive, and sometimes adorable, but as figures, they're terrible. Guns are serviceable enough, but the pitiful excuses for melee weapons need to seriously up their game. I was so dejected after seeing skullgrin get reduced to a back scratcher :-x

So because you don't like one optional part of one figure that makes them all trash? You know you don't have to use the weapon modes right? That's like saying all Titan masters are trash because every one of them has one mode that isn't great.

So, by your logic, potp starscream is a masterpiece figure, because you don't have to transform it?

I dislike them because they're so lackluster. They have a brick for a bot mode, lackluster alt modes, and the powermasters don't even slot into the hands/feet properly for me, and it doesn't exactly look amazing being stuck onto random tr figures, so no, 0/4 good functions, the only thing saving them, is that people wanted pretenders to be brought back - that doesn't make them any good >:oP
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby bodrock » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:09 pm

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RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote: those pile of **** primemasters


Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D

Fully agreed. While not the pretenders I truly wanted, holy crap these are fun dudes.


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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:15 pm

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Bodrock, please let us know your thoughts on the leaders. I keep trying to enjoy them but I have a tough time apart from the transforming part (which i do like). For instance, I had rodimus yesterday and after transforming him from space winebago mode to full Rodimus mode, I tried posing him but it just wasnt working. I just wanted him to pull off any other pose with his gun aside from him either pointing it straight or holding it upright but I couldnt. His shoulders just dont go outward enough to allow for more dynamic posing.

And I am currently heavily debating returning Prime or not.
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Postby steals_your_goats » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:17 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote: those pile of **** primemasters


Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D

No way, those things are trash; extremely unoffensive, and sometimes adorable, but as figures, they're terrible. Guns are serviceable enough, but the pitiful excuses for melee weapons need to seriously up their game. I was so dejected after seeing skullgrin get reduced to a back scratcher :-x

So because you don't like one optional part of one figure that makes them all trash? You know you don't have to use the weapon modes right? That's like saying all Titan masters are trash because every one of them has one mode that isn't great.

So by your logic, potp starscream is a masterpiece figure, because you don't have to transform it?
that's nowhere near the same thing
I dislike them because they're so lackluster. They have a brick for a bot mode,
yeah they're pretenders. That's their thing
lackluster alt modes,
that they didn't even need to give them and they're completely optional. you can take the weapon piece off their backs and they can hold it as their own weapon if it bothers you that much
and the powermasters don't even slot into the hands/feet properly for me, and it doesn't exactly look amazing being stuck onto random tr figures,
they're not supposed to be used as heads for TR figures so that's not even a valid complaint. Just because they can be used like that doesn't mean they were intended to.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby steals_your_goats » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:22 pm

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william-james88 wrote:For instance, I had rodimus yesterday and after transforming him from space winebago mode to full Rodimus mode, I tried posing him but it just wasnt working. I just wanted him to pull off any other pose with his gun aside from him either pointing it straight or holding it upright but I couldnt. His shoulders just dont go outward enough to allow for more dynamic posing.

I know this wasn't directed at me but I have both leaders (found on store shelves at my Target for those wondering) and I feel the same way about Rodimus. I think he looks awesome and intimidating but he can't pose. At all. I appreciate what they were trying to do with the transformation but it just didn't work.
And I am currently heavily debating returning Prime or not.

What's wrong with prime? He's easily the better of the two figures.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby RodimusConvoy13 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:33 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:
william-james88 wrote:For instance, I had rodimus yesterday and after transforming him from space winebago mode to full Rodimus mode, I tried posing him but it just wasnt working. I just wanted him to pull off any other pose with his gun aside from him either pointing it straight or holding it upright but I couldnt. His shoulders just dont go outward enough to allow for more dynamic posing.

I know this wasn't directed at me but I have both leaders (found on store shelves at my Target for those wondering) and I feel the same way about Rodimus. I think he looks awesome and intimidating but he can't pose. At all. I appreciate what they were trying to do with the transformation but it just didn't work.
And I am currently heavily debating returning Prime or not.

What's wrong with prime? He's easily the better of the two figures.



You can get some better poses with Rodimus, you just have to treat the Hot Rod crotch as his shoulders. I really like the figure.

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Rysquad » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:39 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:The Target nearest my home has their PotP reset completely done, but very few toys, just a couple Deluxe & Legends. They must really be sticking to that "street date". Seems odd to have all those empty pegs and shelf space for no good reason. Meanwhile, TRU continues to have the same, though I did notice they were doing their annual inventory (RGIS tags everywhere) but No Voyagers or Leaders in sight. I'll probably check a Walmart or two later this week.

There are no street dates, stop spreading lies, individual stores cannot control what they do and do not receive, no b&m retailer can that I know of >:oP


It's not a lie. I can attest to the fact that at the Target store I visited on 12/31/2017, Power Masters were on the shelf, but they wouldn't ring up at the register, because they were marked with a street date of "04/20/2018." The manager on duty couldn't do anything for me. When I tried again the same day at the same store, most of the PotP stock that had been there the night before was pulled off the shelves, except for a couple of Deluxes. All the Prime Masters were gone when there had been two pegs full previously. When they checked on the Prime Master inventory, it was still marked as "04/20/2018" and put back in the stock room. Again, they didn't know why that was or how to fix it. There is a street date F'up, but it's limited to Target (possibly only that Target I went to or my region) and it only concerned the Prime Masters, as I bought all the Legends and Deluxes I wanted that first night and both Leaders the next day.


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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:44 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote: those pile of **** primemasters


Take it back, dude! The Prime Masters rock! I love those little guys. :-D

No way, those things are trash; extremely unoffensive, and sometimes adorable, but as figures, they're terrible. Guns are serviceable enough, but the pitiful excuses for melee weapons need to seriously up their game. I was so dejected after seeing skullgrin get reduced to a back scratcher :-x

So because you don't like one optional part of one figure that makes them all trash? You know you don't have to use the weapon alt modes right? That's like saying all Titan masters are trash because every one of them has one mode that isn't great.

So by your logic, potp starscream is a masterpiece figure, because you don't have to transform it?
that's nowhere near the same thing
I dislike them because they're so lackluster. They have a brick for a bot mode,
yeah they're pretenders. That's their thing
lackluster alt modes,
that they didn't even need to give them and they're completely optional. you can take the weapon piece off their backs and they can hold it as their own weapon if it bothers you that much
and the powermasters don't even slot into the hands/feet properly for me, and it doesn't exactly look amazing being stuck onto random tr figures,
they're not supposed to be used as heads for TR figures so that's not even a valid complaint. Just because they can be used like that doesn't mean they were intended to.

But that was your point, they can't be trash b/c you don't have to use the other modes, therefore, potp starscream (a largely reviled figure) is - by your logic - a great figure if you disregard the fact that he has other modes
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby bodrock » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:45 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Bodrock, please let us know your thoughts on the leaders. I keep trying to enjoy them but I have a tough time apart from the transforming part (which i do like). For instance, I had rodimus yesterday and after transforming him from space winebago mode to full Rodimus mode, I tried posing him but it just wasnt working. I just wanted him to pull off any other pose with his gun aside from him either pointing it straight or holding it upright but I couldnt. His shoulders just dont go outward enough to allow for more dynamic posing.

And I am currently heavily debating returning Prime or not.


Hey Will -- I haven't had a chance to mess with Rodimus, but Optimus certainly has tight joints, allowing for decent poseability.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:48 pm

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Rysquad wrote:
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Hellscream9999 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:The Target nearest my home has their PotP reset completely done, but very few toys, just a couple Deluxe & Legends. They must really be sticking to that "street date". Seems odd to have all those empty pegs and shelf space for no good reason. Meanwhile, TRU continues to have the same, though I did notice they were doing their annual inventory (RGIS tags everywhere) but No Voyagers or Leaders in sight. I'll probably check a Walmart or two later this week.

There are no street dates, stop spreading lies, individual stores cannot control what they do and do not receive, no b&m retailer can that I know of >:oP


It's not a lie. I can attest to the fact that at the Target store I visited on 12/31/2017, Power Masters were on the shelf, but they wouldn't ring up at the register, because they were marked with a street date of "04/20/2018." The manager on duty couldn't do anything for me. When I tried again the same day at the same store, most of the PotP stock that had been there the night before was pulled off the shelves, except for a couple of Deluxes. All the Prime Masters were gone when there had been two pegs full previously. When they checked on the Prime Master inventory, it was still marked as "04/20/2018" and put back in the stock room. Again, they didn't know why that was or how to fix it. There is a street date F'up, but it's limited to Target (possibly only that Target I went to or my region) and it only concerned the Prime Masters, as I bought all the Legends and Deluxes I wanted that first night and both Leaders the next day.


I successfully purchased a Prime Master from Target on 1/7.


The street date of "04/20/2018" is indeed a bit of a silly error on Target's part, and I suspect it's on corporate level. As such, some managers or employees may be a bit iffy on "breaking" it, depending on how much of a stickler to rules they are.

Never hurts to ask, and if other stores in your area have them out (proof would be wonderful in this case), do mention that the date has to be an error.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:50 pm

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And I am currently heavily debating returning Prime or not.

What's wrong with prime? He's easily the better of the two figures.


I'd say that's very true for Robot mode, whether we're talking Orion Pax or Optimus Prime. However, Hot Rod and Rodimus Prime pull off way better alt modes. They're not flawless, but they are miles ahead of the trainwreck that is the back half of Optimus' truck cab. If what WJ88 is going for is more poseability in Robot mode, though, I think Optimus has way more options for that. Is it just the alt mode that's putting you off on Optimus, Billy-J?
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:54 pm

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Rysquad wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:The Target nearest my home has their PotP reset completely done, but very few toys, just a couple Deluxe & Legends. They must really be sticking to that "street date". Seems odd to have all those empty pegs and shelf space for no good reason. Meanwhile, TRU continues to have the same, though I did notice they were doing their annual inventory (RGIS tags everywhere) but No Voyagers or Leaders in sight. I'll probably check a Walmart or two later this week.

There are no street dates, stop spreading lies, individual stores cannot control what they do and do not receive, no b&m retailer can that I know of >:oP


It's not a lie. I can attest to the fact that at the Target store I visited on 12/31/2017, Power Masters were on the shelf, but they wouldn't ring up at the register, because they were marked with a street date of "04/20/2018." The manager on duty couldn't do anything for me. When I tried again the same day at the same store, most of the PotP stock that had been there the night before was pulled off the shelves, except for a couple of Deluxes. All the Prime Masters were gone when there had been two pegs full previously. When they checked on the Prime Master inventory, it was still marked as "04/20/2018" and put back in the stock room. Again, they didn't know why that was or how to fix it. There is a street date F'up, but it's limited to Target (possibly only that Target I went to or my region) and it only concerned the Prime Masters, as I bought all the Legends and Deluxes I wanted that first night and both Leaders the next day.


I successfully purchased a Prime Master from Target on 1/7.


The street date of "04/20/2018" is indeed a bit of a silly error on Target's part, and I suspect it's on corporate level. As such, some managers or employees may be a bit iffy on "breaking" it, depending on how much of a stickler to rules they are.

Never hurts to ask, and if other stores in your area have them out (proof would be wonderful in this case), do mention that the date has to be an error.

They should be able to be bought at all Target's as soon as they are accessible, the streetdate was removed last week around the 6th (which is why Rysquad was able to buy them on the 7th)
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby steals_your_goats » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:55 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:But that was your point, they can't be trash b/c you don't have to use the other modes, therefore, potp starscream (a largely reviled figure) is - by your logic - a great figure if you disregard the fact that he has other modes

It's not the same thing at all. Starscream is supposed to have an alt mode. If you take away the jet mode then it's not a proper starscream. If you take away the "alt mode" for the prime masters then they're still the same. Pretender shells don't have an alt mode. It was an added extra for this line. Now if the original pretender shells had an alt mode of their own and it got scrapped for the weapon mode then your comparison makes sense.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:58 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:But that was your point, they can't be trash b/c you don't have to use the other modes, therefore, potp starscream (a largely reviled figure) is - by your logic - a great figure if you disregard the fact that he has other modes

It's not the same thing at all. Starscream is supposed to have an alt mode. If you take away the jet mode then it's not a proper starscream. If you take away the "alt mode" for the prime masters then they're still the same. Pretender shells don't have an alt mode. It was an added extra for this line. Now if the original pretender shells had an alt mode of their own and it got scrapped for the weapon mode then your comparison makes sense.

But we aren't comparing them to what they were in the 80's otherwise people should be pissed 'scream doesn't partsform. I'm saying that as they are the pm's aren't very good figures all things considered, your argument is just that they are as much a brick as they were in the 80's and I'm saying that that does not a good figure make =;
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:05 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:They should be able to be bought at all Target's as soon as they are accessible, the streetdate was removed last week around the 6th (which is why Rysquad was able to buy them on the 7th)


So the reset canceled out the street date? Great :D
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby steals_your_goats » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:24 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:But that was your point, they can't be trash b/c you don't have to use the other modes, therefore, potp starscream (a largely reviled figure) is - by your logic - a great figure if you disregard the fact that he has other modes

It's not the same thing at all. Starscream is supposed to have an alt mode. If you take away the jet mode then it's not a proper starscream. If you take away the "alt mode" for the prime masters then they're still the same. Pretender shells don't have an alt mode. It was an added extra for this line. Now if the original pretender shells had an alt mode of their own and it got scrapped for the weapon mode then your comparison makes sense.

But we aren't comparing them to what they were in the 80's otherwise people should be pissed 'scream doesn't partsform. I'm saying that as they are the pm's aren't very good figures all things considered, your argument is just that they are as much a brick as they were in the 80's and I'm saying that that does not a good figure make =;

Your "argument" changes with each reply. First you said they're bad because of the weapon mode. Then I commented saying that the weapon modes were optional and I didn't think it was fair to discredit an entire line due to one part of one figure. Then all of a sudden they're bad because they have no articulation. They're $5. How much do you expect from them? Then you just drop everything and make a bad comparison that when I try to dispute it you change the argument again to things being the way as they were in the 80's.

My point is simple, something that has been added to a figure as a bonus, that in no way compromises the figure, should not be held against the figure. If it's taking away another feature then fine but that's not what this is.
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