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EDIT: For posterity, I have moved my original posts from the wrong thread, to this one. Please excuse me if they make no sense whatsoever. To be honest though, you should see what the other thread lookd like:

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william-james88 wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Is that cheaper? Shipping must be a real pain. Plus with BBTS for wave two, they dont let you buy figures individually, you have to buy the whole case of deluxes (and end up with doubles).

Plus, you can buy Snarl from amiami for the same price as BBTS and I am certain shipping within japan from amiami is cheaper than shipping from the US

amiami http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... agecnt%3D1

bbts: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/V ... ails/68771

For the bolded part, are you talking Hasbro or Takara Power of the Primes? 'Cause I just looked and it appears only singles of Takara are available (with many sold out), and on the Hasbro side, you can still just preorder Wave 2 sets, no duplicates, of all of the size classes including deluxes, with a few individual ones available (like Rodimus Unicronus). Or was the comment in reference to something else?

[Edit] Link to PotP Wave 2: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/68755

I am talking about Hasbro only. Because since the guy asking a question is in Japan, I wouldnt think he would buy Takara figures from BBTS and have them ship to Japan.

Hence why all of these questions confuses the **** out of me. They are the same toys. So if you are in the US, buy the Hasbro release from a US retailer. And if you are in Japan, buy the takara release from a Japanese retailer. I have no clue why anything else would be considered.

Also, this is the Legends thread. So, let this be the end of the POTP discussion here. If anyone wants to continue it or respond, then simply quote this and copy paste it in the POTP thread.

You're right there. Just to clarify, I wanted to know if it was the same price or cheaper to import the (identical) US POTP figures to Japan, or buy the (identical) Japanese POP (Power of Primes) in Japan. Usually, Japanese TFs are a little more expensive than US ones.

Ironically, if all these new toys are identical, maybe there won't be a need for two threads!?

Yes, but the upcoming new line isn't called "Legends", it's called "Power of (the) Primes".

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I'm not requesting a new thread, just pointing out that the figures MIGHT be the same and the name MIGHT be similar, so who knows about what happens to the threads? No problem either way, though.

I just ordered Takara's Snarl and Grimlock from Amazon Japan. I could have SWORN that I already ordered the full wave prior to this. Were those two waves released after the likes of swoop and Darkwing, etc?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I don't get the distribution for this case. It would have made more sense for all the Terrorcons to have been in the same wave, at 2 per case, and for Wave 2 to have been 2 each of Blackwing, Sludge, Snarl and Moonracer.

I get that she's not nearly as popular or anticipated as Arcee was, but shortpacking her in a case, when she's never had a mass-released toy, and this is her first toy in over 33 years of having appeared in fiction.... just rubs me the wrong way. Also makes me think that Firestar will get the same treatment in Wave 4.

I do get the need for more variety compared to Combiner Wars, but there may may be factors in play that made Wave 2 the way it is:

- The release of Hun-Gurrr in Wave 2 necessitates the release of another Terrorcon
- The release of Elita-1 in Wave 2 resulted in Moonracer added into the mix
- With the apparent goal of having a combiner completed in two waves (Dreadwing and Volcanicus), Blackwing and the final 2 Dinobots are thrown in.

About Moonracer and Blackwing being shortpacked, that may stem from beasts being new and a possible bigger sell. What may also play is the trend of female characters in boy's toy lines not selling. No kidding, I'm seeing RiD Windblades en masse compared to the rest of the line's leftovers. Worse, a certain competitor has started shortpacking female character toys for its lines for boys, so it's not limited to Transformers.

While that does make sense, it would have been easy enough to simply repack Grimlock in with Elita One, as two Dinobots are in this wave as well, and it would have given Moonracer another slot in the case- not to mention that Grimlock is much more popular than all the revealed Voyagers save maybe Starscream. Then Hun-Grrr could have been released as one or both the Voyagers in Wave 3, with all the Terrorcons. Combiner Wars managed to do it with the Protectobots and Combaticons, I don't see why a simple reshuffling of Voyagers and Deluxes between Waves 2 and 3 couldn't have taken place. It would have made for much more balanced distribution.

Bounti76 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I don't get the distribution for this case. It would have made more sense for all the Terrorcons to have been in the same wave, at 2 per case, and for Wave 2 to have been 2 each of Blackwing, Sludge, Snarl and Moonracer.

I get that she's not nearly as popular or anticipated as Arcee was, but shortpacking her in a case, when she's never had a mass-released toy, and this is her first toy in over 33 years of having appeared in fiction.... just rubs me the wrong way. Also makes me think that Firestar will get the same treatment in Wave 4.

I do get the need for more variety compared to Combiner Wars, but there may may be factors in play that made Wave 2 the way it is:

- The release of Hun-Gurrr in Wave 2 necessitates the release of another Terrorcon
- The release of Elita-1 in Wave 2 resulted in Moonracer added into the mix
- With the apparent goal of having a combiner completed in two waves (Dreadwing and Volcanicus), Blackwing and the final 2 Dinobots are thrown in.

About Moonracer and Blackwing being shortpacked, that may stem from beasts being new and a possible bigger sell. What may also play is the trend of female characters in boy's toy lines not selling. No kidding, I'm seeing RiD Windblades en masse compared to the rest of the line's leftovers. Worse, a certain competitor has started shortpacking female character toys for its lines for boys, so it's not limited to Transformers.

While that does make sense, it would have been easy enough to simply repack Grimlock in with Elita One, as two Dinobots are in this wave as well, and it would have given Moonracer another slot in the case- not to mention that Grimlock is much more popular than all the revealed Voyagers save maybe Starscream. Then Hun-Grrr could have been released as one or both the Voyagers in Wave 3, with all the Terrorcons. Combiner Wars managed to do it with the Protectobots and Combaticons, I don't see why a simple reshuffling of Voyagers and Deluxes between Waves 2 and 3 couldn't have taken place. It would have made for much more balanced distribution.

There is also that snippet from ACD Distributor that Repugnus may be coming as an exclusive alongside Shuttle Blast Off. If he is, in fact, a retool of Rippersnapper, they would want the mold out there before the exclusive comes out. That is the only thing that makes sense to me for making wave 2 so weird.

On that note, didn't they (Hasbro) decide early on in the CW releases that releasing the teams separately was a mistake, and they needed to keep them together (which was why the Protectobots, 84-bots, Combaticons, and Sky Reign all released together). I am curious why that decision has been changed/reversed. Seems to me as though Wave 1 could have been Grimlock, Starscream, and the Dinobots. Wave 2 could have been Elita-1 Jazz, Moonracer, Dreadwind, Blackwing. Wave 3 Terrorcons. Wave 4 Inferno, Novastar and some repacks.

Just seems weird to me that they are trying to make the same mistake as before.

mordhelm wrote:On that note, didn't they (Hasbro) decide early on in the CW releases that releasing the teams separately was a mistake, and they needed to keep them together (which was why the Protectobots, 84-bots, Combaticons, and Sky Reign all released together). I am curious why that decision has been changed/reversed.

Thats when you realize that Hasbro is just a name we give to whoever is running the show at the time. The person who said that was Jerry Jivoin, who was in charge of the TF Brand and who fully meant that. However, he is now in charge of all marketting of Hasbro Italy and Ben Montano replaced him and clearly does not think the same way as his predecessor.

So there you go, thats why things changed.

william-james88 wrote:

mordhelm wrote:On that note, didn't they (Hasbro) decide early on in the CW releases that releasing the teams separately was a mistake, and they needed to keep them together (which was why the Protectobots, 84-bots, Combaticons, and Sky Reign all released together). I am curious why that decision has been changed/reversed.

Thats when you realize that Hasbro is just a name we give to whoever is running the show at the time. The person who said that was Jerry Jivoin, who was in charge of the TF Brand and who fully meant that. However, he is now in charge of all marketting of Hasbro Italy and Ben Montano replaced him and clearly does not think the same way as his predecessor.

So there you go, thats why things changed.

Shows how much I pay attention to the regime changes.

Man, I wish TAK-BRO would have adhered more to the concept. Having the Matrix mount inside of Hot-Rod's hood vs. the back of the Rodimus shell would have made the toy more G1-esque ...Of course, what does it matter since he's destined to become Rodimus Unicronus anyway I think I would have been happier if they just released the latter w/2 versions of Hot-rod;(good/bad.) BTW @ Rodimus:

Re: Concept Sketches of Transformers Power of the Primes Rodimus Prime by Emiliano Santalucia (1935189)
Posted by Lunatic Prime on February 1st, 2018 @ 2:33am CST

Rodimus Prime wrote:
So right now there is no PotP Red Swoop in existence, nor are there plans for one, either in the US or in Japan?

I want my Red Swoop, dammit!
If they'll do a box set for Volcanicus with G2 Grimmy, Slag and Snarl they might include toy version Swoop with the red torso and visored head instead of a made up new G2 version of him.

See the following link regarding your red Swoop: http://comic-cons.xyz/transformers-powe ... -dinobots/ . Just remember, the original G1 Dinobot Team was released in red only because it was a DiaClone re-use, the cartoon and subsequent toy releases-even the 2nd run G1 release- all favoured the blue Swoop.

Do we know when wave 3 is scheduled for release?

I'm wondering if is spreading this line out over 2 years so they can add revision stock for the holiday season without negatively effecting the release of wave 4, unless wave 4 is loaded with the rest of the Terrorcons and is scheduled for release in time for the holidays?

I don't know. It's just such a huge wait between the wave 1 initial release in December (with saturation occurring now) and wave 2 (April) which will take time to saturate as well before wave 3 can (should?) be released? I know this goes against the usual quarterly seasonal wave releases but maybe the person in charge right now is learning from the lost TR wave 5 and doesn't want that to happen again?

Or am I being too optimistic?

COMMANDER wrote:Man, I wish TAK-BRO would have adhered more to the concept. Having the Matrix mount inside of Hot-Rod's hood vs. the back of the Rodimus shell would have made the toy more G1-esque ...Of course, what does it matter since he's destined to become Rodimus Unicronus anyway I think I would have been happier if they just released the latter w/2 versions of Hot-rod;(good/bad.) BTW @ Rodimus:

Re: Concept Sketches of Transformers Power of the Primes Rodimus Prime by Emiliano Santalucia (1935189)
Posted by Lunatic Prime on February 1st, 2018 @ 2:33am CST

Rodimus Prime wrote:
So right now there is no PotP Red Swoop in existence, nor are there plans for one, either in the US or in Japan?

I want my Red Swoop, dammit!
If they'll do a box set for Volcanicus with G2 Grimmy, Slag and Snarl they might include toy version Swoop with the red torso and visored head instead of a made up new G2 version of him.

See the following link regarding your red Swoop: http://comic-cons.xyz/transformers-powe ... -dinobots/ . Just remember, the original G1 Dinobot Team was released in red only because it was a DiaClone re-use, the cartoon and subsequent toy releases-even the 2nd run G1 release- all favoured the blue Swoop.

Blue Swoop was a Diaclone and his animation model was based on the Diaclone. All the Dinobots were released in red. There was never a blue version of the toy in G1.

Bradimus wrote:I know this goes against the usual quarterly seasonal wave releases but maybe the person in charge right now is learning from the lost TR wave 5 and doesn't want that to happen again?

Or am I being too optimistic?

Well the release of waves is about the same seasonally/quarterly as the last several lines. Distribution is still a problem, but its hard to point at whos to blame. A new line does well, its just that will all of wave 1 sell out, and then a bunch more get ordered before wave 2, and that's where we start to see problems, or will the selling/saturation match the release of new product as intended?

To be fair, it was only the deluxes in wave 5 that were "lost", and that was basically only the majority of the US (My area included), but some sparse areas did get them, as well as Canada and some international markets. Not sure why wave 5 TR deluxes were never offered on HTS or TRU (especially with Windblade, Hasbro's *fanmade* meal ticket they want to shove-down-your-throat as much as possible), but yeah, I'm not sure what the solution is for poor distribution, but staying on top of the line from day 1, lets just all keep our eyes on what's selling, what's not, and what stores are seemingly ordering too much of.

I just know that TR deluxe wave 4 repack killed sales in my area at most stores. If they weren't moving for the holidays, you know there's a problem. Much of it has been clearanced out, but at least a couple stores in my area still have a bunch, as well as wave 5 repack Voyagers.

Bradimus wrote:Do we know when wave 3 is scheduled for release?

Everything is here

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... nts/39844/

The line will run for more than just this year.

william-james88 wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Do we know when wave 3 is scheduled for release?

Everything is here

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... nts/39844/

The line will run for more than just this year.

Thanks for that list as always.

What I don't get is why packs mixes the deluxes in most waives. I understand they don't want homogeneous waves of 4 of the same type of robot but with a little planning and advertising on the boxes and web they could be very successful doing something like this:

My version of Wave 1:

Voyager

Grimlock

Starscream

Include advertising on the voyager boxes for Abominus so parents can give their kids a choice, buy Dinobots now or wait until wave 2 in the spring for the Terrorcons.

Deluxe

All 4 Deluxe Dinobots

Dinobot Slug [Slag]

Dinobot Sludge

Dinobot Snarl

Dinobot Swoop

Legends

Dinobot Slash

Skrapnel

Beachcomber

Windcharger

Leader

Optimus Prime

Rodimus Prime

Prime Masters

Liege Maximo with Skullgrin Decoy Armor

Micronus Prime with Cloudburst Decoy Armor

Vector Prime with Metalhawk Decoy Armor

Now I fully understand the argument against releasing a homogeneous combiner in two consecutive waves but looking at the variety of other types of vehicles in the overall line and the Prime Masters I think parents are smart enough to understand Volcanicus is wave 1 and Abominus is wave 2 so if they can only afford one for the year they can make the decision for or with their kids.

That brings ups to my version of Wave 2:

Voyager

Terrorcon Hun-Gurr

Elita-1

Again, advertise the combined modes (especially Abominus) and maybe show off some limbs from wave 3 and maybe wave 4 for Elita-1 to use.

Deluxe

All 4 Deluxe Terrorcons

Terrorcon Rippersnapper

Terrorcon Blot

Terrorcon Cutthroat

Sinnertwin

Legends

Battleslash

Roadtrap

Tailgate

Leader

Rodimus Unicronus

Optimus Prime (I guess)

Prime Masters

Alchemist Prime with Submarauder Decoy Armor

Alpha Trion with Landmine Decoy Aromor

Again, another wave with an entire combiner well advertised in advance so kids and parents can choose or even get both with lots of bargaining and arrangement of wishlists for family to see before birthdays.

The last wave I can take a shot at is Wave 3:

Voyager

Inferno

Grimlock (I guess)

Advertise combiners with limbs from this wave and the next (with coming this fall for the wave 4 limbs). A big problem with is keeping some things secret too long as we get deeper into the line like they did with Titans Return.

Deluxe

Autobot Jazz

Dreadwind

Blackwing

Moonracer

Legends

Cindersaur

Outback

Leader

Optimal Optimus

Rodimus Prime (I guess)

Prime Masters

Quintus Prime with Bludgeon Decoy Armor

Megatronus with Bomb-Burst Decoy Armor

Solus Prime with Octopunch Decoy Armor

Reorganizing makes wave 3 the first to have different options for deluxe class toys with cars and jets. But I think completing the first two major combiners one wave at a time would work better for everyone. Kids love dinosaurs and I think they love monsters, too. If anything it's the vehicles that might get hurt. I'd look at repackaging the figures that make up Volcanicus and Abominus for the holiday season. As for other options, leader and legends class figures provide different options as do the Prime Masters themselves, with the decoy armors having different looks and transforming into different guns and melee weapons. The variety is already built in, it's the distribution where the real problems seem lie.

But this is all just one fan/collector's opinion. Feel free to agree, disagree, or rip apart my waves with better logic. I'm curious what others think about all of this and I have clearly been inspired by other posters in this thread regarding distribution and what we learned from Combiner Wars to share my thoughts with you in detail.

Well, the good news is that, in Japan, the core POTP Dinobots are being released together in wave 2, I believe (with Slash being sold in wave 1 prior).

That's something, at least.

Bradimus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Do we know when wave 3 is scheduled for release?

Everything is here

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... nts/39844/

The line will run for more than just this year.

Thanks for that list as always.

What I don't get is why packs mixes the deluxes in most waives. I understand they don't want homogeneous waves of 4 of the same type of robot but with a little planning and advertising on the boxes and web they could be very successful doing something like this:

My version of Wave 1:

Voyager

Grimlock

Starscream

Include advertising on the voyager boxes for Abominus so parents can give their kids a choice, buy Dinobots now or wait until wave 2 in the spring for the Terrorcons.

Deluxe

All 4 Deluxe Dinobots

Dinobot Slug [Slag]

Dinobot Sludge

Dinobot Snarl

Dinobot Swoop

Legends

Dinobot Slash

Skrapnel

Beachcomber

Windcharger

Leader

Optimus Prime

Rodimus Prime

Prime Masters

Liege Maximo with Skullgrin Decoy Armor

Micronus Prime with Cloudburst Decoy Armor

Vector Prime with Metalhawk Decoy Armor

Now I fully understand the argument against releasing a homogeneous combiner in two consecutive waves but looking at the variety of other types of vehicles in the overall line and the Prime Masters I think parents are smart enough to understand Volcanicus is wave 1 and Abominus is wave 2 so if they can only afford one for the year they can make the decision for or with their kids.

That brings ups to my version of Wave 2:

Voyager

Terrorcon Hun-Gurr

Elita-1

Again, advertise the combined modes (especially Abominus) and maybe show off some limbs from wave 3 and maybe wave 4 for Elita-1 to use.

Deluxe

All 4 Deluxe Terrorcons

Terrorcon Rippersnapper

Terrorcon Blot

Terrorcon Cutthroat

Sinnertwin

Legends

Battleslash

Roadtrap

Tailgate

Leader

Rodimus Unicronus

Optimus Prime (I guess)

Prime Masters

Alchemist Prime with Submarauder Decoy Armor

Alpha Trion with Landmine Decoy Aromor

Again, another wave with an entire combiner well advertised in advance so kids and parents can choose or even get both with lots of bargaining and arrangement of wishlists for family to see before birthdays.

The last wave I can take a shot at is Wave 3:

Voyager

Inferno

Grimlock (I guess)

Advertise combiners with limbs from this wave and the next (with coming this fall for the wave 4 limbs). A big problem with is keeping some things secret too long as we get deeper into the line like they did with Titans Return.

Deluxe

Autobot Jazz

Dreadwind

Blackwing

Moonracer

Legends

Cindersaur

Outback

Leader

Optimal Optimus

Rodimus Prime (I guess)

Prime Masters

Quintus Prime with Bludgeon Decoy Armor

Megatronus with Bomb-Burst Decoy Armor

Solus Prime with Octopunch Decoy Armor

Reorganizing makes wave 3 the first to have different options for deluxe class toys with cars and jets. But I think completing the first two major combiners one wave at a time would work better for everyone. Kids love dinosaurs and I think they love monsters, too. If anything it's the vehicles that might get hurt. I'd look at repackaging the figures that make up Volcanicus and Abominus for the holiday season. As for other options, leader and legends class figures provide different options as do the Prime Masters themselves, with the decoy armors having different looks and transforming into different guns and melee weapons. The variety is already built in, it's the distribution where the real problems seem lie.

But this is all just one fan/collector's opinion. Feel free to agree, disagree, or rip apart my waves with better logic. I'm curious what others think about all of this and I have clearly been inspired by other posters in this thread regarding distribution and what we learned from Combiner Wars to share my thoughts with you in detail.

And here i'm expecting there will be some changes on the 3rd wave, i either expect Shockwave as a voyager or some new molds (Flywheels etc.) i just hope.

bodrock wrote:OMG, had no idea the toy pics were out there! Thank you, Emerje.

She's a day-one purchase for me.

i can't wait for Elita-1

Albatross250 wrote:

bodrock wrote:OMG, had no idea the toy pics were out there! Thank you, Emerje.

She's a day-one purchase for me.

i can't wait for Elita-1

Yes! And then I'll have two incarnations of her...but a lot more Primes for her to hangout with!

Are there any plans for a complete Nightbeat release in this line? I know he was released in Generations, but he wasn't a headmaster, and he got a release in Titans Return, but it was just the head. He's one of my favorite characters from the G1 comics, I would like an accurate version. I don't have high hopes. I may have to just hunt down an original.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Are there any plans for a complete Nightbeat release in this line?

Hasbro confirmed the headmaster gimmick wont be revisited in this line. And there is currently no indication of getting a nightbeat in POTP.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Are there any plans for a complete Nightbeat release in this line?

Hasbro confirmed the headmaster gimmick wont be revisited in this line. And there is currently no indication of getting a nightbeat in POTP.

Thanks.

Never say never, though. I think it would be silly to not repaint existing molds to make easy money.

Albatross250 wrote:And here i'm expecting there will be some changes on the 3rd wave, i either expect Shockwave as a voyager or some new molds (Flywheels etc.) i just hope.

Sorry, I could only work with what we know is coming out. As far as I know Shockwave and Flywheels are wishful thinking. Again, plays things too close to the vest in the middle of the line making it impossible to plan out purchases. It's a bad business model as it hurts everyone on a budget.

I suspect we will see flywheels as you can't have one duocon without the other. Though a thought occurs, while I don't think it would happen in this line but I wonder the possibility that they may make a version of the multiforce team from Victory. I wouldn't expect them to form land cross but it would be awesome if they did.

However, we've not had all the Headmaster characters released fully yet. That could mean that both Duocons may not get released either.

primalxconvoy wrote:However, we've not had all the Headmaster characters released fully yet. That could mean that both Duocons may not get released either.

Which headmasters are missing beside scorpoknok? All the main ones were done I think

ZeroWolf wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:However, we've not had all the Headmaster characters released fully yet. That could mean that both Duocons may not get released either.

Which headmasters are missing beside scorpoknok? All the main ones were done I think

Headmaster Juniors, Apeface, Snapdragon.

primalxconvoy wrote::oops:

ZeroWolf wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:However, we've not had all the Headmaster characters released fully yet. That could mean that both Duocons may not get released either.

Which headmasters are missing beside scorpoknok? All the main ones were done I think

Headmaster Juniors, Apeface, Snapdragon.

The Autobot Targetmasters, Punch/Counterpunch