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MagicDeath wrote:Why does this retool debate keep popping up? We all agree on the facts, it’s just what you want to call a retool, which really should be ‘to each his own’.

Anyone mind telling me where I’ve seen Inferno’s packaging art chestplate before? Is it MtMtE Grapple?

Because pointlessly arguing things and wasting your time is what fans do. Now allow me to waste my time to pointlessly lecture people about pointlessly arguing things!

I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

It should be an even split with 2 of Nova/Firestar(who looks stuppid to me ), 2 of Darkwing, 2 of Slug, and 2 of Jazz per case

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

IIRC, Firestar, Blackwing, Slag/Slug and Rippersnapper.

AFTRHR wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

IIRC, Firestar, Blackwing, Slag/Slug and Rippersnapper.

You're right on that. My bad

Hotconvoy wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

It should be an even split with 2 of Nova/Firestar(who looks stuppid to me ), 2 of Darkwing, 2 of Slug, and 2 of Jazz per case

Jazz is in Wave 3, Wave 4 gets Rippersnapper instead.

AFTRHR wrote:

Hotconvoy wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:I am too tired to look this up.....Firestar is the lone new Deluxe figure in Wave 4.....do we know who she's packed with?

It should be an even split with 2 of Nova/Firestar(who looks stuppid to me ), 2 of Darkwing, 2 of Slug, and 2 of Jazz per case

Jazz is in Wave 3, Wave 4 gets Rippersnapper instead.

Thanks all! I do wonder if Moonracer will get a repack in Wave 3. She's only one a case in Wave 2, and that makes me worried she'll be vanishingly scarce.

It's the same with swoop, he's only in wave 1 (actually is dreadwind getting a repack? Seems odd that blackwing is without his partner)

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I agree that Silverbolt's engineering was used as a starting point, that's all there is really, with all parts being new designs, but that remains a sticking point for most it seems. A lot of figures have taken cues or even exact engineering from other releases, Hun-Gurrr falls well within that group. I will freely admit that had he a good amount of part designs in common with Silverbolt, he'd have been bumped up to part sharing, among the likes of Blurr & Chromedome, or Slag & Sludge

I think the reason its a sticking point is because these are Transformers toys and the technoloical aspect of the transformation is what seperates these toys from all other action figures. So to have that core aspect of a new toy based directly off of a toy that we have already seen a lot of can become quite a blow. The G1 toys for Scatershot, Silverbolt and Hun Gurrr are all completely unique from one another so to have all three share the same engineering 30 years later is a bit of a step back. Espcially with Hun Gurr bein released so much later. The puzzle aspect is an important one and its always more fun to get some surprises rather than to already know exactly how a certain mode will be achieved. I am not a fan of the POTP Leader Prime or Voyager Starscream but I did very much enjoy the transformation aspect of both (even though some results themselves were lacking).

Thats why it may be seen as a bigger offense than simply giving a toy the same knee/hand/hip/gun another already had. If the transformation aspect is still unique regardless of the shared part, I dont think it matters much.

Thats what i see.

Bummed that the Inferno paint scheme makes fudging him as a G2 Hot Spot a little more difficult. Still holding out a shred of hope for a legit box set.

As for the Dinobot box set, I'm praying it's G2. I'd buy that in a heartbeat to go with Superion, Bruticus & Menasor. I hope they follow through for us completionists out here.

Why you gotta rain on my G2 parade, Sabrblade??

Wow a lot happened this weekend. just weighing in....I really hope that Volcanicus listing on ToyWiz is just a bundle. As someone who so desperately wanted a box set originally, and waited patiently for to announce their plans, and once disappointment set it, decided to just purchase the standard releases, this would definitely be a slap in the face.

Also I'm still holding out hope (yeah disappointment I know...), for some new deluxe limbs to complete the Voyagers we have now. As of now, Both Starscream & Elita-1 will be armless, and Inferno will not only be armless, but basically a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.

C'mon Hasbro...don't leave our combiners incomplete...

I mean I feel the case on more to wave 4 cannot be totally closed. There should be 3 or 4 more Prime Masters revealed. That should not count out the possibility of a couple more new deluxes hopefully as well. Hasbro did say that PotP would end in 2018, but they also said that there would be a few more surprises in the line (Assuming more than just May Mayhems Blastoff and Repugnus)...

Still no signs of any wave 2 anything in my area past the quick flash we got a couple weeks back. The walmarts in my area are clearancing the heck out of TLK, which is good (deluxes are now $7.00). Get that stuff off the shelves.

Agreed, OSupreme, I can't imagine leaving us all hanging with 2/3 of a Seeker combiner and a Femmebot combiner... and just a torso for Inferno... (Though I suppose you could infer that Jazz was intended for him.) I'd love a Sideswipe and a Silver/black Bluestreak and a slightly different (maybe G2) deco Ratchet to work on rounding out that combiner.

As for the two former, we all know the unused femmebots. And for Starscream… either Buster & Hydra or Thundercracker & Skywarp would be primo.

From there, onward to Dinoking, Liokaiser (Takara style), and Monstructor!

I'd be perfectly ok with putting Jazz with Elita-1's team if they decided to skip out on the Inferno Voyager

Not me man!!! It's all girl team... or NUTHIN'!!

Hydra and buster? I think you'll be waiting a long long time for that my friend

o.supreme wrote:C'mon Hasbro...don't leave our combiners incomplete...
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But didn't they leave us with incomplete combiners in the CW mainline too?

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:C'mon Hasbro...don't leave our combiners incomplete...
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But didn't they leave us with incomplete combiners in the CW mainline too?

Just the Torsos Ultra Prime, Galvatronus and Betatron, but the main thing with them was that dedicated limbs was never started with them. Once they're started, they have to be finished, no exceptions.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:C'mon Hasbro...don't leave our combiners incomplete...
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But didn't they leave us with incomplete combiners in the CW mainline too?

If you only count the releases yes. Optimus Prime & Cyclonus did not have dedicated teams per say. But combining with UW, club, & con exclusives, it all worked out perfectly.

For Hydra and Buster, I'd be wagering that those would be some sort of Takara store exclusive or such... not for main line.

And as for 'incomplete' gestalts, you can see in the past that they have at least had a game plan. Some torsos were clearly meant as extras (like I'm expecting for Inferno) while others were well-planned-out full figures, like I'm hoping for the femmebots. That's such a clear theme of girls in pastel colors... I can't imagine them not finishing that out eventually.

I think some of these combiners may end up getting filled in the next few lines (none of the needed ladies have earth alt modes after all)