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william-james88 wrote:The Rhino and Bull have terrible alt modes. Look way worse than the G1 version, they just look like boxes.

It's like this:



Only this time it isn't charming and I'm not laughing

Deadput wrote:

Lucky Logician wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Please tell me someone will sell that Onyx alone...

I'm hoping that Hasbro will be selling Onyx separately somehow. This is an expensive set to buy just to complete the Prime Master set.

I can guarantee one hundred percent they will not sell Onyx by himself, it's like one of those 300 dollar lego sets that has a really cool exclusive figure.

Ohhhhhh i hate those sooooooo much!

Hotconvoy wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Lucky Logician wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Please tell me someone will sell that Onyx alone...

I'm hoping that Hasbro will be selling Onyx separately somehow. This is an expensive set to buy just to complete the Prime Master set.

I can guarantee one hundred percent they will not sell Onyx by himself, it's like one of those 300 dollar lego sets that has a really cool exclusive figure.

Ohhhhhh i hate those sooooooo much!

It's a special edition version, onyx will be getting a retail release, it'll just have different colors

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Hotconvoy wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Lucky Logician wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Please tell me someone will sell that Onyx alone...

I'm hoping that Hasbro will be selling Onyx separately somehow. This is an expensive set to buy just to complete the Prime Master set.

I can guarantee one hundred percent they will not sell Onyx by himself, it's like one of those 300 dollar lego sets that has a really cool exclusive figure.

Ohhhhhh i hate those sooooooo much!

It's a special edition version, onyx will be getting a retail release, it'll just have different colors

Yep, if it was our only chance at the guy they would be calling him an exclusive instead of a special edition the same way they're calling the clear Megatronus that comes with Blastoff a special edition.

Single Megatronus should look like this:

The core should be orange without the yellow paint and with a pink-ish symbol and no black outline. The bot mode should have black arms like in the art and like how all Prime Masters' arms match their upper legs.

Doesn't mean there'll be a wave 4 of Prime Masters in PotP, they could be held over to wave 1 of War for Cybertron, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen lines mix.

Emerje

Hellscream9999 wrote:It's a special edition version, onyx will be getting a retail release, it'll just have different colors

And this info comes from where?

Deadput wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:It's a special edition version, onyx will be getting a retail release, it'll just have different colors

And this info comes from where?

See my post above, plus the Predaking box says it's a special edition right on it. The box also refers to it as the Onyx Matrix on the back.

Emerje

Normally, I'd agree but I half suspect TRU's bankruptcy led to Power of the Primes getting scuttled two waves ahead of plans. Maybe I'm wrong. My sense is that Hasbro had one set of plans early in 2017. By 2nd quarter 2017, I think they scrapped a subscription service to feed TRU exclusives like Arcee and Grotusque. And by late 2017, they realized they were going to take a big hit and probably pushed up IDW's reboot and PotP's conclusion to try to get around to a new entry point for adult collectors.

RodimusRex wrote:Normally, I'd agree but I half suspect TRU's bankruptcy led to Power of the Primes getting scuttled two waves ahead of plans. Maybe I'm wrong. My sense is that Hasbro had one set of plans early in 2017. By 2nd quarter 2017, I think they scrapped a subscription service to feed TRU exclusives like Arcee and Grotusque. And by late 2017, they realized they were going to take a big hit and probably pushed up IDW's reboot and PotP's conclusion to try to get around to a new entry point for adult collectors.

Nah man, it's Star Wars.

Hotconvoy wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Lucky Logician wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Please tell me someone will sell that Onyx alone...

I'm hoping that Hasbro will be selling Onyx separately somehow. This is an expensive set to buy just to complete the Prime Master set.

I can guarantee one hundred percent they will not sell Onyx by himself, it's like one of those 300 dollar lego sets that has a really cool exclusive figure.

Ohhhhhh i hate those sooooooo much!

For some reason, I'm more concerned with getting a Waverider Prime Master. The completest in me will go crazy if I can't at least get all the original wave 1 Pretenders (I know wave 2 isn't happening at all)

so apparently those combiner feet works as boombox also huh, playing loud, snazzy music (like "the eye of the tiger") while blowing up autobots, to light things up.

Emerje wrote:See my post above, plus the Predaking box says it's a special edition right on it. The box also refers to it as the Onyx Matrix on the back.

Emerje

Your post wasn't around at the time I was making the comment.

Still I bet that it's going to be sold as an exclusive with like Wreck Gar or Nemesis.

RodimusRex wrote:Normally, I'd agree but I half suspect TRU's bankruptcy led to Power of the Primes getting scuttled two waves ahead of plans. Maybe I'm wrong. My sense is that Hasbro had one set of plans early in 2017. By 2nd quarter 2017, I think they scrapped a subscription service to feed TRU exclusives like Arcee and Grotusque. And by late 2017, they realized they were going to take a big hit and probably pushed up IDW's reboot and PotP's conclusion to try to get around to a new entry point for adult collectors.

There's a few issues with this theory.

1) Hasbro has to plan this stuff out in advance, not just the ending of PotP, but also the start of the War for Cybertron trilogy. We didn't know just how bad things were for TRU until this year, there just isn't that kind of time to change plans so rapidly. They were caught off guard by TRU, otherwise they wouldn't have offered them Studio Series Thundercracker.

2) There hasn't been any indication of a subscription service, you're thinking of the club that may or may not have been planned based on the code names for Arcee and Grotusque. That could have just been misdirection on Hasbro's part, we don't know. Those exclusives were timed with HasCon and NYCC, not with anything specific to TRU.

3) We've only had 3 waves of Prime Masters announced, but 4 waves of Deluxe. Even if the line was cut short, we'd still have Prime Masters wave 4. At the same time PotP Deluxe wave 4 follows the same trend as Titans Return Deluxe wave 6 which only had one new figure. If the line was cut short they probably would have had more new figures in wave 4.

It's a good theory, but it doesn't really add up.

Emerje

Deadput wrote:

Emerje wrote:See my post above, plus the Predaking box says it's a special edition right on it. The box also refers to it as the Onyx Matrix on the back.

Emerje

Your post wasn't around at the time I was making the comment.

Still I bet that it's going to be sold as an exclusive with like Wreck Gar or Nemesis.

Oh, I know, I just wanted to make sure you saw it. Sometimes when I make a post I don't realize someone slipped a post in above mine.

Wreck-gar will probably also come with a repaint like Blastoff, it's done to tie them into Power of the Primes. Nemesis Prime is already part of PotP so he probably wont come with one. Predaking comes with Onyx Prime because of narrative apparently since he himself isn't an exclusive figure, unlike the other three.

Emerje

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Preadaking and the Predacons just keep looking better and better in these new promotional picks. I'm really hyped to pick this set up later this year. I honestly don't understand why some people are so unhappy with this.

Maybe because everything about them looks terrible... From their hideously, over-blocky beast modes, to their hampered bot modes, all the way to the anorexic combined mode (which somehow manages to look even worse now in that three-quarter view)

Razorclaw shoulda been a chunky ultra/leader class figure

Completely agree wih this - 4/5 of the animal modes look awful and making Razorclaw bigger wouldve enabled spme mass to shift from the other 4 to him, also probably solving the torso issue for Predaking.

Im no toy designer, but i am baffled by this decision for what will inevitably be such a high end price tag. Devastators gammy foot was similarly perplexing, but Predakings issue cant be as easily fixed by 3rd party add ons

Deadput wrote:

william-james88 wrote:The Rhino and Bull have terrible alt modes. Look way worse than the G1 version, they just look like boxes.

I agree these are just bricks in the very definition of that word, why did they not simply go with the CW system and let a proper titan be this year's titan?

In my opinion Divebomb is the only individual of the Predacon set that looks good. (Both bot and alt mode categories)

I agree the alt modes don't sit well with me either.

They should've made these CW scale and done Scorponok or Omega Supreme.

Emerje wrote:1) Hasbro has to plan this stuff out in advance, not just the ending of PotP, but also the start of the War for Cybertron trilogy. We didn't know just how bad things were for TRU until this year, there just isn't that kind of time to change plans so rapidly. They were caught off guard by TRU, otherwise they wouldn't have offered them Studio Series Thundercracker.

This comment had me thinking. Has anyone who has found Studio Series Thundercracker found any other Studio Series at TRU? When I found mine, they only had Thundercracker, not any of the others. I wonder if Hasbro found out about TRU closing early enough in the distribution to divert all the non exclusive Studio Series toys to other stores. For PotP, I haven't seen anything past wave 1 at any of the TRU's near me, so I'm thinking Hasbro must have stopped all new shipments about a month or 2 ago, except for the exclusive.

Emerje wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Emerje wrote:See my post above, plus the Predaking box says it's a special edition right on it. The box also refers to it as the Onyx Matrix on the back.

Emerje

Your post wasn't around at the time I was making the comment.

Still I bet that it's going to be sold as an exclusive with like Wreck Gar or Nemesis.

Oh, I know, I just wanted to make sure you saw it. Sometimes when I make a post I don't realize someone slipped a post in above mine.

Wreck-gar will probably also come with a repaint like Blastoff, it's done to tie them into Power of the Primes. Nemesis Prime is already part of PotP so he probably wont come with one. Predaking comes with Onyx Prime because of narrative apparently since he himself isn't an exclusive figure, unlike the other three.

Emerje

Y'know, Shapeways is already drenched in custom Titan Master faces. If this doesn't happen, think anyone might make a symbol piece we can screw onto the back of a Sawback?

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Emerje wrote:1) Hasbro has to plan this stuff out in advance, not just the ending of PotP, but also the start of the War for Cybertron trilogy. We didn't know just how bad things were for TRU until this year, there just isn't that kind of time to change plans so rapidly. They were caught off guard by TRU, otherwise they wouldn't have offered them Studio Series Thundercracker.

This comment had me thinking. Has anyone who has found Studio Series Thundercracker found any other Studio Series at TRU? When I found mine, they only had Thundercracker, not any of the others. I wonder if Hasbro found out about TRU closing early enough in the distribution to divert all the non exclusive Studio Series toys to other stores. For PotP, I haven't seen anything past wave 1 at any of the TRU's near me, so I'm thinking Hasbro must have stopped all new shipments about a month or 2 ago, except for the exclusive.

That's very possible. Studio Series is a street dated toy line, something TRU had always stuck to (aside from some rogue stores where people reported managers overriding the dates in previous lines) so Hasbro should have had time to cancel the shipment or get them back. They would have been contractually obligated to send them Thundercracker, even if the stores had already closed, it would have been up to TRU to decide to send them back or try to sell them and they chose to sell them. I wish they would have sent them back, they probably would have ended up on HTS.

Emerje

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Preadaking and the Predacons just keep looking better and better in these new promotional picks. I'm really hyped to pick this set up later this year. I honestly don't understand why some people are so unhappy with this.

Maybe because everything about them looks terrible... From their hideously, over-blocky beast modes, to their hampered bot modes, all the way to the anorexic combined mode (which somehow manages to look even worse now in that three-quarter view)

Razorclaw shoulda been a chunky ultra/leader class figure

There's nothing wrong with these, they look great. People are too f-in picky. You all expect 3rd party looks for Hasbro pricing.

Finally, an up close shot of Onyx:



... and he's not based on a standard Pretender, may very well an original animalistic design. Lovely, that may mean he doesn't have a Shell of his own.

I'm not sure how you can tell just by looking at the PM itself what Pretender shell it could go with. Even with the ones I have, I would not have the mind to pair them up automatically with the shells the came with. I'm currently of the opinion that it will be exclusively sold with Predaking, but at the same time, I'd love to see a complete set of 12 (or 13...) PM's sold with Pretender Shells individually...

People have been debating around his swords, did anyone else notice that the red bladed one is clearly the dark version of the Star Saber from Armada that he wielded in the episode of armada he was in.

Galactic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Preadaking and the Predacons just keep looking better and better in these new promotional picks. I'm really hyped to pick this set up later this year. I honestly don't understand why some people are so unhappy with this.

Maybe because everything about them looks terrible... From their hideously, over-blocky beast modes, to their hampered bot modes, all the way to the anorexic combined mode (which somehow manages to look even worse now in that three-quarter view)

Razorclaw shoulda been a chunky ultra/leader class figure

There's nothing wrong with these, they look great. People are too f-in picky. You all expect 3rd party looks for Hasbro pricing.

Whilst the word "everything" was definitely an exaggeration, I really do not think it is unreasonable to expect alt modes that dont look like boxes.

Re the comment on prices - firstly if razorclaw were bigger personally i would be prepared to pay more, and i presume anyone else who feels the same on RC would too. Secondly these figures do already cost a lot. I am in the UK so seem to pay 1:1 with dollar prices for some reason, but these a really not insignifficant outlays.

Finally: target market. Its a G1 evolution, the target market is mostly now middle aged people who hopefully have the disposable income to afford sometjing that looks fantastic however it is displayed, as opposed to my current feelings that i will be having them mostly only in Predaking mode and sometimes in bot mode, but likely extreemely rarely in alt mode because of the boxiness.. which i think is a real shame.

This isnt picky-ness, this is dissapointment that the opportunity was there to do more, and they have chosen to do less.

Emerje wrote:That's very possible. Studio Series is a street dated toy line, something TRU had always stuck to (aside from some rogue stores where people reported managers overriding the dates in previous lines) so Hasbro should have had time to cancel the shipment or get them back. They would have been contractually obligated to send them Thundercracker, even if the stores had already closed, it would have been up to TRU to decide to send them back or try to sell them and they chose to sell them. I wish they would have sent them back, they probably would have ended up on HTS.

Emerje

I know you mentioned not having a TRU near you to even try to find Thundercracker. If you are interested in the figure (I like it even better than Nitro), I can see if I can snag one from the store where I got mine and ship it your way. Not looking for a commission or profit or anything, just send me a PM if interested. Mine was just under $30 after taxes, so you'd be looking at $30 plus whatever shipping would be from the Chicago area.

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Galactic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Preadaking and the Predacons just keep looking better and better in these new promotional picks. I'm really hyped to pick this set up later this year. I honestly don't understand why some people are so unhappy with this.

Maybe because everything about them looks terrible... From their hideously, over-blocky beast modes, to their hampered bot modes, all the way to the anorexic combined mode (which somehow manages to look even worse now in that three-quarter view)

Razorclaw shoulda been a chunky ultra/leader class figure

There's nothing wrong with these, they look great. People are too f-in picky. You all expect 3rd party looks for Hasbro pricing.

All of that, plus nostalgia goggles. Seriously, take a look at the side-by-side comparisons shots of the G1 Predacons and Predaking compared with this modern redo. Anyone pretending the originals were somehow less blocky, better proportioned, or better sculpted, is lying to themselves because reality doesn't stack up to their unreasonable expectations. The ONLY thing the G1 figures were compared to these new figures is better armed.