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Can we all agree that Tf Prime has been one hell of a ride? Starscream shined in last episode, making fun of Optimus's voice etc. And now this!
I'm loving the show. Glad the humans are on the sidelines at the moment.

budmaloney wrote:Can we all agree that Tf Prime has been one hell of a ride?

Recently, yes.

Counting season 1, no.

Sabrblade wrote:

budmaloney wrote:Can we all agree that Tf Prime has been one hell of a ride?

Recently, yes.

Counting season 1, no.

With the exception of Darkness Rising, I hope... Cliffjumper killed, zombies robots arise...

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

budmaloney wrote:Can we all agree that Tf Prime has been one hell of a ride?

Recently, yes.

Counting season 1, no.

With the exception of Darkness Rising, I hope... Cliffjumper killed, zombies robots arise...

Cliff's death was a surprising and interesting way to begin the show. After that, the first season dragged it's ass.

PrymeStriker wrote:Cliff's death was a surprising and interesting way to begin the show.

not to mention "unwanted".

I mean, who here really wanted them to kill off (within the first five minutes, even) the first G1-homaged Cliffjumper we had in years that was his own body type instead of another Bumblebee redeco/remold, and also happened to be voiced by Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson (in a show where big names like Ernie Hudson and Tony Todd are series regulars)?

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:Cliff's death was a surprising and interesting way to begin the show.

not to mention "unwanted".

I mean, who here really wanted them to kill off (within the first five minutes, even) the first G1-homaged Cliffjumper we had in years that was his own body type instead of another Bumblebee redeco/remold, and also happened to be voiced by Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson (in a show where big names like Ernie Hudson and Tony Todd are series regulars)?

I would've been fine with his eventual death, just not so early in the game. If his voice actor was too expensive, you could have used Billy Brown instead. Not like they had a problem doing that.

Then again, his death at the very beginning set the tone for the entire series. Nobody is safe from death, they said (although they proved their wussies by letting Bulkhead survive, let-alone quickly heal).

PrymeStriker wrote:Then again, his death at the very beginning set the tone for the entire series.

A tone I still dispise to this day. Being dark for sheer sake of being dark doesn't make anything great. It makes it dreary.

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:Then again, his death at the very beginning set the tone for the entire series.

A tone I still dispise to this day. Being dark for sheer sake of being dark doesn't make anything great. It makes it dreary.

Yea, but its not being dark, it's being more realistic given the premise. A war between 2 factions NEEDS to have deaths to allow the story to hold some weight. Sure, they could have killed him off later, and even killed off others (as long as there ARE deaths), but atleast it had some intensity right at the start. The initial death was, as mentioned, proof that anything could happen.

MINDVVIPE wrote:as mentioned, proof that anything could happen.

They should have killed Bulkhead when they had the chance. That was proof they're wusses about killing main characters.

PrymeStriker wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:as mentioned, proof that anything could happen.

They should have killed Bulkhead when they had the chance. That was proof they're wusses about killing main characters.

Agreed, Bulkhead over Breakdown anyday.

I think they are slowying phasing out the children in these episodes they have been seen or used very little or hardly at all in season 2.

Jack with his issues, and Raf being relocated to a new location mainly from the battle with Silas/Breakdown.

Starscream is better in this version of Transformers than in any previous Transformers he has really steped up his game from his previous versions.

But to me Prime seems to be focusing more on the Bots less on the humans and will eventially phase them out altogether.

Beast Hunters to me could either be off worlds other than earth or on Earth unknown no details are known on Hunters other than Possible Dinobots.

More of Cybertron in Action more than a glimpse a friggin battle on Cybertron this will be awesome.

The question remains how diffrent will the Omega Lock be from the Cybertron Version I say it will be a complete 180 everything has a new look and a new use only the namesakes are the same even the Starsaber is diffrent from the Armada Starsaber.

I love this it uses things from the past but they are nothing like the past also new ideas such as Beast Hunters, Iacon Relics and the various colors of Energon. I wonder if there will be Orange Energon.

Being G1 since day 1 since 1984 this is by far the best I cant wait to see Season 2 close out and how it connects to S3 Beast Hunters.

I am already getting S2 to go with S1 on my DVDs but S2 dosent hit until November watch it in 1080p uninterupted no commercials.

Looking forward to Patch to see how Starsceam schemes and plots he is just biding his time to hatch his scheme only using Megatron for his resources. Dreadwing will be the wildcard about what he will do.

I also see no kids in the newer episode other than when they leave for Cybertron possible to say good bye to them.

Bring it on I cant wait Prime rules and make the Bayformers look like a weak chicken in comparison.

It is bad that a 22 minute cartoon can do more than a big budget Movie couldnt do.

But Josh & Tania (VAs for Jack and Miko) said they were recording for Season 3. New characters? Or perhaps the humans will hang with a few bots on Earth while the rest are off world.

PrymeStriker wrote:But Josh & Tania (VAs for Jack and Miko) said they were recording for Season 3. New characters? Or perhaps the humans will hang with a few bots on Earth while the rest are off world.

This is kinda what gets me too ... I'm really curious what's going on with the kids and what this all means for their future going into BH.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Yea, but its not being dark, it's being more realistic given the premise.

and that's why the show was failing so much as escapist fiction. It doesn't need to be so super realistic that it alienates those who enjoy the fiction as means get away from harshness of reality.

MINDVVIPE wrote:A war between 2 factions NEEDS to have deaths to allow the story to hold some weight. Sure, they could have killed him off later, and even killed off others (as long as there ARE deaths), but atleast it had some intensity right at the start. The initial death was, as mentioned, proof that anything could happen.

Thing is, the beginning needn't be so startling to be good. A humble beginning can go a long long way, whereas this show's beginning was anything but.

PrymeStriker wrote:But Josh & Tania (VAs for Jack and Miko) said they were recording for Season 3. New characters? Or perhaps the humans will hang with a few bots on Earth while the rest are off world.

Same characters. Tania described her current portrayal of Miko (current for her, as in by how far she's gotten in the episode recording sessions) as being so different and serious compared to how she was originally.

Sabrblade wrote:and that's why the show was failing so much as escapist fiction. It doesn't need to be so super realistic that it alienates those who enjoy the fiction as means get away from harshness of reality.

Failing is subjective, for starters, and its hard to say its a failing when the show is still on air pretty much 3 seasons in... It only alienates those who don't like it, and as far as i'm concerned, my harsh reality is boring work, and violent video games, movies, and a bit of the violent toons are a great escape...

Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, the beginning needn't be so startling to be good. A humble beginning can go a long long way, whereas this show's beginning was anything but.

I consider a death to set the mood quite well for a war that has been raging on for too long. Obi Wan dying set the mood pretty well for the rest of the movie, are you going to tell me episode IV wasn't a humble beginning? And I know its a movie compared to a show, but they both are aiming at young and mature audiences. Perhaps that isn't the best example since his death wasn't so graphic, but well, it was clearly meant to appeal to fans that wanted to see something new.. and I haven't seen a death of an Autobot that brutal before.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I consider a death to set the mood quite well for a war that has been raging on for too long.

I don't have an issue with characters dying. It's how their death is handled that matters, and the way they off the much-hyped Cliffjumper like they did felt like a cheap cop-out.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Obi Wan dying set the mood pretty well for the rest of the movie, are you going to tell me episode IV wasn't a humble beginning? And I know its a movie compared to a show, but they both are aiming at young and mature audiences. Perhaps that isn't the best example since his death wasn't so graphic, but well, it was clearly meant to appeal to fans that wanted to see something new.. and I haven't seen a death of an Autobot that brutal before.

Thing is, Obi Wan's death was neither at the beginning nor badly handled. We got to know the guy very well, and the humbleness of the beginning was all with C-3PO and R2D2 up to when they meet Luke. by the time Obi Wan is killed, we're well past the humble beginning.

With Cliffjumper, they built up all this hype to him being this must-see cool character, yet we don't get to see him for more than five minutes before he's completely wasted.

And then when his corpse gets the Terrorcon treatment and keeps getting maimed again and again until he's finally just blown up, it's like they want us to go, "OKAY! WE GET IT! You're not gonna let us enjoy Cliffjumper in this show! STOP HAMMERING THIS INTO OUR US!"

I dont know about the kids and right now I dont really care as I more insterested in the serious isuues the kids/humans have always been a Secondary factor to me.

The reason I loved Beast Wars so much cause less humans more on them which Is what I am loving on Prime Season 2 it focuses more on how they do battle and other issues without worrying about humans or the kids like babysisters.

I dont know about the future right now I am worried about the here & now such as The Omega Lock, Starscreams Plot, Regeneration of Cybertron. and how S2 will connect to Beast Hunters.

Finally the Physical appearance of Alpha Trion and more on Smokescreen these are more pressing matters than worrying about the humans and the kids at the moment.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:I consider a death to set the mood quite well for a war that has been raging on for too long.

I don't have an issue with characters dying. It's how their death is handled that matters, and the way they off the much-hyped Cliffjumper like they did felt like a cheap cop-out.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Obi Wan dying set the mood pretty well for the rest of the movie, are you going to tell me episode IV wasn't a humble beginning? And I know its a movie compared to a show, but they both are aiming at young and mature audiences. Perhaps that isn't the best example since his death wasn't so graphic, but well, it was clearly meant to appeal to fans that wanted to see something new.. and I haven't seen a death of an Autobot that brutal before.

Thing is, Obi Wan's death was neither at the beginning nor badly handled. We got to know the guy very well, and the humbleness of the beginning was all with C-3PO and R2D2 up to when they meet Luke. by the time Obi Wan is killed, we're well past the humble beginning.

With Cliffjumper, they built up all this hype to him being this must-see cool character, yet we don't get to see him for more than five minutes before he's completely wasted.

And then when his corpse gets the Terrorcon treatment and keeps getting maimed again and again until he's finally just blown up, it's like they want us to go, "OKAY! WE GET IT! You're not gonna let us enjoy Cliffjumper in this show! STOP HAMMERING THIS INTO OUR US!"

All that you dislike about the way they handled it is all that I like about it, so I guess we can agree to disagree. I am speaking from a Decepticon POV.
Your right about Obi-Wan though, I just felt it was relevant since I felt I cared more about Obi-Wan than I did Cliffjumper.

Harshness of reality? What reality are you talking about Sabrblade?

So is Raf just out of the picture completely?

Avensis-Mahiya wrote:So is Raf just out of the picture completely?

He's moving.

And he's being recasted, as Andy Pessoa hit puberty and needed to be replaced.

Sabrblade wrote:

Avensis-Mahiya wrote:So is Raf just out of the picture completely?

He's moving.

And he's being recasted, as Andy Pessoa hit puberty and needed to be replaced.

Is he? I would think as the character gets older, so would his voice.

Archanubis wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Avensis-Mahiya wrote:So is Raf just out of the picture completely?

He's moving.

And he's being recasted, as Andy Pessoa hit puberty and needed to be replaced.

Is he? I would think as the character gets older, so would his voice.

Back at last year's NYCC panel, it was said that Raf would be getting recasted because of Andy Pessoa's voice changing.

Raf hasn't aged at the same rate as his voice actor since the episodes are spread out so far so time passes slower in the show than it does in real life.

My guess is that, based on Raf's absence in this recent batch of episodes, they were recasting him at the time at which these episodes were being made, and wrote in the relocation plot point to make up for it. Though, that still leaves Jack and Miko unaccounted for.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, that still leaves Jack and Miko unaccounted for.

Miko is definately a mystery. Jack, on the other hand, was probably grounded for his actions in "Legacy." I can't see Arcee keeping that fact from June.

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HITFIX wrote:Starscream proposes a truce with fully-recovered Decepticon leader Megatron, but his new righthand man Dreadwing threatens to stand in the way of the alliance, even going so far as to coax Megatron into subjecting Starscream to some sort of mind probe to see what he's really planning.