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Sabrblade wrote:Though, we can pretty much assume that the Autobots lose this season.

Again.

While they "won" by defeating Unicron, they "lost" Optimus in the Season 1 finale, and the beginning of Season 2 included "the Autobots trying to get out of the tight situation they were caught in."

Sound familiar?

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, we can pretty much assume that the Autobots lose this season.

Again.

While they "won" by defeating Unicron, they "lost" Optimus in the Season 1 finale, and the beginning of Season 2 included "the Autobots trying to get out of the tight situation they were caught in."

Sound familiar?

They didn't lose in season 1. Defeating Unicron was what they set out to do. The Orion Pax ordeal just made it a bittersweet victory.

This, though, seems more like they just flat out lose.

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, we can pretty much assume that the Autobots lose this season.

Again.

While they "won" by defeating Unicron, they "lost" Optimus in the Season 1 finale, and the beginning of Season 2 included "the Autobots trying to get out of the tight situation they were caught in."

Sound familiar?

They didn't lose in season 1.

Exactly. They lost Optimus, I said.

The "Again" part was in relation to the Orion Pax ordeal, not Unicron. They will more than likely flat out lose this time around, however. As you just stated.

Let's face it the Autobots have been losing for a long time. What we are seeing in this show is really thier last gasp efforts at keeping the Autobot race alive. Sure there may be other Autobot enclaves out there, even organized resistance to the Decepticons, but what good will it do them if Optimus fails? If it wasn't for Megatron being a unbalanced ego maniac, Starscream being a coward, and Soundwave being too skittish to lead the Autobots would have been finished a long time ago.

Look at how competent Soundwave is. I firmly believe if he would step up the Decepticon victory would be assured. His misguided loyalty to Megatron has doomed the Decepticons to stagnation, to near irrelevance for ages before the recent developments.

njb902 wrote:Let's face it the Autobots have been losing for a long time. What we are seeing in this show is really thier last gasp efforts at keeping the Autobot race alive. Sure there may be other Autobot enclaves out there, even organized resistance to the Decepticons, but what good will it do them if Optimus fails? If it wasn't for Megatron being a unbalanced ego maniac, Starscream being a coward, and Soundwave being too skittish to lead the Autobots would have been finished a long time ago.

Look at how competent Soundwave is. I firmly believe if he would step up the Decepticon victory would be assured. His misguided loyalty to Megatron has doomed the Decepticons to stagnation, to near irrelevance for ages before the recent developments.

Your right, based on Soundwave's characterization in this series, its a fair assessment that he would be able to lead the Decepticons to a pretty quick and decisive victory. Megatron would just have to fall in the ranks and follow orders and watch his dream come true.

padfoo wrote:

njb902 wrote:Let's face it the Autobots have been losing for a long time. What we are seeing in this show is really thier last gasp efforts at keeping the Autobot race alive. Sure there may be other Autobot enclaves out there, even organized resistance to the Decepticons, but what good will it do them if Optimus fails? If it wasn't for Megatron being a unbalanced ego maniac, Starscream being a coward, and Soundwave being too skittish to lead the Autobots would have been finished a long time ago.

Look at how competent Soundwave is. I firmly believe if he would step up the Decepticon victory would be assured. His misguided loyalty to Megatron has doomed the Decepticons to stagnation, to near irrelevance for ages before the recent developments.

Your right, based on Soundwave's characterization in this series, its a fair assessment that he would be able to lead the Decepticons to a pretty quick and decisive victory. Megatron would just have to fall in the ranks and follow orders and watch his dream come true.

I don't think that that would happen, that might be pretty cool though. I liked the neutered Megatron in Dark of the moon, but i think it could be done better; maybe Prime is the medium that will do that

I don't think Soundwave could afford to keep Megatron alive. If Soundwave was to take over the Decepticons he would need to get rid of all the leadership. The only one that would make sense to keep is knockout as he has no ambitions for leadership and no loyalty to Megatron, he will just fallow whoever terrifies him most.

Be careful Prime, we can't afford another Prime death!