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I'm still a bit confused on the robot mode size. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order for the new WFC Optimus if this "film" version is around the size of a voyager/leader. I already cancelled the Seige version of "Minor-Magnus", due to the tiny size and child-applied silver pen all over him. This seems to be a time when the film toys look more "CHUG" than the actual "CHUG" figures...

Prowl4 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I'm curious to see who will be filling the gaps in between the constructicons, I'll be pouncing on all of them!

Looking so very forward to the constructicons. Hoping for the twins to be revealed next in both ice cream truck mode and in their Chevy modes. Hasbro have been toying around with duocons as of late so it'd be fantastic to see the twins get updates.

I'd actually like to see the Ice cream truck twins get a voyager mold I have/ had (I don't know where it is, I think it broke) the original deluxe figure and it's a bit small and fiddly, and as the Twins are deluxe class figures individually, logically their form with a combined vehicle mode should be voyager class, or some sort of standalone box set like the Jet Twins in the Animated line.
Also, when I previously asked why TFWiki haven't acknowledged the existence of the voyager Optimus from the Bumblebee movie, I was told it's because HasTak have yet to officially announce it. Well what the heck are the waiting for? We all know it exists, it's been reviewed, at this rate it's going to actually be available for purchase before they do! Yes I know I said this previously.

Agent 53 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I'm curious to see who will be filling the gaps in between the constructicons, I'll be pouncing on all of them!

Looking so very forward to the constructicons. Hoping for the twins to be revealed next in both ice cream truck mode and in their Chevy modes. Hasbro have been toying around with duocons as of late so it'd be fantastic to see the twins get updates.

I'd actually like to see the Ice cream truck twins get a voyager mold I have/ had (I don't know where it is, I think it broke) the original deluxe figure and it's a bit small and fiddly, and as the Twins are deluxe class figures individually, logically their form with a combined vehicle mode should be voyager class, or some sort of standalone box set like the Jet Twins in the Animated line.
Also, when I previously asked why TFWiki haven't acknowledged the existence of the voyager Optimus from the Bumblebee movie, I was told it's because HasTak have yet to officially announce it. Well what the heck are the waiting for? We all know it exists, it's been reviewed, at this rate it's going to actually be available for purchase before they do! Yes I know I said this previously.

The same happened with Ironhide though didn't it? Or am I mistaken.

primalxconvoy wrote:I'm still a bit confused on the robot mode size. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order for the new WFC Optimus if this "film" version is around the size of a voyager/leader. I already cancelled the Seige version of "Minor-Magnus", due to the tiny size and child-applied silver pen all over him. This seems to be a time when the film toys look more "CHUG" than the actual "CHUG" figures...

This is what I was arguing about earlier. And yes, that new "Movie" Optimus is even more "Chuggier" than the 2007 Cybertron repaints.

If you could have seen the video that was taken down, he compared the size with Evasion Optimus. He's about the same size as him. Maybe a few millimeters bigger overall but not by much. I guesstimate that he'll be as big as the Siege one.

primalxconvoy wrote:I'm still a bit confused on the robot mode size. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order for the new WFC Optimus if this "film" version is around the size of a voyager/leader. I already cancelled the Seige version of "Minor-Magnus", due to the tiny size and child-applied silver pen all over him. This seems to be a time when the film toys look more "CHUG" than the actual "CHUG" figures...

That's because the design philosophy has changed with Siege wanting cartoon accurate robot modes and adhering to a G1 cartoon scale.

Agent 53 wrote:Also, when I previously asked why TFWiki haven't acknowledged the existence of the voyager Optimus from the Bumblebee movie, I was told it's because HasTak have yet to officially announce it. Well what the heck are the waiting for? We all know it exists, it's been reviewed, at this rate it's going to actually be available for purchase before they do! Yes I know I said this previously.

This cannot stressed enough: TFWiki does not and will never condone, support, or advocate the promotion of STOLEN toys/merchandise. That's how all these early leaks happen before Hasbro's official reveals. Thievery is not an acceptable medium through which new merchandise gets add to the Wiki.

If anybody has the ROTF Optimus in the UK that isn't getting the SS Jetfire, could they possibly message me so I can send them this chest from my Jetfire so we can see if that is what it is for? I'll pay for postage etc.

ZeroWolf wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I'm still a bit confused on the robot mode size. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order for the new WFC Optimus if this "film" version is around the size of a voyager/leader. I already cancelled the Seige version of "Minor-Magnus", due to the tiny size and child-applied silver pen all over him. This seems to be a time when the film toys look more "CHUG" than the actual "CHUG" figures...

That's because the design philosophy has changed with Siege wanting cartoon accurate robot modes and adhering to a G1 cartoon scale.

Also, there's an upper limit to the mass of plastic that can be used in any given size class. This has been the case ever since size classes were formally created with the launch of Beast Wars and it isn't going away. Magnus having a Voyager-size cab robot leaves less mass for the trailer, which results in smaller armor. Doing his armor at its full size relative to a Voyager cab would require a Supreme-class toy.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I'm still a bit confused on the robot mode size. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order for the new WFC Optimus if this "film" version is around the size of a voyager/leader. I already cancelled the Seige version of "Minor-Magnus", due to the tiny size and child-applied silver pen all over him. This seems to be a time when the film toys look more "CHUG" than the actual "CHUG" figures...

That's because the design philosophy has changed with Siege wanting cartoon accurate robot modes and adhering to a G1 cartoon scale.

Also, there's an upper limit to the mass of plastic that can be used in any given size class. This has been the case ever since size classes were formally created with the launch of Beast Wars and it isn't going away. Magnus having a Voyager-size cab robot leaves less mass for the trailer, which results in smaller armor. Doing his armor at its full size relative to a Voyager cab would require a Supreme-class toy.

This ^ though obviously, people don't have to like it but things are what they are.

Agent 53 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I'm curious to see who will be filling the gaps in between the constructicons, I'll be pouncing on all of them!

Looking so very forward to the constructicons. Hoping for the twins to be revealed next in both ice cream truck mode and in their Chevy modes. Hasbro have been toying around with duocons as of late so it'd be fantastic to see the twins get updates.

I'd actually like to see the Ice cream truck twins get a voyager mold I have/ had (I don't know where it is, I think it broke) the original deluxe figure and it's a bit small and fiddly, and as the Twins are deluxe class figures individually, logically their form with a combined vehicle mode should be voyager class, or some sort of standalone box set like the Jet Twins in the Animated line.
Also, when I previously asked why TFWiki haven't acknowledged the existence of the voyager Optimus from the Bumblebee movie, I was told it's because HasTak have yet to officially announce it. Well what the heck are the waiting for? We all know it exists, it's been reviewed, at this rate it's going to actually be available for purchase before they do! Yes I know I said this previously.

I don't know man a Voyager mould might be too big. Given how they stand at about 8 feet their robot height should be about half the size of studio series bee and smaller than jazz.

I have yet to see the video, but everything is promising so far, I even like his size based on the thumbnail. Will definitely get him when I see him.

Edit: Watched the video and as if I needed more convincing at this point lol. The transformation looks nicely complicated if a little fiddly, but I like how the backpack ends up looking very clean. I was wondering how the front wheels would incorporate with the robot mode, and J am pleased with how they turned out. This figure is now a must have for me.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I'm still a bit confused on the robot mode size. I'm considering cancelling my pre-order for the new WFC Optimus if this "film" version is around the size of a voyager/leader. I already cancelled the Seige version of "Minor-Magnus", due to the tiny size and child-applied silver pen all over him. This seems to be a time when the film toys look more "CHUG" than the actual "CHUG" figures...

This is what I was arguing about earlier. And yes, that new "Movie" Optimus is even more "Chuggier" than the 2007 Cybertron repaints.

If you could have seen the video that was taken down, he compared the size with Evasion Optimus. He's about the same size as him. Maybe a few millimeters bigger overall but not by much. I guesstimate that he'll be as big as the Siege one.

Thanks. Which Evasion version; the old "deluxe" sized one, or the recent TT "Not OSKO" version?

primalxconvoy wrote:Thanks. Which Evasion version; the old "deluxe" sized one, or the recent TT "Not OSKO" version?

The original voyager, of course.

LeAwesome1 wrote:If anybody has the ROTF Optimus in the UK that isn't getting the SS Jetfire, could they possibly message me so I can send them this chest from my Jetfire so we can see if that is what it is for? I'll pay for postage etc.

I have Jetfire coming this week (I still can't find SS32 Prime for sale anywhere yet for some reason) and I have SS05 Prime but really that piece isn't for that older Prime at all (completely different chest and ab area), just SS32 but I'm not sure why as the only video I saw it swapped out for was in japanese or something so I couldn't understand the explanation if any.

Wasn't actually planning to get Jetfire yet as spent too much lately and was thinking about cutting down my Studio collection of non-essential characters since my enthusiasm for it all has been dampened with ss38 (still think that SS38 Prime looks like blocky junk. Absolutely hate the torso especially. Same old boring boxy G1 angles. No creativity or style at all. But it's also what it represents that pisses me off too. Damn G1 in my movieverse). But then I saw a review video and Jetfire looks bloody gorgeous for an old grandad bot so I have to see it in person and see if I like it and if I don't I can just sell it on. Been selling off what few G1 and G1-update TF figures I still had in the past couple weeks anyways so it's not hurting the bank balance too much at moment.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Thanks. Which Evasion version; the old "deluxe" sized one, or the recent TT "Not OSKO" version?

The original voyager, of course.

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Carnivius_Prime wrote:

LeAwesome1 wrote:If anybody has the ROTF Optimus in the UK that isn't getting the SS Jetfire, could they possibly message me so I can send them this chest from my Jetfire so we can see if that is what it is for? I'll pay for postage etc.

I have Jetfire coming this week (I still can't find SS32 Prime for sale anywhere yet for some reason) and I have SS05 Prime but really that piece isn't for that older Prime at all (completely different chest and ab area), just SS32 but I'm not sure why as the only video I saw it swapped out for was in japanese or something so I couldn't understand the explanation if any.

Wasn't actually planning to get Jetfire yet as spent too much lately and was thinking about cutting down my Studio collection of non-essential characters since my enthusiasm for it all has been dampened with ss38 (still think that SS38 Prime looks like blocky junk. Absolutely hate the torso especially. Same old boring boxy G1 angles. No creativity or style at all. But it's also what it represents that pisses me off too. Damn G1 in my movieverse). But then I saw a review video and Jetfire looks bloody gorgeous for an old grandad bot so I have to see it in person and see if I like it and if I don't I can just sell it on. Been selling off what few G1 and G1-update TF figures I still had in the past couple weeks anyways so it's not hurting the bank balance too much at moment.

Looking forward to Jetfire, sideswipe and barricade. Couldn't give a rats about 38 ha.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

LeAwesome1 wrote:If anybody has the ROTF Optimus in the UK that isn't getting the SS Jetfire, could they possibly message me so I can send them this chest from my Jetfire so we can see if that is what it is for? I'll pay for postage etc.

I have Jetfire coming this week (I still can't find SS32 Prime for sale anywhere yet for some reason) and I have SS05 Prime but really that piece isn't for that older Prime at all (completely different chest and ab area), just SS32 but I'm not sure why as the only video I saw it swapped out for was in japanese or something so I couldn't understand the explanation if any.

Wasn't actually planning to get Jetfire yet as spent too much lately and was thinking about cutting down my Studio collection of non-essential characters since my enthusiasm for it all has been dampened with ss38 (still think that SS38 Prime looks like blocky junk. Absolutely hate the torso especially. Same old boring boxy G1 angles. No creativity or style at all. But it's also what it represents that pisses me off too. Damn G1 in my movieverse). But then I saw a review video and Jetfire looks bloody gorgeous for an old grandad bot so I have to see it in person and see if I like it and if I don't I can just sell it on. Been selling off what few G1 and G1-update TF figures I still had in the past couple weeks anyways so it's not hurting the bank balance too much at moment.

Jetfire is beautiful. I honestly think its the best figure I own from the line. I doubt you'll be disappointed.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Wasn't actually planning to get Jetfire yet as spent too much lately and was thinking about cutting down my Studio collection of non-essential characters since my enthusiasm for it all has been dampened with ss38 (still think that SS38 Prime looks like blocky junk. Absolutely hate the torso especially. Same old boring boxy G1 angles. No creativity or style at all. But it's also what it represents that pisses me off too. Damn G1 in my movieverse).

No Will.

MICHAEL BAY SUPERIOR!

Proof with this awesome fight scene on the TRUE and ORIGINAL Bay Cybertron featuring iconic characters:




So beautiful.

I'll be honest I think that DOTM Soundwave's arm speakers were awesome and should be incorporated into future Soundwave designs.

And honestly for designs neither Micheal Bay or Travis Knight is superior or inferior over the other because designs and how good they are is subjective compared to say the script writing of a movie for example.

Overall I think the DOTM Soundwave design is cool, just not as Soundwave himself (besides the awesome arms)

Deadput wrote:I'll be honest I think that DOTM Soundwave's arm speakers were awesome and should be incorporated into future Soundwave designs.

And honestly for designs neither Micheal Bay or Travis Knight is superior or inferior over the other because designs and how good they are is subjective compared to say the script writing of a movie for example.

Overall I think the DOTM Soundwave design is cool, just not as Soundwave himself (besides the awesome arms)

I agree, but - as a huge fan of the movie aesthetic - putting both together really shows that the original movie designs could have really benefited from reigning in the craziness, even if by a little

-Kanrabat- wrote:No Will.

MICHAEL BAY SUPERIOR!

Proof with this awesome fight scene on the TRUE and ORIGINAL Bay Cybertron featuring iconic characters:

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So beautiful.

I still think the Bumblebee Movie design is unsuitable for the movieverse and should be shoved in the same trash can as AoE Galvatron. Movieverse Soundwave's real Cybertronian body (which turns into a mobile alien spy satelllite, something well-suited to Soundwave's espionage role) was established in Revenge of the Fallen:


Even if it hadn't been, the blocky "Imma a tapedeck" look (which exists exists solely to pander to manbabies who continue to bleat that "Geewun amz teh 0nlee gewd Transformers") makes for a terrible movieverse rendition because it doesn't fit the aesthetic. Hell, this makes for a better movieverse Soundwave than the Bumblebee Movie design:


The one good thing I'll say about the design is that it got us what's basically a special edition reissue of Titans Return Soundwave and TR versions of Frenzy/Cartoon Rumble and Howlback.

The Movieverse designs/aesthetic are beautiful and I don't like how Bumblebee, with it's current prequel status, is evidently trying to get rid of that aesthetic. I love how non-humanoid most of them look, especially the Decepticons.

No design deserves to go into a "trash can" just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it should be "gotten rid of" because other people like that design.

Unless your Daytrader, I don't got much to say about his robot mode (the vehicle mode and the concept of a "trash collector/Autobot Swindle" is great though, it's just the "fat" and head that doesn't work)