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Someone on the last page pointed out that he could see some tooling of rotf voyager megs on Shocky.

The problem with scavenger being bigger is balancing devy, scale might not be what it should on the individual figures but Devy is the main focus this time around.

I'm shocked that D-Max is 07 Megs biggest detractor I guess the mpm spoilt you I think he's good considering the restrictions on his size class

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who said Shockwave's a retool? They're all brand new molds

Shockwave has a couple parts from ROTF Megatron in his legs, and his transformation is largely similar. While it is mostly new parts, ROTF Megs is the base for Shockwave.

Voyager retooled into Leader?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who said Shockwave's a retool? They're all brand new molds

Shockwave has a couple parts from ROTF Megatron in his legs, and his transformation is largely similar. While it is mostly new parts, ROTF Megs is the base for Shockwave.

Voyager retooled into Leader?

Might be more shared engineering? I looked but couldn't tell too many similar pieces, we'll know more when in hand images show up and someone does a comparison to rotf megs

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who said Shockwave's a retool? They're all brand new molds

Shockwave has a couple parts from ROTF Megatron in his legs, and his transformation is largely similar. While it is mostly new parts, ROTF Megs is the base for Shockwave.

Voyager retooled into Leader?

Yep, voyager retooled into leader, the extra gear and tooling taking up part of that price along with the minifigures. You can really see it in the legs, Shockwave uses megatron as a base.

And yeah Zero, the MP might have spoiled me. But still, the chest/crotch should have been easy to do right, and why put the wings in the legs? They ended up on his back

ZeroWolf wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who said Shockwave's a retool? They're all brand new molds

Shockwave has a couple parts from ROTF Megatron in his legs, and his transformation is largely similar. While it is mostly new parts, ROTF Megs is the base for Shockwave.

Voyager retooled into Leader?

Might be more shared engineering? I looked but couldn't tell too many similar pieces, we'll know more when in hand images show up and someone does a comparison to rotf megs

I can see the non-foot treads, the thighs and the upper arms are reused. Still, so far it's more similar to Moonracer/Novastar into Chromia.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who said Shockwave's a retool? They're all brand new molds

Shockwave has a couple parts from ROTF Megatron in his legs, and his transformation is largely similar. While it is mostly new parts, ROTF Megs is the base for Shockwave.

Voyager retooled into Leader?

Might be more shared engineering? I looked but couldn't tell too many similar pieces, we'll know more when in hand images show up and someone does a comparison to rotf megs

I can see the non-foot treads, the thighs and the upper arms are reused. Still, so far it's more similar to Moonracer/Novastar into Chromia.

Look at the treads. They match Megatron's in both detailing and positioning. Only the front/toe treads are now the armored toes. The parts end up in the same place in alt mode, head, arms, and all.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who said Shockwave's a retool? They're all brand new molds

Shockwave has a couple parts from ROTF Megatron in his legs, and his transformation is largely similar. While it is mostly new parts, ROTF Megs is the base for Shockwave.

Voyager retooled into Leader?

Might be more shared engineering? I looked but couldn't tell too many similar pieces, we'll know more when in hand images show up and someone does a comparison to rotf megs

I can see the non-foot treads, the thighs and the upper arms are reused. Still, so far it's more similar to Moonracer/Novastar into Chromia.

remember rotf megs was considered a very big voyager, so, extra parts and what not could make him passable as a leader class

Hellscream9999 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Who said Shockwave's a retool? They're all brand new molds

Shockwave has a couple parts from ROTF Megatron in his legs, and his transformation is largely similar. While it is mostly new parts, ROTF Megs is the base for Shockwave.

Voyager retooled into Leader?

Might be more shared engineering? I looked but couldn't tell too many similar pieces, we'll know more when in hand images show up and someone does a comparison to rotf megs

I can see the non-foot treads, the thighs and the upper arms are reused. Still, so far it's more similar to Moonracer/Novastar into Chromia.

remember rotf megs was considered a very big voyager, so, extra parts and what not could make him passable as a leader class

True, I guess Brains and Wheelie bumped him past the threshold.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Megatron is a brand new mold. He just uses the wrong chest detailing, they screwed that up.

How do you know that exactly? It looks to me like they did use the chest of the previous toy, or at least it's CAD file.

I wouldnt call any of these retools though, just part sharing. The idea of using the word "mold" as a singular doesnt really work anymore anyway. Just like TR Blurr shares some parts (thus some of it's molding) with TR Chromedome (or how siege sideswipe shares a part with Sixgun and ).

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Megatron is a brand new mold. He just uses the wrong chest detailing, they screwed that up.

How do you know that exactly? It looks to me like they did use the chest of the previous toy, or at least it's CAD file.

I wouldnt call any of these retools though, just part sharing. The idea of using the word "mold" as a singular doesnt really work anymore anyway. Just like TR Blurr shares some parts (thus some of it's molding) with TR Chromedome (or how siege sideswipe shares a part with Sixgun and ).

He doesn't transform remotely the same though. The legs and arms do completely different things

Well, this is a little concerning.

Has anyone here had this issue?

Wow, that happened during transformation? I have two of these, the one at my office I have transformed several times with no issues.

SGM

SGMLordMirage wrote:Wow, that happened during transformation? I have two of these, the one at my office I have transformed several times with no issues.

SGM

The picture isn't mine,thankfully. And I've had no issues as of yet with my Shadow Raider. But on reddit at least, I have seen some talking about how that shoulder joint has broken on them. I didn't even know the whole shoulder was clear plastic until I saw this photo.

Ok got it, like you said, glad it wasn’t yours. Definitely makes you wonder!

Haven't had any issues with Shadow Raider other than his ankles being a little on the loose side if they're fully extended. I'd imagine that that connection on their copy has always been tighter than it should be and it just gave out

Haven't had any issues with my Lockdown. Although I never thought about his shoulders being clear plastic

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And yeah Zero, the MP might have spoiled me. But still, the chest/crotch should have been easy to do right, and why put the wings in the legs? They ended up on his back

The decision to put his wings on the legs I find completely absurd. I mean, the plane mode tail and wings on his back were literally the only kibble he had in his robot mode in the movie, why make the sculpt less accurate by making up a weird new transformation scheme that puts them on the legs? I mean, it all could just have been a backpack, giving him better legs and a more accurate back. And the noticeably inaccurate reused chest is a really strange choice too.

I legit cannot wait to get a demolisher this amazing in my collection, he was my first rotf figure, but I was immediately let down by his lack of articulation - which he definitely should have had more of, he was simple enough to accommodate it - unfortunately his rubber tracks, for some reason, have since turned green and brittle; so getting a way more articulated, more screen accurate, version that is also a combiner, is just the best thing ever

Picked up the KSI Boss, and I think I lost the QC lottery as hard as possible. Nothing actually pegs together. Not sure if it's misassembled, or extremely terrible tolerances. The wing panels were even bent when I unfolded them. I wish Hasbro/Takara went back to packaging TFs in vehicle mode, it'd probably prevent things like this. I really wanted to like this figure, and I would, if not for seeming to get the worst possible copy. One of the only TFs I've returned.

Aside from when, where, and how much, the main question asked after Hasbro revealed their latest Transformers Studio Series toys was "where do Scavenger's threads go in alt mode?". Well, thanks to Victinoko who reached out to us with some images they took, we now know. The big treads we see in robot mode are within the alt mode, int he centre. They are very obvious with a view of the toy from the top. We have other images, one being of Shockwave from the top which is far from obvious (granted, he never did Transform in the movies). There has been a big discussion on retools here since some parts are shared among the toys, however please remember that with recent examples, like Titans Return Blur and Chromedome, sharing a common piece does not mean that a toy can't also be a unique experience all the same. With advanced toy making techniques and basing some toys on a similar CAD model, it may be time to retire the conception of retool, at least pertaining to examples like the leader Shockwave and voyager Megatron found below.

Let us know if you are excited for these toys!

Unicron Magnus wrote:Picked up the KSI Boss, and I think I lost the QC lottery as hard as possible. Nothing actually pegs together. Not sure if it's misassembled, or extremely terrible tolerances. The wing panels were even bent when I unfolded them. I wish Hasbro/Takara went back to packaging TFs in vehicle mode, it'd probably prevent things like this. I really wanted to like this figure, and I would, if not for seeming to get the worst possible copy. One of the only TFs I've returned.

I think what you are noticing are problems with the mold in general, albeit a bit extreame. The initial release was plagued with problems too. Pieces fall off of everyone's. I know Kanrabat had a terrible experience with Nitro Zeus. He returned his too. The wings are made of a thin plastic and there being lots of parts, there are many places where quality can be faulty. Sorry to hear about yours but sadly, it's not an isolated case.

I think I see where Devys head is now on mixmaster. Was driving me nuts

Mixmaster's claws are sticking out from the back end of his vehicle mode.

Wonder if there's any chance we'll see Scavenger redecoed as Demolisher (since Demolisher was the one who transformed into robot mode in RotF) and Rampage into Skipjack for a more movie-accurate yellow leg (not misassembled this time please)?