Seibertron.com Energon Pub Forums

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:I hope that like 'Jass' ratchet being a deluxe is a mistake. I want bigger Ratchet so he can scale with the other deluxes better. Ambulances are larger than sport cars.

Am confused. We already have Ratchet and he's a Deluxe and he's a tall Deluxe, same height as Lockdown and bigger than Bee and Jazz.

He isnt a tall deluxe, he is just the same height as the average deluxe. Him being bigger than the two smalleest deluxes of all time doesnt make him tall.

Now Animated and ROTF Lockdown and Battle Blade Bee, those are tall deluxes.

Yeah. It's funny, I compared SS Stinger with BBBB and Bee is like twice the size of Stinger. Though I will say I like the Stinger mold enough I'd take a reshell of him as AOE Bee.

Seeing as you mention Lockdown I'm still not sure if I want the ROTF version or some variant of the Animated mold (I'm thinking TAV). Animated Lockdown goes fairly cheap, but dear lord ROTF Lockdown looks awesome.

william-james88 wrote:That still doest make Ratchet a tall deluxe. He isnt bigger than a combiner wars deluxe. He's just normal size.

He's taller than a lot of movie Deluxes over the past few years. Various Bumblebees, TLK Barricade, and I tried measuring him (and Lockdown) with some other figures i still own such as some past movie Deluxes like DotM Barricade, Sidearms Sideswipe (whom i always felt was a bit tall) and that was roughly same height, and some non-movie Deluxe figures like RTS Tracks (Ratchet is a tad taller), and Wolfwire (again Ratchet is noticably taller) but again none of that means anything to the Studio scale in which Ratchet and Lockdown are the tallest Deluxes (that I can compare as I don't have Stinger and Crowbar) with Jazz being by far the smallest. That's what my original point and comparison was. I dunno why all the arguing when I thought we'd all gotten the idea of the scale thing Hasbro were going with here and how they are fitting certain characters into classes and the factors involving scale, cost, amount of parts, mass of plastics, paintjobs and such. That's way it looks to me anyways but I don't know anything really.

william-james88 wrote:I think there might be some mistakes here, like that deluxe Brawl

That is true. I wonder now if Brawl and Ratchet are place holders. (Since we already got Ratch, but you know how hasbro loves to give us too much of a good thing sometimes.)

It says on the TFWiki page for Studio Series that "Fox" was Megatron's codename, so perhaps 30 Fox is another Megatron, personally I wouldn't mind a new version of the Dark of the Moon design.
As for other figures, I hope one of the future Deluxes is Sideswipe, mainly because my ROTF Deluxe is beginning to show its age with worn away paint and creaky joints. Also, I doubt it will happen, but I would LOVE a Deluxe Arcee comprised of three motorcycles that combine into a single robot based on the old concept art.

Munkky wrote:It says on the TFWiki page for Studio Series that "Fox" was Megatron's codename, so perhaps 30 Fox is another Megatron, personally I wouldn't mind a new version of the Dark of the Moon design.
As for other figures, I hope one of the future Deluxes is Sideswipe, mainly because my ROTF Deluxe is beginning to show its age with worn away paint and creaky joints. Also, I doubt it will happen, but I would LOVE a Deluxe Arcee comprised of three motorcycles that combine into a single robot based on the old concept art.

I prefer the 2007 Arcee figure (though she doesn't fit in Studio scale, heck she didn't fir in her own 2007 toyline scalewise not that they tried so hard with that. Only reason I haven't culled her is that I simply just love the design of her far too much to want to part with it) over the weird triplet wonky wheelbots from RotF but I'm game to see them attempt that combining thing just to see if they can pull it off.

Anyways me off to bed. Have only had about 30 mins sleep in past couple days and even that was on the floor behind my recliner (why not on the recliner? I don't know... i didn't choose the sleeping place) and my issues been going crazy (is why i been trying to distract with lots of transformers stuffs). Goodnight, folks.

this can easily be somewhat fake/ inaccurate..... considering it says deluxe brawl, deluxe jass (not jazz) so i feel this is not all that reliable..... (considering they don't know much about the actual products)

Regarding the previous custom painted Megatron, that's WAY too shiny. Too "brand new". He'd need a black wash or something over that silver to dirty him up a little. If I find my Megs too bland looking with his original colors, I might just do that myself.

WreckerJack wrote:I hope that like 'Jass' ratchet being a deluxe is a mistake. I want bigger Ratchet so he can scale with the other deluxes better. Ambulances are larger than sport cars.

Good lord, just go buy one of the older voyager Ratchets. Ratchet is Ratchet, if you want a voyager Ratchet just go get one. DUH!

Black Hat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:I hope that like 'Jass' ratchet being a deluxe is a mistake. I want bigger Ratchet so he can scale with the other deluxes better. Ambulances are larger than sport cars.

Am confused. We already have Ratchet and he's a Deluxe and he's a tall Deluxe, same height as Lockdown and bigger than Bee and Jazz.

He isnt a tall deluxe, he is just the same height as the average deluxe. Him being bigger than the two smalleest deluxes of all time doesnt make him tall.

Now Animated and ROTF Lockdown and Battle Blade Bee, those are tall deluxes.

Yeah. It's funny, I compared SS Stinger with BBBB and Bee is like twice the size of Stinger. Though I will say I like the Stinger mold enough I'd take a reshell of him as AOE Bee.

Seeing as you mention Lockdown I'm still not sure if I want the ROTF version or some variant of the Animated mold (I'm thinking TAV). Animated Lockdown goes fairly cheap, but dear lord ROTF Lockdown looks awesome.

Stinger. Figure. Is ok it could be. Better in studio series still looks to much like repaint of bumblebee Figure. Should change transformation and weapons on stinger. Figure to make it look less like repaint of bumblebee. Figure

Aimless Misfire wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:I hope that like 'Jass' ratchet being a deluxe is a mistake. I want bigger Ratchet so he can scale with the other deluxes better. Ambulances are larger than sport cars.

Good lord, just go buy one of the older voyager Ratchets. Ratchet is Ratchet, if you want a voyager Ratchet just go get one. DUH!

Hum.... It's not that easy, dude. Ironhide had 3 voyagers, notably the DOTM who is in perfect scale with deluxe cars and even SS Optimus. However, Ratchet only have ONE voyager mold. The 2007 version. And it's freaking HUGE. It can only scale with Leader ROTF Optimus.

Aimless Misfire wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:I hope that like 'Jass' ratchet being a deluxe is a mistake. I want bigger Ratchet so he can scale with the other deluxes better. Ambulances are larger than sport cars.

Good lord, just go buy one of the older voyager Ratchets. Ratchet is Ratchet, if you want a voyager Ratchet just go get one. DUH!

The only ones I can find are expensive or broken. (or the shipping costs a lot more than it should)

Instead of hasbro giving us two deluxes they should give us a voyager instead. Duh.

WreckerJack wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:I hope that like 'Jass' ratchet being a deluxe is a mistake. I want bigger Ratchet so he can scale with the other deluxes better. Ambulances are larger than sport cars.

Good lord, just go buy one of the older voyager Ratchets. Ratchet is Ratchet, if you want a voyager Ratchet just go get one. DUH!

The only ones I can find are expensive or broken. (or the shipping costs a lot more than it should)

Instead of hasbro giving us two deluxes they should give us a voyager instead. Duh.

They should have made a DOTM voyager ratchet instead of double-dipping by making a lame-ass voyager Sentinel Prime when there already was a leader. DUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRR.....
Seriously. They remade a great Ironhide so why his bro wasn't there?

I really like how this guy looks. However I picked up Peru Kill from Unique Toys because I like my decepticon villians to tower over the autobots. so usually when it comes to decepticon leaders I go for size

After looking at reviews, I highly reccomend either of the two.
Peru Kill from Unique Toys is obviously more expensive so if you have a low budget then get the hastak one

Deluxe Brawl? That makes no sense for the Studio Series. We're getting an in-scale voyager version in the coming weeks, so why bother with a smaller one that's out of scale? Something is very off with that listing.

Deluxe Ratchet coming up again makes sense, though, as it could just be his Dark of the Moon deco. We've been speculating that Hasbro and Takara are releasing a repaint of Voyager Starscream with his Revenge of the Fallen deco, so why not do the same with Ratchet? Gotta get the most out of those molds!

Voyager Ironhide gives me a bit of pause. Seriously, Studio Series Optimus Prime is already a fairly small voyager figure, and to retain robot mode scale, Ironhide will have to be an even smaller voyager. I'm talking small like Studio Series Jazz is the tiniest deluxe figure we've ever had small. Maybe that would mean that Ironhide would come with an extensive paint job to compensate, like Jazz, or maybe just a whole cashe of weapons and accessories to justify the $30.00 USD price tag.

dragons wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:I hope that like 'Jass' ratchet being a deluxe is a mistake. I want bigger Ratchet so he can scale with the other deluxes better. Ambulances are larger than sport cars.

Am confused. We already have Ratchet and he's a Deluxe and he's a tall Deluxe, same height as Lockdown and bigger than Bee and Jazz.

He isnt a tall deluxe, he is just the same height as the average deluxe. Him being bigger than the two smalleest deluxes of all time doesnt make him tall.

Now Animated and ROTF Lockdown and Battle Blade Bee, those are tall deluxes.

Yeah. It's funny, I compared SS Stinger with BBBB and Bee is like twice the size of Stinger. Though I will say I like the Stinger mold enough I'd take a reshell of him as AOE Bee.

Seeing as you mention Lockdown I'm still not sure if I want the ROTF version or some variant of the Animated mold (I'm thinking TAV). Animated Lockdown goes fairly cheap, but dear lord ROTF Lockdown looks awesome.

Stinger. Figure. Is ok it could be. Better in studio series still looks to much like repaint of bumblebee Figure. Should change transformation and weapons on stinger. Figure to make it look less like repaint of bumblebee. Figure

But even in the movie, that's what stinger was, he was to bumblebee what galvatron was to prime. So it makes sense for stinger to be a repaint of bee as he was never anyone else to begin with.

I'm sorry wreckerjack but a voyager rachet would be out of scale with what they are going for here in the ss series. Actually tell a lie, for a voyager to work they would have to find a way for the bigger vehicle to condense to make for a smaller robot mode so he's shorter than prime (going from that chart) obviously the designers felt it could be better achieved by making him deluxe scale.

Fair enough. It seems that sometimes with size classes its either too big or too small and nothing is "just right". At times it's nice to have two different ones depending upon what you are doing posing them though.

In my opinion they just really needed to make OP a bit bigger. The bot and con scale is gonna be off simply because the cons tended to be larger, but the scale is really hurting the bots. They are small, and they really shouldn't be that small. That is my biggest problem with this line is the robot mode scale being the basis, it's not working for several figures!

Of the 4 I have, Ratchet and Bee are painful because of the size. Grimlock is large like he should be and Thundercracker is awesome. But the former 2 are in dire need of an upscale

Munkky wrote:It says on the TFWiki page for Studio Series that "Fox" was Megatron's codename, so perhaps 30 Fox is another Megatron, personally I wouldn't mind a new version of the Dark of the Moon design.
As for other figures, I hope one of the future Deluxes is Sideswipe, mainly because my ROTF Deluxe is beginning to show its age with worn away paint and creaky joints. Also, I doubt it will happen, but I would LOVE a Deluxe Arcee comprised of three motorcycles that combine into a single robot based on the old concept art.

Crazy idea, but considering that it appears starscream will be in the bumblebee movie, also the fact that it’s now a reboot, but could megatron be in it as well in one from or another? Didn’t we get a listing for him in the new allspark style line for the movie? (Forgot what they’re called)

What would have been preferable would be for them to have resurrected the old Supreme class and used that for Blackout and Grimlock so that Megatron and Starscream could be small Leaders, Brawl a large Voyager, Optimus a modest-sized Voyager, Ratchet and Lockdown very small Voyagers, and every other Deluxe just a hair larger than their current sizes.

So am I the only one who is fine with how things are? I think it's comendable that they are even sticking to a scale (and there's no telling that they may do a larger scale a couple of years down the line)

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Of the 4 I have, Ratchet and Bee are painful because of the size. Grimlock is large like he should be and Thundercracker is awesome. But the former 2 are in dire need of an upscale

No they're really not. Bee especially is pretty much the ideal size his previous toys should have been in my opinion. Especially compared to supposed 'deluxe battle blade bee' which was far too large.

ZeroWolf wrote:So am I the only one who is fine with how things are? I think it's comendable that they are even sticking to a scale (and there's no telling that they may do a larger scale a couple of years down the line)

No, the Studio scale works great for me for many reasons such as shelf size and cost reasons too.

Sabrblade wrote:What would have been preferable would be for them to have resurrected the old Supreme class and used that for Blackout and Grimlock so that Megatron and Starscream could be small Leaders, Brawl a large Voyager, Optimus a modest-sized Voyager, Ratchet and Lockdown very small Voyagers, and every other Deluxe just a hair larger than their current sizes.

God no. I could barely even afford one Leader class figure, never mind Supreme... And what retailers would even stock it? The current Leaders have far less retailers than the smaller figures it seems.

Ironhide needs to be a bit taller than Ratchet (since Ratchet is 20 feet and Ironhide is 22 feet) and generally bulkier and have his huge cannons (but then Lockdown and Nitro Zeus are supposely 22 feet as well so it's already a lil confusing but not too bad). Wonder how the AoE and TLK Hounds scale cos i don't own those but he's 24 feet i think

My Megatron is a-coming todaaaay!


By the way how would a Grindor retool of Blackout even happen when Grindor is so much larger than Blackout?

Woo!

Yep, it's true that Megatron is a big voyager. Can stand almost as tall as Grimlock if you straighten up the legs

Munkky wrote:It says on the TFWiki page for Studio Series that "Fox" was Megatron's codename, so perhaps 30 Fox is another Megatron, personally I wouldn't mind a new version of the Dark of the Moon design.

Box my Megatron came in.

Nice, have you had much time to handle him yet carni?

So 30 Fox is just ROTF megs then?