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by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:40 pm

Take a look at the edit to my post.

News Credits: 1 · by **Rtron** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:50 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Take a look at the edit to my post.

The head in the screencap I posted is quite different to his DotM head, it has a pseudo-faceplate and a visor, just to name a few differences. So that's why TulioDude might want to swap heads, which was your original question. Because they aren't the same head.

News Credits: 53 · by **EvasionModeBumblebee** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:57 pm

I'm not a big fan of ROTF deluxe Soundwave, but I will admit its' robot mode is much more interesting than the SS version.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: It's a bigger Deluxe because of when it was made so it scales better, and it has both the shrouded and unshrouded heads, so it renders the Studio Series attempt an irrelevant waste of plastic.

I was actually wondering about the scale since I remember ROTF Soundwave being pretty small. My DOTM SS Soundwave is packed away, but I do have Bumblebee out so I compared the two.

Given that SS DOTM Soundwave is presumably the same height as the ROTF SS, and DOTM 'wave is a little shorter than Bumblebee, the ROTF 'wave is just a tad taller than the ROTF SS.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:33 pm

Damn. So either way we're stuck with him undersize.. The ROTF at least has bigger satellite panels and both forms of the head.

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:07 am

I'm still pretty sure that ROTF Soundwave wasn't that much taller then the DOTM version if at all.

There is the wings but otherwise the main satellite body isn't that big in the movie itself.

by **Jeddostotle7** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:59 am

Deadput wrote:I'm still pretty sure that ROTF Soundwave wasn't that much taller then the DOTM version if at all.

There is the wings but otherwise the main satellite body isn't that big in the movie itself.

Yeah, I don't quite get being this worked up over the size of a version of a character, who didn't appear next to any other characters or intuitively relatably-sized objects in the movie this version appeared in, being technically wrong according to a height stat listed somewhere obscure, to the point of wanting them to scrap the mold and start over. For me, the fact that it's the same size as the SS DOTM Soundwave I have works perfect for me, if I end up getting it.

I get the frustration with scale not being right, Zelda, I do. I just don't think it matters that much in this case.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:41 am

I wouldn't exactly call the official ROTF scale chart (which has him on par with Ironhide size-wise) obscure.
As far as the movie itself goes, there aresolid references for his size.
One is when he latches onto and hijacks a large military communications satellite. He's not as big, but he isn't compeletely dwarfed either.

The other is his launch of Ravage. He's a fair sight bigger than the slightly-larger-than-man-size murderkitty, moreso than Bumblebee is. So I've always perceived him as being on the larger side in that movie, years before I double-checked the scale chart.
His becoming a somewhat squat sportscar guy in DotM thus always struck me as odd.

I'm worked up because I'm disappointed. I had hoped for an improvement over the ROTF toy (I like the ROTF design) and instead we got an inferior version that's still not even in scale. Fine, it's too late to throw it in the smelting pool. So I'll just hope they get to work on a non-halfassed attempt ASAP.

News Credits: 6 · by **TulioDude** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:20 am

I wonder why they didn't take the Legends toy design and made it bigger.

Well,I dont think the Studio Series toy will be a bad toy,just not the ultra accurate Soundwave that we want.

Here is hoping that the Masterpiece version will be just that.Until then,this is a fine toy.

News Credits: 1 · by **Rtron** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:55 am

TulioDude wrote:I wonder why they didn't take the Legends toy design and made it bigger.

Well,I dont think the Studio Series toy will be a bad toy,just not the ultra accurate Soundwave that we want.

Here is hoping that the Masterpiece version will be just that.Until then,this is a fine toy.

They should have totally done this. We'll see how the Studio Series one looks in hand, but for now, I think that legends toy is the most accurate version of his satellite mode we've gotten! At least mold and proportions-wise, paint-wise, well, it's a legends toy.

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:11 am

Honestly, I don't really see ROTF Soundwave as Soundwave, just because of the fact that his general aesthetic sorta reminds me of the Knights of Cybertron from TLK (Were they the Knights of Cybertron? I genuinely can't remember half of that movie)

News Credits: 436 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:23 am

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Honestly, I don't really see ROTF Soundwave as Soundwave, just because of the fact that his general aesthetic sorta reminds me of the Knights of Cybertron from TLK (Were they the Knights of Cybertron? I genuinely can't remember half of that movie)

"Guardian Knights" was their group name.

Though, Daytrader offhandedly name-dropped the "Knights of Iacon" once, but "Guardian Knights" was used multiple times throughout the movie, even by the group's members themselves.

News Credits: 317 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:37 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I know that.. It's just... it's unsalvageably bad work.

I once had the opportunity to interview some former Hasbro designers and I brought up how bad toys made it to shelves. One of the designers passionately stated that designs get changed and more often then not the designers original intent is lost due to budget and whims of executives. Food for thought.

News Credits: 4498 · by **william-james88** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:10 pm

We have some new stock images of the upcoming Transformers Studio Series 65 Voyager Blitzwing. This gives us our best look yet at the final product and sadly, it's not all good news. We see taht the head is indeed not painted and that concurs with other images we saw of that toy, like these in package images. These images show us the various weapons he has along with images of the alt mode at different angles. The images come from the In Demand Toys website.

by **Jeddostotle7** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:23 pm

Given how this stage of promo pics has still been wrong before about paint apps, there is still a chance the final figure's head will be painted correctly, a la Studio Series Leader Optimus' ab piece and Earthrise Optimus' hands, head, and pelvis.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:32 pm

You know what accessory HasTak overlooked that I hoped someone makes? Rampage's cannons.

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:49 pm

Kinda lame with the white head, but aside from that, I’m really liking him a lot. I’m sure some black paint or a Sharpie will fix the white head fairly easily.

News Credits: 56 · by **Nathaniel Prime** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:51 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You know what accessory HasTak overlooked that I hoped someone makes? Rampage's cannons.

Rampage already has his cannons. They're not impressive, but they gave you the option for them.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:52 pm

...I'm just gonna hope that that sample of Blitzwing is just incorrect, otherwise that's unfortunate. I'm still really glad he comes with both his weapons though.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You know what accessory HasTak overlooked that I hoped someone makes? Rampage's cannons.

They didn't overlook them, you're supposed to remove the bulldozer mode pistons and plug them into his hands. They aren't the most screen-accurate guns in the line, but they also definitely didn't forget them.

News Credits: 1 · by **Prime Target** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:59 pm

If that head is the Final Deco and it's not Black like it should be I'm not buying. It'd go against the Modus Operandi of the line of Screen accuracy and Scale and Jeep Bumblebee is both.

News Credits: 56 · by **Nathaniel Prime** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:03 pm

My attempt at "fixing" Blitzwing, I just added the needed black and grey to his head and crotch, while giving him the extra detail of painted wheels. Really excited for Blitzwing, in any case. He looks fabulous.

by **Jeddostotle7** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:14 pm

Remember y'all:

SS-44 "final" promo pic with unpainted red abs:

SS-44 actual figure with painted silver abs:

ER OP "final" promo pic with unpainted grey hands and silver painted codpiece and yellow painted eyes:

ER OP actual figure with painted blue hands and codpiece and light blue painted eyes:

Now, does this mean the final Blitzwing will definitely have the correctly painted head? No, but it does mean this is by no means definitely representative of the final figure.

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:42 pm

That head definitely looks weird. Hopefully this is a DotM Prime case.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:06 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:...I'm just gonna hope that that sample of Blitzwing is just incorrect, otherwise that's unfortunate. I'm still really glad he comes with both his weapons though.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You know what accessory HasTak overlooked that I hoped someone makes? Rampage's cannons.

They didn't overlook them, you're supposed to remove the bulldozer mode pistons and plug them into his hands. They aren't the most screen-accurate guns in the line, but they also definitely didn't forget them.

Ah, I see. I don't think I saw that in the instructions. Thank you for pointing it out.

News Credits: 42 · by **TF-fan kev777** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:16 pm

I really hope you can mount the missiles under the wing using the slot in the top because they do not look good upside-down in the jet mode photo. They look to be removable, so fingers crossed. Worst case, I just leave them out for jet mode.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:30 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Ah, I see. I don't think I saw that in the instructions. Thank you for pointing it out.

And you're right that you didn't see them in the instructions, they aren't there, I checked while posting, but it is an official feature because Hasbro shows it in the stock photo on the figure's packaging (and I want to say they displayed it that way before it came out, but I don't recall for certain).