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The existence of the TR mold makes me mildly less mad about Wheelie, but still, I'd rather he'd had his sword than a barely-poseable non transforming nugget.

I saw a comment on a YouTube review for the recent Pit of Judgement box set. Pondering when we would get a deluxe Kranix. I think the notion of a transforming Wheelie is a bit more realistic than that.

Black Hat wrote:The existence of the TR mold makes me mildly less mad about Wheelie, but still, I'd rather he'd had his sword than a barely-poseable non transforming nugget.

I find it funny that everyone wants a toy accurate accessory:lol: normally you hear the complaining that the figures aren't more like the cartoon.

I dunno. I always thought Wheelie was supposed to be the New Post-Movie Bumblebee IE the kid friendly character. Surely in that respect, he deserved better than "accessory"?

ZeroWolf wrote:

Black Hat wrote:The existence of the TR mold makes me mildly less mad about Wheelie, but still, I'd rather he'd had his sword than a barely-poseable non transforming nugget.

I find it funny that everyone wants a toy accurate accessory:lol: normally you hear the complaining that the figures aren't more like the cartoon.

Honestly I've never been a cartoon accuracy fanatic, I generally prefer a figure that's fun and looks good. I'm still debating over whether or not to get SS86 Grimlock and repaint the bits I don't like or whether to go for the Takara boxset with upgrades. Both have appeal to me in different ways, and as someone that actually likes the idea of combining Dinobots...I dunno.

I don't mind the yellow on Grimlock. I wouldn't have minded gold either.
But overall I think he looks really good in both modes. That in and of itself is a win.
Not a big deal that Wheelie doesn't transform... Knee joints would've been nice, but oh well.
I'm betting Daniel will be in his Exo suit, and if he has knee joints, that'll be kinda funny.
Actually, the more I think about it, Daniel may be even smaller than Wheelie and have almost no articulation. Maybe like Kranix.

I'm so anxious to see Slag and Kingdom Galvatron!

Black Hat wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Black Hat wrote:The existence of the TR mold makes me mildly less mad about Wheelie, but still, I'd rather he'd had his sword than a barely-poseable non transforming nugget.

I find it funny that everyone wants a toy accurate accessory:lol: normally you hear the complaining that the figures aren't more like the cartoon.

Honestly I've never been a cartoon accuracy fanatic, I generally prefer a figure that's fun and looks good. I'm still debating over whether or not to get SS86 Grimlock and repaint the bits I don't like or whether to go for the Takara boxset with upgrades. Both have appeal to me in different ways, and as someone that actually likes the idea of combining Dinobots...I dunno.

Well way I look at it, which one interests you more. For starters do you have the PotP versions? Its a question of who you think will satisfy you in the long run.
Strictly speaking, the way leaks have happening, we could get a grimlock review which may help make your mind up.

Black Hat wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Black Hat wrote:The existence of the TR mold makes me mildly less mad about Wheelie, but still, I'd rather he'd had his sword than a barely-poseable non transforming nugget.

I find it funny that everyone wants a toy accurate accessory:lol: normally you hear the complaining that the figures aren't more like the cartoon.

Honestly I've never been a cartoon accuracy fanatic, I generally prefer a figure that's fun and looks good. I'm still debating over whether or not to get SS86 Grimlock and repaint the bits I don't like or whether to go for the Takara boxset with upgrades. Both have appeal to me in different ways, and as someone that actually likes the idea of combining Dinobots...I dunno.

I cant really speak as to whether or not the combiner aspect would be worth it since I'm personally not into the idea of the dinobots being a combiner, but I wouldnt be surprised if SS '86 Grimlock gets rerealeased with different paint. A lot of WFC figures have been repainted and re-released one way or another, and although I haven't noticed that pattern with SS, I dont think the idea is all that far fetched. Just food for thought haha

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I dunno. I always thought Wheelie was supposed to be the New Post-Movie Bumblebee IE the kid friendly character. Surely in that respect, he deserved better than "accessory"?

He never became that, though. He's not considered in the same respect that Bumblebee is. And he does transform in the movie.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm thinking twofold now. On the one hand, I don't think he ever transforms in the Movie? So in that respect this is accurate.

He transforms in the movie.

While I certainly would have preferred Wheelie transformed, I agree that would have taken away from Grimlock, and he's pretty cool as we got him. Maybe they can make an accessory pack ala Centurion to get Grimlock's (non-tv, non-movie) sword, but I'm sure 3P will have it covered either way.

It would be epic IMHO if this line gives us Spike and Daniel both in Exo Suites in Cliffjumper scale...'nuff said!

william-james88 wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Honestly what the heck happened with SS Blurr's forearms? They look terrible

They do and I'm trying to understand what went so wrong when TR Blurr has basically the same transformation but doesn't look like an eye sore.

They are actually pretty accurate when you look at his animation model, with the only major problem being that are a little too tall, and his hands need to be centered vertically, the length of the kibble is pretty much spot on.

Keelan wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Honestly what the heck happened with SS Blurr's forearms? They look terrible

They do and I'm trying to understand what went so wrong when TR Blurr has basically the same transformation but doesn't look like an eye sore.

They are actually pretty accurate when you look at his animation model, with the only major problem being that are a little too tall, and his hands need to be centered vertically, the length of the kibble is pretty much spot on.

Comparing him to the Titans Return mold, one key difference sticks out: the SS86 one has the whole arm turn into the side fender, but the TR one cuts off at the end of the cockpit. The rest is attached to the lower leg, resulting in the intake piece covering the fist being shorter.

Oddly enough, this will be the 2nd SS Wheelie that is an accessory to a Leader class TF , and doesn't Transform, so it's not unprecedented. Brains, mini Dinobots etc. Remember this is SS, not Generations proper, so screen accuracy is #1. Still more evidence these were not meant to be part of Kingdom.

o.supreme wrote:Oddly enough, this will be the 2nd SS Wheelie that is an accessory to a Leader class TF , and doesn't Transform, so it's not unprecedented. Brains, mini Dinobots etc. Remember this is SS, not Generations proper, so screen accuracy is #1. Still more evidence these were not meant to be part of Kingdom.

If you want precedent the Pit of Judgment came with the non transforming Prosecutor and Kranix. It doesn't mean the 86 line wasn't meant to compliment the line that has guys like Acrcee, the Quintessons, and Cyclonus. It just means it has a non-transforming Wheelie.

Forget the sword, give me Grimlocks missile launcher, and make sure it really launches!!! I'd love a transforming Wheelie, especially after the TR version really wasn't that fun to handle, but I think it would be hard to do at that small of a size. I still think Kup's arms aren't transformed right because something just looks off. Not bad toy off, but something wasn't done right off.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Forget the sword, give me Grimlocks missile launcher, and make sure it really launches!!! I'd love a transforming Wheelie, especially after the TR version really wasn't that fun to handle, but I think it would be hard to do at that small of a size. I still think Kup's arms aren't transformed right because something just looks off. Not bad toy off, but something wasn't done right off.

Yeah, I've looked at Kup a lot trying to decide if I want to preorder him or not...
I know it's an improvement, but I must not like him enough... For me it's the face sculpt, and his shoulders being too low. I mean, I also think his shoulders are too broad, but even that would've bother me if they were higher on his torso.
I'm definitely skipping Blurr.
I only see myself considering these two figures if they go on some crazy good deal... Like $10 each.
Otherwise, it's just more money to funnel towards other figures (hopefully) like Galvatron and Slag.
And maybe MP Starscream.

Sabrblade wrote:For me, the only reason I would even consider getting Kup is because his limbs are built like those of the Weaponizers/Modulators/Fossilizers, meaning his arms and legs can be swapped out and mixed-and-matched with weapons, building equipment, or dinosaur bones.

They're giving us the means to make Kup a literal fossil

Sowndwave76 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Forget the sword, give me Grimlocks missile launcher, and make sure it really launches!!! I'd love a transforming Wheelie, especially after the TR version really wasn't that fun to handle, but I think it would be hard to do at that small of a size. I still think Kup's arms aren't transformed right because something just looks off. Not bad toy off, but something wasn't done right off.

Yeah, I've looked at Kup a lot trying to decide if I want to preorder him or not...
I know it's an improvement, but I must not like him enough... For me it's the face sculpt, and his shoulders being too low. I mean, I also think his shoulders are too broad, but even that would've bother me if they were higher on his torso.
I'm definitely skipping Blurr.
I only see myself considering these two figures if they go on some crazy good deal... Like $10 each.
Otherwise, it's just more money to funnel towards other figures (hopefully) like Galvatron and Slag.
And maybe MP Starscream.

I don't have anything against the face sculpt, though I know I'm in the minority. It does seem a little long at times, but I think that might be due to the angle as much as the sculpt itself.

The arms do seem low compared to the animation model, but they're much closer to the toy. Same thing with the shoulder width. Though the shoulders aren't the fenders proper, the transformation puts them where the fenders were, which I think is a really neat compromise that honors the spirit of the toy and still looks good, at least in my opinion.

I'm surprised at how consistent the hostility against Kup has been, but some of that seems linked to the love for the Generations figure that I've never had any interest in. The TR was nice, and I'm not getting rid of him, but this will become my definitive Kup.

On Wheelie:
Maybe they wanted people to be able to recreate the scene where Wheelie rides Grimlock and figured most people didn't like Wheelie much anyway.

TR Wheelie is a pretty great G1 Wheelie all by himself. He's probably too big to ride Grimlock effectively, though.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I dunno. I always thought Wheelie was supposed to be the New Post-Movie Bumblebee IE the kid friendly character. Surely in that respect, he deserved better than "accessory"?

He never became that, though. He's not considered in the same respect that Bumblebee is.

It is weird though, as that was clearly the intent. Especially as Bumblebee took a substantial backseat Post-Movie. It is certainly food for thought in hindsight. Much like, voice aside, what was the point of Blurr? He shoots from a balcony at nothing and unsuccessfully tries to lasso the Dinobots onto the Autobot shuttle. That's his debut. If memory serves, they didn't do too much with him in Season 3 either.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I dunno. I always thought Wheelie was supposed to be the New Post-Movie Bumblebee IE the kid friendly character. Surely in that respect, he deserved better than "accessory"?

He never became that, though. He's not considered in the same respect that Bumblebee is.

It is weird though, as that was clearly the intent. Especially as Bumblebee took a substantial backseat Post-Movie. It is certainly food for thought in hindsight. Much like, voice aside, what was the point of Blurr? He shoots from a balcony at nothing and unsuccessfully tries to lasso the Dinobots onto the Autobot shuttle. That's his debut. If memory serves, they didn't do too much with him in Season 3 either.

I think it was all about having enough characters to justify replacing the entire 84-85 cast. The first 2 seasons had a lot of characters, they couldn't be replaced with just 5 or 6 new ones. So I think Blurr and Wheelie were more like fillers than main focus characters.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Much like, voice aside, what was the point of Blurr? He shoots from a balcony at nothing and unsuccessfully tries to lasso the Dinobots onto the Autobot shuttle. That's his debut. If memory serves, they didn't do too much with him in Season 3 either.

The toys were planned first weren't they? Plus Blurr's role could of been reduced in the movie due to the changes that were made to the movie such as removal of some scenes and different script changes.

Deadput wrote:The toys were planned first weren't they?

Not for the likes of Hot Rod, Rodimus Prime, Kup, Blurr, Wreck-Gar, Wheelie, Galvatron, Scourge, Cyclonus, Gnaw, etc. They were all designed as cartoon models first.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I think it was all about having enough characters to justify replacing the entire 84-85 cast. The first 2 seasons had a lot of characters, they couldn't be replaced with just 5 or 6 new ones. So I think Blurr and Wheelie were more like fillers than main focus characters.

It is one of those frustrating conceits to Season 3. They couldn't go all in with making something new. So tried to reframe the post-Movie Autobot cast into something more familiar. When it wasn't necessary. Springer was one of the breakout new characters and they phased him out before Season 3 even ended

Deadput wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Much like, voice aside, what was the point of Blurr? He shoots from a balcony at nothing and unsuccessfully tries to lasso the Dinobots onto the Autobot shuttle. That's his debut. If memory serves, they didn't do too much with him in Season 3 either.

The toys were planned first weren't they? Plus Blurr's role could of been reduced in the movie due to the changes that were made to the movie such as removal of some scenes and different script changes.

Funny you say that. I've read the original Movie adaptation, based on an earlier script, via the part work. Blurr isn't in it. At all. It goes to show how little impact he actually had on The Movie. Wherein the plot is completely unchanged by his absence.