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Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:17 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:After 10 years, Transformers without Micheal Bay sounds almost too good to be true. Even if we are watining for a better director since before first movie was relased.

Well the next film is being made by the director of an Oscar nominated film so you are getting your wish.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

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Well, Bumblebee's spin-off isn't technically a main "Transformers" movie, so there is a risk, that until Transformers 2019, Michael Bay will decide to return, or that they decide to hire Jonathan Liebesman or someone similiar, so so movie would remain essentialy the same.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:13 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:Well, Bumblebee's spin-off isn't technically a main "Transformers" movie, so there is a risk, that until Transformers 2019, Michael Bay will decide to return, or that they decide to hire Jonathan Liebesman or someone similiar, so so movie would remain essentialy the same.

Would you rather Zack Snyder?
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:40 am

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william-james88 wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:Well, Bumblebee's spin-off isn't technically a main "Transformers" movie, so there is a risk, that until Transformers 2019, Michael Bay will decide to return, or that they decide to hire Jonathan Liebesman or someone similiar, so so movie would remain essentialy the same.

Would you rather Zack Snyder?
Or Uwe Boll?
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:47 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:Well, Bumblebee's spin-off isn't technically a main "Transformers" movie, so there is a risk, that until Transformers 2019, Michael Bay will decide to return, or that they decide to hire Jonathan Liebesman or someone similiar, so so movie would remain essentialy the same.

Would you rather Zack Snyder?
HELL NO! And I wouldn't want J.J. Abrams, Joss Whedon, or any other overrated self-important d-bag. Bring on someone who actually does science fiction for science fiction, not to try to simply achieve nerdgasms on screen. Too bad James Cameron is busy with the Avatar sequels. What is Ridley Scott doing? He's done with Alien and Blade Runner by now. Is he starting another Alien prequel so soon?
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:56 am

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william-james88 wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:Well, Bumblebee's spin-off isn't technically a main "Transformers" movie, so there is a risk, that until Transformers 2019, Michael Bay will decide to return, or that they decide to hire Jonathan Liebesman or someone similiar, so so movie would remain essentialy the same.

Would you rather Zack Snyder?
HELL NO! And I wouldn't want J.J. Abrams, Joss Whedon, or any other overrated self-important d-bag. Bring on someone who actually does science fiction for science fiction, not to try to simply achieve nerdgasms on screen. Too bad James Cameron is busy with the Avatar sequels. What is Ridley Scott doing? He's done with Alien and Blade Runner by now. Is he starting another Alien prequel so soon?
Brad Bird is a good choice for rich characterization.

Or if we wanted another director who specializes in stunning visuals (but coupled with an air of sophistication), Kenneth Branagh.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:24 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Or if we wanted another director who specializes in stunning visuals (but coupled with an air of sophistication), Kenneth Branagh.

While I would be all for that, something tells me he wouldnt do it unless he was Optimus prime :lol:
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:12 am

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Bring on someone who actually does science fiction for science fiction, not to try to simply achieve nerdgasms on screen.
I agree, Transformers deserves someone who actually could understand a genre he used to direct.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Stuartmaximus » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:37 am

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get Patty Jenkins to make an Arcee movie :WHISTLE:
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

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Stuartmaximus wrote:get Patty Jenkins to make an Arcee movie :WHISTLE:

That... could work. Considering Wonder Woman is the first good DC movie in a while, she seems to have a thing for fixing long-running movie franchises based on other media :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?


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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

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Stuartmaximus wrote:get Patty Jenkins to make an Arcee movie :WHISTLE:



personally i reckon she should do a TF reboot movie - female led or not.

to be fair to michael bay, the first film was enjoyable and i think the FX work really did bring the concept to life. Unfortunately the franchise fell into a bigger faster more and more cycle that used to be a cliche in hollywood. Sequels have improved over the last decade and franchises have become enjoyable but not all are equal... For every Guardians of the Galaxy 2 there's Pirates...

I'd like a director who understands geek movies better - how characterisation, story and lore are all huge parts of the experience and not only action sequences.

I'll go and watch the last knight at the cinema with an open mind but low expectations. I'm very interested in watching a properly shot 3d movie and not one done in post... and if all else fails, hopefully Freya has some good screen time.
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Interviews of Josh Duhamel, Mark Wahlberg and Michael Bay From USA Today for Transformers: TLK

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:25 pm

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We have two new promotional interview clips from USA Today. You can view them on their website:

Clip 1 features Josh Duhamel and Mark Wahlberg speaking of Bay and his Explosions! :michaelbay:

Clip 2 features Mark Wahlberg and Michael Bay speaking of Sir Anthony Hopkins.

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:33 pm

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I will share this video review of the movie which has no spoilers for the obvious reason that Nostalgia Critic chose to review it without even seeing it. I would be all for a video about predictions, but this one is beyond lame, not even an attempt at making a fun joke.
Plus, its hard to take his word for anything when he says Megatron is always sidelined by a more humanoid looking character and yet he shows Megatron as one of those humanoid looking characters. This is a nonsense review and it wasnt any fun to watch. I too could comment over trailers and just say what I am seeing.

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:15 pm

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william-james88 wrote:I will share this video review of the movie which has no spoilers for the obvious reason that Nostalgia Critic chose to review it without even seeing it. I would be all for a video about predictions, but this one is beyond lame, not even an attempt at making a fun joke.
Plus, its hard to take his word for anything when he says Megatron is always sidelined by a more humanoid looking character and yet he shows Megatron as one of those humanoid looking characters. This is a nonsense review and it wasnt any fun to watch. I too could comment over trailers and just say what I am seeing.



I kinda think you missed the entire point of the video - like he said, it's more an experiment and a spin on his tradition of reviewing the live-action movies since he's tired of reviewing them. Heck, you're proving his point by saying he's just describing the trailers - because his point is that this movie is likely going to be the exact same thing as the last movies. The entire video describes what happened in the other four movies, with the only specific details being Walberg and Knights - which you could switch out respectively with LaBeouf and Dinosaurs/Ancient pyramids/whatever. And I wouldn't call it nonsense for just a single little detail that in all likelihood is just a mistake - if you're resorting to nitpicks when the rest of the video is sound and accurate, that sounds like you've got a pretty weak argument. Everything he's saying is correct, so why do you dismiss the entire argument because of one single picture?

And I've gotta say... yeah, I completely agree with the video. I was thinking of linking it since it's my exact thoughts -- the movies are all basically the same thing with only tiny details or superficial layers switched out. The video is a commentary on the current Hollywood structure and how movie franchises - including and in specific reference to Transformers - continue to be put out despite little to no effort and thought being put into them and providing nothing substantial that hasn't been seen in the first one.

And for what it's worth I thought it was pretty damn funny - Nostalgia Critic's whole deal is over-exaggeration of emotional reactions and describing things in a ridiculous and sarcastic manner. If it's not your thing, fine; but don't say it didn't attempt humour just because the jokes didn't land with you. I got a hell of a lot more entertainment out of this than anything in the movies, I'll say that much.

I'm also not really sure why you're linking a video just to say you didn't like it. If you're at least just linking it to say you disagree with it or there's something brought up you want to discuss, fine; but if you do believe the video is pointless and provides no useless commentary, then what on earth is the point of bringing it up here and ranting about it? I could do that with anything; I could find some random person who doesn't like IDW's Till All Are One and say that what they said is pointless on TAAO's thread, but what would be the point if they didn't bring up anything that I feel could contribute to the discussion?
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:23 pm

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Even if they found a director that made the Transformers "look like they did back in the 80's", and "gave the TF's character" and "made a movie for the fans", the fanboys would still piss and moan.

Honestly, I think Bay has done a tremendous job and I had a gutful of the Bay bashing years ago. I've seen some piss and moan for years about Bay, completely over-looking the fact there are writers involved (who I feel are more to blame) but that didn't matter, they had to hate Bay.

I truly hope they do throw more money at Bay to bring him back, just to piss off the whiny fan boys even more.

But even if he doesn't come back, Bay may go away, unfortunately we'll be stuck with whiny fan boys because nothing will please them.

And at the end of the day, piss and moan about Bay, piss and moan about the movies ... you're still going to watch them.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:36 pm

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To be honest, I'm actually kind of excited at the prospect of a Transformers film without Bay. While I doubt the writing would still not be good and would still have less-than-inspired plots and include embarrassing characters human and cybertronian alike, these are action movies - so primarily, I want to see good action. Bay only just managed to deliver on that in the first movie, and in the subsequent sequels proved that the tricks he had in the first movie were the only ones he actually had -- so it got rather dull and in many respects (Transformium in particular, though there are other aspects) it actually got worse. Seeing that slow motion shot of a Transformer jumping over something for the first time is awesome - when you see it a billion times after? Not so much. Same goes for most of the action; looks cool, but I've seen it so many times by now that it's a broken record. Compare to the Marvel movies, where they manage to use entertaining coreography and use each hero's powers and/or abilities in their own unique ways to create an amazing battlefield. Iron Man, Avengers, Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy; hell, even Ant-Man managed to be great at this. The only one I remember not particularly enjoying is Thor 2, and... well, yeah. Thor 2. It's pretty ****. Point is, the Marvel movies end up having very enjoyable action even though the stories and characters are never anything mindblowing (though I will say I find them likeable enough for a passing grade, unlike say Sam's parents or Drift or Skids).

So... yeah, a new director WOULD be fantastic to me. Even if they fall into the same trap as Bay and repeat cliches over and over and over in the subsequent sequels, at the very least we'd get something new and refreshing the first time round. If Bay doesn't go back on what he said and there is in fact a new director for TF7, I might be enticed to see it and would probably be more excited for it than any previous live-action Transformers movie. Heck, the Bumblebee movie is looking infinitely more promising due to the Kubo director coming in and the movie -allegedly- going for a different direction (something I don't particularly trust, but hopefully I'm proven wrong and we will get something new and awesome).

Also I know it wasn't aimed at me personally; but I'm actually not seeing TLK. The last one I saw in cinemas was Revenge of the Fallen; I only got to see Dark of the Moon and Age of Extinction because it turned out they were on Netflix and that day I just really felt like inflicting pain upon my retinas. ... The plural IS 'retinas', right? It's not really a word I use a plural for a lot. Could've just said 'eyes', but that would just be lame...
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:50 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:"The Final Chapter"

...The f*ck are they talking about?! There's three more damn movies ahead of us! :roll:


To be fair two of them are prequels (Transformers one is an Animated prequel set on Cybertron presumably during the war, and the Bee movie takes place in 1985)
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:56 pm

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I think people are overlooking that Lorenzo di Bonaventura makes a lot of the decisions that the fans hate (He doesn't really like the fans either) and he was always the guy I thought was the worse part instead of say Bay or the script writers.

Heck it was his idea to take two different movies and combine them into one making The last Knight which is probably why it's over complicated.

In my opinion he needs to leave more so then Bay or any of the writers.

Edit: Also doing some digging and it seems that he treats Peter Cullen like crap and never wanted him in the film to the point he attempted to sabotage his audition and apparently refused to let Peter voice both Optimus and Ironhide.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:01 pm

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william-james88 wrote:I will share this video review of the movie which has no spoilers for the obvious reason that Nostalgia Critic chose to review it without even seeing it. I would be all for a video about predictions, but this one is beyond lame, not even an attempt at making a fun joke.
Plus, its hard to take his word for anything when he says Megatron is always sidelined by a more humanoid looking character and yet he shows Megatron as one of those humanoid looking characters. This is a nonsense review and it wasnt any fun to watch. I too could comment over trailers and just say what I am seeing.



Ugh I don't take anything Doug says seriously in regards to these films because he thinks that the people who enjoy the movies are morons and he belittles them too at any opportunity, also he keeps whining about them and constantly brings the movies up in unrelated reviews which is part of what made me stop watching his content in the first place.

Also his screaming schtick is annoying and old.

He is also a major hypocrite since his whole TMNT review basically was him saying "things change from the source material" and yet he doesn't think the same for the Transformers movies.

Then again this video only exists because he is falling out of relevancy and is doing everything to keep his channel alive.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:02 pm

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Kurona wrote:I kinda think you missed the entire point of the video - like he said, it's more an experiment and a spin on his tradition of reviewing the live-action movies since he's tired of reviewing them. Heck, you're proving his point by saying he's just describing the trailers - because his point is that this movie is likely going to be the exact same thing as the last movies.

Sure but I want to be entertained when I watch this guy`s videos. This wasnt entertaining in the least. And there werent predictions. I wanted a full on prediction for his experiment to work but I didnt get anything substantial. As I said, I could do the same, and so could you, there was nothing fun or interesting here about his experiment.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:27 pm

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Kurona wrote:I kinda think you missed the entire point of the video - like he said, it's more an experiment and a spin on his tradition of reviewing the live-action movies since he's tired of reviewing them. Heck, you're proving his point by saying he's just describing the trailers - because his point is that this movie is likely going to be the exact same thing as the last movies.

Sure but I want to be entertained when I watch this guy`s videos. This wasnt entertaining in the least. And there werent predictions. I wanted a full on prediction for his experiment to work but I didnt get anything substantial. As I said, I could do the same, and so could you, there was nothing fun or interesting here about his experiment.

But it was a prediction. His entire point is that with the precedence of how lazy and repetitive the previous movies were, you can easily predict what's going to happen aside from inconsequential details and superficial layers. How is it not a prediction? And personally I thought it was rather entertaining. The way he done it fit his style of humour and satire completely and it worked.

Though once again... I'm really not sure why it's being brought up here when it's not being used to say anything about the topic. It seems more like something that merits its own thread.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

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Kurona wrote: And personally I thought it was rather entertaining. The way he done it fit his style of humour and satire completely and it worked.

Nostalgia Critic, humor pick one.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

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Kurona wrote: And personally I thought it was rather entertaining. The way he done it fit his style of humour and satire completely and it worked.

Nostalgia Critic, humor pick one.

Seems pretty subjective to me. Though I personally think it works out well and he manages to give a new spin on things from a meta perspective to stop it from getting stale.

Though, once again, how is this remotely on-topic?
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:01 pm

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Sigh, movie assholes.

I am pretty much with Burn here. mostly, not entirely, but basically.

By this time tomorrow, I will have seen and most likely enjoyed the movie for what I enjoy it for. So yeah.
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