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I'd say Leader Class is too small for Broadside. I say we need it to take it a step further and make him Titan Class.

Now that a I think about it, his ship mode would make a pretty cool playset...

While Titan Broadside will never happen...it would be pretty awesome. Who knows, at that size they might be able to fit complex enough engineering to give him a good jet mode for once.

Sigma Magnus wrote:While Titan Broadside will never happen...it would be pretty awesome. Who knows, at that size they might be able to fit complex enough engineering to give him a good jet mode for once.

Are you trying to tell me that the flying brick from 1986 is anything less than perfect?

Qwan wrote:So is Legends Bumblebee old news yet, or am I allowed to gush about him still?

This is the place to gush about all Titans Return toys so gush away, loved reading your post!

Cobotron wrote:The thing that blows my mind is, those Seekers sat and blocked the shelves through the entire holiday season, and Target and TRU never once put them on sale. While Walmart currently has all Leader class marked down to $37.something.

If an item isn't moving, and their warehouse is filling up with the next wave of that thing, why would they not mark it down to move it.

I dont know. Didnt HTS have them on deep discounts though? I know amazon did.

Deadput wrote:This guy on twitter has some really great photos of wave 4 figures including Krok and Quake!


https://twitter.com/tagoal

Would you mind sending us a link to the actual post, because all I see is stuff like this:

Kurona wrote:I understand Broadside given he's portrayed as extraordinarily large in a majority of his fictional appearances, but why would they make Blitzwing leader class? He's almost consistently shown to be around the same size of Megatron, Soundwave, Astrotrain, the Seekers etc. I can't recall a single time he was Jetfire or Magnus sized; it's not even like his original toy was particularly big.

Oh god...you really can't argue scale size when it comes to toys! coz it's all over the place & a logistical nightmare, going by your defenition....Fort Max & Metroplex toy would have to be human sized(a REAL human that is) in terms of scale! & the Unicron toy we got would have to be the size of a house or even bigger. nah! toy scale sizes are sods law pal

Rewind had a bit of an existential crisis the other day...

Cobotron wrote:While Walmart currently has all Leader class marked down to $37.something.

Wait, what? When did this happen? The Walmarts around me are still asking full price. Pretty sure they've put Deluxes back to full price, too, unless they forgot to put the right tags on when they did the reset.

Emerje

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Kurona wrote:I understand Broadside given he's portrayed as extraordinarily large in a majority of his fictional appearances, but why would they make Blitzwing leader class? He's almost consistently shown to be around the same size of Megatron, Soundwave, Astrotrain, the Seekers etc. I can't recall a single time he was Jetfire or Magnus sized; it's not even like his original toy was particularly big.

Oh god...you really can't argue scale size when it comes to toys! coz it's all over the place & a logistical nightmare, going by your defenition....Fort Max & Metroplex toy would have to be human sized(a REAL human that is) in terms of scale! & the Unicron toy we got would have to be the size of a house or even bigger. nah! toy scale sizes are sods law pal

I mean, the way things are now is pretty close to correct. Ignoring vehicle mode scale because that will never be right, I'm just going by how the robot modes look in most fictional depictions. And in most fictional depictions; I'd say Voyager is pretty perfect for Blitzwing. Besides, we just got a near-perfect Leader Megatron, it's nice to get a good version of him in another size class.
Scale isn't as huge a problem as people always handwave it as. CHUG's had a pretty good run of accurate robot mode sizes outside of stuff like Leader Seekers which actually ended up making their own fun little scale with Leader Megatron and Leader Soundwave. In terms of robot modes, scale has rarely been an issue in CHUG so I'm not sure why you're just saying "nah we'll never have a correct scale so who cares".
And you still haven't said why you want Blitzwing and his Megatron pretool to be leader. You want them to cost more when they achieve everything they need to - very well, if I might add - at the Voyager price point and size?

Ok hopefully this works Will I'm not exactly a Twitter master these pics are pretty great though.

Brawn
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825526697634050048

Roadburn
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825526086599520256

Quake
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825525356387971072

Krok
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825524920503324673

Perceptor
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825524399742738432

Kup
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825523313216626689


Topspin
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825522071501369344

Broadside
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825520872920190976

Black Shadow has two
https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825417533410811904

https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/825416665366032386

While we have seen a fair number of these already, fellow Seibertronian Deadput has taken the time to link them all and we've decided to share them with the rest of the community - check out below new in-hand images, via toy blogger tagoal on Twitter, for the Titans Return wave 4 legends, deluxes, voyager and leader classes, featuring Roadburn, Brawn, Perceptor, Quake, Krok, Kup, Topspin, Broadside and Black Shadow!

Kurona wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Kurona wrote:I understand Broadside given he's portrayed as extraordinarily large in a majority of his fictional appearances, but why would they make Blitzwing leader class? He's almost consistently shown to be around the same size of Megatron, Soundwave, Astrotrain, the Seekers etc. I can't recall a single time he was Jetfire or Magnus sized; it's not even like his original toy was particularly big.

Oh god...you really can't argue scale size when it comes to toys! coz it's all over the place & a logistical nightmare, going by your defenition....Fort Max & Metroplex toy would have to be human sized(a REAL human that is) in terms of scale! & the Unicron toy we got would have to be the size of a house or even bigger. nah! toy scale sizes are sods law pal

I mean, the way things are now is pretty close to correct. Ignoring vehicle mode scale because that will never be right, I'm just going by how the robot modes look in most fictional depictions. And in most fictional depictions; I'd say Voyager is pretty perfect for Blitzwing. Besides, we just got a near-perfect Leader Megatron, it's nice to get a good version of him in another size class.
Scale isn't as huge a problem as people always handwave it as. CHUG's had a pretty good run of accurate robot mode sizes outside of stuff like Leader Seekers which actually ended up making their own fun little scale with Leader Megatron and Leader Soundwave. In terms of robot modes, scale has rarely been an issue in CHUG so I'm not sure why you're just saying "nah we'll never have a correct scale so who cares".
And you still haven't said why you want Blitzwing and his Megatron pretool to be leader. You want them to cost more when they achieve everything they need to - very well, if I might add - at the Voyager price point and size?

No i never said that i WANTED a Leader Class, i stipulated that i dunno why THEY(meaning HASBRO) haven't made this a leader class? coz as you stated...we got a near perfect Leader Megs previously.

& speaking of things costing more...look at EmirateXaaron's post....he wants Broadside to be Titan Class! which would cost even more than a leader class figure

... oh, man, that Brawn is really pretty actually. I was gonna happily pass because even though he looked good I don't really have a need for the character anymore but... oh my god that paint is really beautiful, especially for a legend.

Krok looks incredible too in a different way. His colours just scream G1 to me, and I'm not just saying that because he is of course a G1 character and those are his colours; just... something about those exact shades and how they're applied really makes it feel like the late 80s toy that inspired him. In a good way.

I'm still not happy with that back of the jet mode Broadside, it just looks like a trainwreck, on the other hand..the other 2 modes look reasonable enough

I still think that base mode of Sky Shadow looks too much like a fan mode, although i do love his robot mode, the jet sitting atop the tank mode...meh...i'm not too interested in.

Man all of these look so good it's going to be really hard to pass up on any of them even if I have to spend carefully.

The base mode for Sky Shadow looks pretty nice actually the most convincing base mode among the leader figures so far it reminds me of a movie like Tron or something I can't remember.

Also it feels great to contribute to the news here gives me that warm "you did something good" feeling.

Good luck getting Keil or Quake at a decent price. They are both shortpacked 1 per case

Is Kup a collector's club exclusive?

Maximal Rainmaker wrote:Is Kup a collector's club exclusive?

Nope, he's part of the wave. Can understand the confusion though, given this is the first Generations Deluxe lineup... ever to have more than 4 new deluxes.

Maximal Rainmaker wrote:Is Kup a collector's club exclusive?

Nope! It was just revealed in their magazine, but it's a general retail figure.

Ok, so catching up here:

1) the leader seekers were a terrible idea. 3 leader repaints in a line that had tons of repaints. It was awful. Skywarp is still clogging the walmart shelves around here, hence why in the past 2 weeks are the first times I've seen wave 1 leaders from TR, and one of the walmarts don't even have TR leaders yet. Now, I like my Thundercracker, but it was still a bad idea.

2) Roadburn, Brawn, Krok, Perceptor, and Sky Shadow are amazing. Broadsides plane mode is still shite. Kup still looks weird.

3) checked my walmarts today. they are out of TR stuff and mostly out of RiD stuff. When asked, they won't be receiving anything TF related for at least 3 weeks due to backorder. So yeah, Transformers on backorder here till at least the end of February.

So there was discussion way back about whether or not Perceptor could achieve his Microman hold over tank mode, and as far as officially (as per the instructions) he could not.

But...


HE CAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Awesome!

Also, do we believe that Topspin employs a similar rotating transformation mechanism as Trigger Happy?

Cobotron wrote:So there was discussion way back about whether or not Perceptor could achieve his Microman hold over tank mode, and as far as officially (as per the instructions) he could not.

But...


HE CAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Awesome!

Also, do we believe that Topspin employs a similar rotating transformation mechanism as Trigger Happy?

Pretty glad to see that actually since Perceptor actually used this mode in Last Stand of the Wreckers - an incarnation of the character that this toy seems to specifically be referencing with it's sculpting details and gun mold.

Cobotron wrote:So there was discussion way back about whether or not Perceptor could achieve his Microman hold over tank mode, and as far as officially (as per the instructions) he could not.

But...


HE CAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Awesome!

Also, do we believe that Topspin employs a similar rotating transformation mechanism as Trigger Happy?

The official pictures for Perceptor already had this mode as well as robot and microscope mode so it's old news.

Deadput wrote:The official pictures for Perceptor already had this mode as well as robot and microscope mode so it's old news.

WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!