Yes. The journey, rather than the destination.sol magnus wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:My main issue with a lot of the Earthrise figures is that they're sporting Earth Modes when they haven't even arrived yet. Which I think is robbing a lot of us from more cybertronian modes to mesh with the Siege figures.
This. Right. Here.
I would've loved to keep up the Siege styled alts, especially seeing Cliffjumpers alt mode in Galaxies, I would have far preferred that alt mode to this one no matter how good the toy is (I'll find out soon).
I wish we could have kept going in that direction, it was a nice unity of futuristic "alien-esque" alt modes
I thought it was the story of the journey to Earth,
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Okay, first off, there's a qualifier on the TLK Bumblebee thing: The proper version obviously wasn't ready in time for the movie's release, but they couldn't very well not have a Bumblebee on the shelves when it came out. Would have been smarter to reuse the DotM mold rather than the AoE mold though.Tuned Agent wrote:From a collector's perspective, I view Siege and Earthrise as two parts of the same (very G1 cartoon-centric) whole. I prefer Siege, but that's simply because Siege had more figures that interested me than ER does. But since G1 cartoon-centric isn't really my thing, many of the figures just don't interest me like they do for much of the rest of the fandom.
From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, I really don't see the SIEGE versions as "lesser" versions - except for SELECTS Smokescreen. I see them as different versions. Heck, since ER Megs' spear looks clunky compared to the SIEGE version's sword, I'd actually call the SIEGE version of Megs the superior one.
Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Okay, first off, there's a qualifier on the TLK Bumblebee thing: The proper version obviously wasn't ready in time for the movie's release, but they couldn't very well not have a Bumblebee on the shelves when it came out. Would have been smarter to reuse the DotM mold rather than the AoE mold though.Tuned Agent wrote:From a collector's perspective, I view Siege and Earthrise as two parts of the same (very G1 cartoon-centric) whole. I prefer Siege, but that's simply because Siege had more figures that interested me than ER does. But since G1 cartoon-centric isn't really my thing, many of the figures just don't interest me like they do for much of the rest of the fandom.
From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one.
I didn't realize Hasbro had put out a statement about that. Or are you just guessing? And if you are, why is your interpretation any more accurate than mine?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, I really don't see the SIEGE versions as "lesser" versions - except for SELECTS Smokescreen. I see them as different versions. Heck, since ER Megs' spear looks clunky compared to the SIEGE version's sword, I'd actually call the SIEGE version of Megs the superior one.
I guess I should clarify what I mean when I say "lesser". I don't mean that they're less quality toys or have less effort put into them, I mean that they're less G1-accurate just enough to get fans interested when a dead-on accurate version is made.
I understand your point about the Siege figures being "different" versions, and I can whole-heartedly agree with that for the seekers. The Siege and ER seeker molds try to be different from each other. But Siege and ER molds for Optimus, Megatron, and the datsuns... don't. They're pretty much the same, the ER molds are just that much more G1-accurate in both modes.
And yes, ER Prime got a trailer, but I'm talking about the base figure. And the trailer doesn't necessarily give a reason for Siege Prime's existence. Siege Prime easily could have gotten the trailer treatment had he been leader class, and they easily could have just released a version of ER Prime without the trailer.
Food for thought: If the Siege and ER versions of these figures were released at the same time, would you buy both? Why or why not?
ZeroWolf wrote:End of the day, are people really complaining that they bought the Siege figures?
Gauntlet101010 wrote:So Siege OP represents buyers remorse, even if he's a great figure all on his own.
I personally think they should have made the alt. mode very different if they were gonna do Prime. Or just not do Prime at all.
Sabrblade wrote:Yes. The journey, rather than the destination.sol magnus wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:My main issue with a lot of the Earthrise figures is that they're sporting Earth Modes when they haven't even arrived yet. Which I think is robbing a lot of us from more cybertronian modes to mesh with the Siege figures.
This. Right. Here.
I would've loved to keep up the Siege styled alts, especially seeing Cliffjumpers alt mode in Galaxies, I would have far preferred that alt mode to this one no matter how good the toy is (I'll find out soon).
I wish we could have kept going in that direction, it was a nice unity of futuristic "alien-esque" alt modes
I thought it was the story of the journey to Earth,
Black Hat wrote:Honestly, with a few exceptions, most of the Siege vehicles can pass as slightly exotic Earth modes. I always liked the idea of the Transformers arriving on Earth in the future, where technology has advanced considerably and human weapons are actually dangerous to them, hence the need for disguise, and Siege fits right in with that.
The only real exceptions to that rule are the Tetrajets (who are too iconic as the Cybertronian Seeker design to pass as future Earth jets), Shockwave (who is fine anyway, as Shockwave almost never has an Earth mode even when he's on Earth) and Soundwave (whose alt mode, cool as it is, is a bit too abstract to work as an Earth vehicle).
I'm making an educated guess based on things that have happened before, AoE and TLK seeming to have lower investment in their toylines than the first three movies, the fact that toys take time to develop and the movie kinda set an inflexible deadline for having product on the shelves, and the fact that Bumblebee is a staple character that they couldn't not have a toy of in stores when the movie came out.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Okay, first off, there's a qualifier on the TLK Bumblebee thing: The proper version obviously wasn't ready in time for the movie's release, but they couldn't very well not have a Bumblebee on the shelves when it came out. Would have been smarter to reuse the DotM mold rather than the AoE mold though.Tuned Agent wrote:From a collector's perspective, I view Siege and Earthrise as two parts of the same (very G1 cartoon-centric) whole. I prefer Siege, but that's simply because Siege had more figures that interested me than ER does. But since G1 cartoon-centric isn't really my thing, many of the figures just don't interest me like they do for much of the rest of the fandom.
From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one.
I didn't realize Hasbro had put out a statement about that. Or are you just guessing? And if you are, why is your interpretation any more accurate than mine?
I know that that's what you meant,and I don't agree with you.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, I really don't see the SIEGE versions as "lesser" versions - except for SELECTS Smokescreen. I see them as different versions. Heck, since ER Megs' spear looks clunky compared to the SIEGE version's sword, I'd actually call the SIEGE version of Megs the superior one.
I guess I should clarify what I mean when I say "lesser". I don't mean that they're less quality toys or have less effort put into them, I mean that they're less G1-accurate just enough to get fans interested when a dead-on accurate version is made.
1. For the umpteenth bloody time, Smokescreen is the only confirmed ER Datsun so far. And Smokescreen's SIEGE version was A. extra-off compared to Prowl and Bluestreak and B. not as accessible.Tuned Agent wrote:But Siege and ER molds for Optimus, Megatron, and the datsuns... don't. They're pretty much the same, the ER molds are just that much more G1-accurate in both modes.
No, he couldn't have. Because they had just done a G1 cartoon Optimus Prime with trailer at the Leader-class price point in Power of the Primes. Did you completely overlook that? Thanks to PotP, the Warden-obligatory Leader Optimus in SIEGE had to be something different. But they still wanted a more G1 Optimus in there (As far as Generations goes, Optimus is the new Bumblebee).Tuned Agent wrote:And yes, ER Prime got a trailer, but I'm talking about the base figure. And the trailer doesn't necessarily give a reason for Siege Prime's existence. Siege Prime easily could have gotten the trailer treatment had he been leader class,
But then they wouldn't have had a G1 Optimus at the Voyager price point in SIEGE.Tuned Agent wrote:and they easily could have just released a version of ER Prime without the trailer.
Seekers? Yes. Optimus? Yes. Smokescreen? No, because unlike with Prowl and Bluestreak there's the factor of the racing add-ons to his car mode so I'd only get the Earthrise (especially since that's also pretty sure not to be an exclusive). Megatron? No. I'd only get the SIEGE version.Tuned Agent wrote:Food for thought: If the Siege and ER versions of these figures were released at the same time, would you buy both? Why or why not?
He's still in stock at Action Robo.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And for those of us who didn't get SELECTS Smokescreen, he's now hard to find.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Wolfman Jake wrote:What I think a lot of adult collectors don't appreciate with the Siege and Earthrise Smokescreen situation is that the "Generations Selects" line that we love so much isn't very accessible to kids buying these toys, especially on a casual basis. Siege Smokescreen was an online only offering with a pre-order window to match production to demand and minimize waste. That's very different than a mainline, mass market release, which is what Earthrise Smokescreen is. We already got Prowl in Siege and Bluestreak was available as a Walmart exclusive for months last year. You can STILL find him in some areas. If you're only buying what you can physically get in a brick and mortar store, then Earthrise Smokescreen isn't really a repeat, but a fulfillment of the Datsun Autobot trio that started in Siege.
With that said, I totally do want an Earthrise Prowl and Bluestreak based off the new Smokescreen mold, but I understand if those will be relegated to "Generations Selects" or some other exclusive outlet this time.
Wolfman Jake wrote:With that said, I totally do want an Earthrise Prowl and Bluestreak based off the new Smokescreen mold, but I understand if those will be relegated to "Generations Selects" or some other exclusive outlet this time.
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:With that said, I totally do want an Earthrise Prowl and Bluestreak based off the new Smokescreen mold, but I understand if those will be relegated to "Generations Selects" or some other exclusive outlet this time.
Honestly, same. As much as Earthrise Smokescreen would probably work well with Siege Prowl and Bluestreak, I do want a Prowl and Bluestreak from the Earthrise Smokescreen mold (preferably with a retooled front end/chest and rear end/feet to remove the racing elements). I think it just looks better than the Siege Datsun mold proportionally.
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:With that said, I totally do want an Earthrise Prowl and Bluestreak based off the new Smokescreen mold, but I understand if those will be relegated to "Generations Selects" or some other exclusive outlet this time.
Honestly, same. As much as Earthrise Smokescreen would probably work well with Siege Prowl and Bluestreak, I do want a Prowl and Bluestreak from the Earthrise Smokescreen mold (preferably with a retooled front end/chest and rear end/feet to remove the racing elements). I think it just looks better than the Siege Datsun mold proportionally.
If they do a significantly retooled Prowl from this mold and use that as the basis for a blue sided Bluestreak, then I'd be interested, but I'd rather they be SELECTS rather than mainline. As it stands, Siege Bluestreak and Smokescreen work well enough imo.
ZeroWolf wrote:I reckon the next commander class will be a con, but who? Plus I doubt you'll ever get that commander class Magnus, it'd throw his robot mode completely out of scale. Rodimus however, I can see him in part three. Would be a good thing to go along with Unicron. Ditto for Galvaltron, Cyclonus etc. All depends on where the story goes really L, but I'd be suprised if plans weren't altered when they learned unicron had been funded.
I'd still love for unicron to be given his own army in the fiction (one that wasn't just Beast Wars characters with added spikes) and a new Sideways to lead them
Hey, they did it in the MP line (which also cares about scale) didn't they? And Commander Class is really the only way to get a trailer for him that can carry 4 Deluxes, especially a G1-accurate trailer.ZeroWolf wrote:I reckon the next commander class will be a con, but who? Plus I doubt you'll ever get that commander class Magnus, it'd throw his robot mode completely out of scale.
IMO we're covered as far as Galvatron goes, but maybe they'd reissue him with tweaks.ZeroWolf wrote:Rodimus however, I can see him in part three. Would be a good thing to go along with Unicron. Ditto for Galvaltron, Cyclonus etc.
Eh, aside from stuff like the Netflix redecoes, I'm fairly sure the story has no real bearing on these toys. For one thing, the story they're really being made to go with is the G1 cartoon. For another, the new fiction is being made to go with the toys, not the other way 'round. As the original cartoon was, as Beast Wars was, as RiD (2001) was, as the Unicron Trilogy was, as certain elements of Animated were...ZeroWolf wrote:All depends on where the story goes really
Is that an IDW reference or are you referring to the Universe (2003) storyline?ZeroWolf wrote:I'd still love for unicron to be given his own army in the fiction (one that wasn't just Beast Wars characters with added spikes)
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