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[Deadput]

As for the Springer argument, I know that T30 Springer is based off the IDW design, I never said it wasn't. And I'm glad it is, because it's a better design/better version of the G1 design and it made Siege Springer an easy pass. The original argument was that Springer, among others, had not received a "proper" mainline figure in 30 years, despite T30 Springer very much being a mainline figure of the character Springer

I understand that based on the actual character only then Springer did indeed has had toys over the years.

The thing is though, it was not "The G1" Springer, just a general Springer figure that resembles the base character traits of Springer.

When people mean "proper" like that person said, sure he might of misspoke but they most likely mean the original character (or most well known version of them), for Springer it would be the original design.

Now whether said design is better or worse then say the IDW version is not important here, I think the IDW version is Springer's best design but it's still not the original.

And out of his toys since his original G1 figure which one of these does the best job of replicating him?









This is just one character example, for Optimus Prime...sure he might of had a lot of figures to the point we are drowning in him but he's the main mascot of the franchise and people got upset when Hasbro killed him off back in the day so he will always be around now thanks to the reception back then.

For modern standard Generation figures the Optimus Prime ones have been mostly good Prime toys but still not enough for some people to scratch their itches for a good Optimus toy that does the original design justice, and arguably they have only done this concept well recently with the POTP/Siege/Earthrise/Bumblebee figures from the last few years, all the others have been their own Optimus Prime designs incorporating their own concepts.

[Skritz]

Btw, notice how you guys never hear me complain about guys like Springer. There is a reason for that.

[bacem]

I am probably one of those that is on middle ground, where i just collect whichever looks cool in my taste, regardless if they are g1 or other characters. It just so happens that in a lot of case, a very g1 style is not cool in my taste, which is why i do not have a lot of interest in MP (my wallet are grateful for that). In the case of springer, T30 version is still my favorite. I bought and played with siege springer, but in the end i sold it as it felt "too g1" for me. Same case with siege megs. That being said tho, siege is still a wonderful toyline that satisfy me a lot. I dig optimus, ironhide and hound that while based on g1, also defiate enough to make them look different. I appreciate characters like jetfire that homage both his cartoon and toy look, or the weaponizer guys, that can become upgrade kit for other figures. They also bring on some of the few g1 design that i like, like skythread and impactor. I also appreciate how they mix a bit of non g1 character like galaxy optimus, hot shot, abd barricade, even if they are just repaints. So overall, while i am not on hardcore g1 team, siege is still a big win to me.

[william-james88]

I am probably one of those that is on middle ground, where i just collect whichever looks cool in my taste, regardless if they are g1 or other characters.

That's how I am and always have been. I will admit I have a soft spot for beast wars so if they release a particular character in a line I will be inclined to check that out. But usually a cool toy is just that, a cool toy, and I want in.

Now regarding Siege, I got a lot of new stuff and I would like to talk about it.

I got the fan vote 3 pack and I absolutely love both the Mirage mold and Impactor. I like the transformation on both of them and with Mirage, I like it so much that I might pick up the non transluscent one to better appreciate the result you get from the transformation since the various details and intricacies don't really come out as well on this clear blue version. And Impactor is a dead ringer for cyberdefense Scattershot (or Dropshot).

Astrotrain is fine. I have almost no issues with the main robot component. The front of the shuttle bothers me more than the back which doesn't look as gappy in hand. The contrast between how straight and blocky the front s compared to the more narrow and sculpted/details back half is very jarring though. My big issue is I don't feel the tender gives us much. With Shockwave, the extra stuff made a huge different in alt mode and for Magnus (and Prime), the extra stuff gave them their actual looks. But with Astrotrain, the only place where the extra stuff makes a difference, to me, is in alt mode and even then it doesn't add as much as it does with the other leaders. That tender doesn't look great and it even looks upside down with the treads and wheels on the top (it would look upside down either way). So my issue here is more that I dont care for the big accessory here and it doesn't add as much as the previous extras for the leader class. So, in this particular case, I would have much preffered him simply being released as a voyager.

Apeface is not fun. The white is as bad as it looked in the worst images and the modes are as bad or worse than what I expected. I really really hate this kind of construction where crucial aspects of stability of the jet and beast mode rest on thin panels (like we saw in T30 Blitzwing). I really thought we were done with these types of plastics and designs. He just feels and looks cheap, which is odd since no other toy in the siege line is like this to me. Also, what's the trick with tabbing in the jet cockpit? Feels like fitting a square peg in a round hole.


EDIT: Once again, I forget that chromia is in the siege line, can't speak for her since I did not pick her up.

[blackeyedprime]

sad to hear on Apeface, I'm waiting on Snapdragon before deciding if I want him (otherwise it will be G1 or KFC for the duo if and when some cash falls out of a tree).

[Sentinel_Primal]

Also, what's the trick with tabbing in the jet cockpit?

What do you mean? I haven't heard of any trick being needed of the cockpit, only the beast mode neck. If you're having that much difficulty, it may be possible that you got a figure with bad QC. Though, considering how many reviewers have said Apeface isn't good, it's much more likely that I'm just blind to his faults because of how much I like his design and gimmicks the same way I ignore T30 Doubledealer's faults (never got Blitzwing, didn't like how small the faces looked)

[Nathaniel Prime]

Also, what's the trick with tabbing in the jet cockpit?

What do you mean? I haven't heard of any trick being needed of the cockpit, only the beast mode neck. If you're having that much difficulty, it may be possible that you got a figure with bad QC. Though, considering how many reviewers have said Apeface isn't good, it's much more likely that I'm just blind to his faults because of how much I like his design and gimmicks the same way I ignore T30 Doubledealer's faults (never got Blitzwing, didn't like how small the faces looked)

There's a special tab on the shield/tail wing piece of Siege Apeface that tabs into a special slot on the back of jet mode. This way, you don't have to use the 5mm port and potentially break it. I don't know for sure if that's true, since my source is a bunch of buddies on Discord.

Edit: Oops, I didn't read the "cockpit" part

[aronjlove]

Apeface is not fun. The white is as bad as it looked in the worst images and the modes are as bad or worse than what I expected. I really really hate this kind of construction where crucial aspects of stability of the jet and beast mode rest on thin panels (like we saw in T30 Blitzwing). I really thought we were done with these types of plastics and designs. He just feels and looks cheap, which is odd since no other toy in the siege line is like this to me. Also, what's the trick with tabbing in the jet cockpit? Feels like fitting a square peg in a round hole.

I am both amazingly pleased and sadly disappointed in Apeface. The beastmode Ape is freaking awesome! The robot mode, while originally seeming awesome, has lost some of its shine. The lack of articulation to other figures in the Siege line, especially the lack of waist swivel, make this figure not as "cool". Still glad I got him though. Someone else pointed out that it feels like Apeface was a leftover Titans Return figure that they slapped some paint effects on and called it Siege.

[william-james88]

Apeface is not fun. The white is as bad as it looked in the worst images and the modes are as bad or worse than what I expected. I really really hate this kind of construction where crucial aspects of stability of the jet and beast mode rest on thin panels (like we saw in T30 Blitzwing). I really thought we were done with these types of plastics and designs. He just feels and looks cheap, which is odd since no other toy in the siege line is like this to me. Also, what's the trick with tabbing in the jet cockpit? Feels like fitting a square peg in a round hole.

I am both amazingly pleased and sadly disappointed in Apeface. The beastmode Ape is freaking awesome! The robot mode, while originally seeming awesome, has lost some of its shine. The lack of articulation to other figures in the Siege line, especially the lack of waist swivel, make this figure not as "cool". Still glad I got him though. Someone else pointed out that it feels like Apeface was a leftover Titans Return figure that they slapped some paint effects on and called it Siege.

He feels more like a leftover T30 figure to me.

[Cobotron]

Can I sit in that chair next to you?

I don't usually like to go negative on toys. They're just toys. But, I couldn't agree more with your statement. What a heaping underwhelming pile of disappointment. The majority of figures in this line have raised the bar on mainline mass retail TFs, but Apeface is 10 steps back.

I'm convinced he is a hold out concept from Titans Return, that they just dug back up to fill space. I had plenty of fun with TR, don't get me wrong, but advancements have been made even in the short time between lines, and it feels weird to put Apeface in league with 80% of the Siege toys.

I will continue to at least try to find some redeeming qualities in his robot mode, but first I have to digest my disappointment.

[Sabrblade]

And people in the Hall of Fame thread were upset over Siege Apeface's absence from the poll.

[Wolfman Jake]

Someone else pointed out that it feels like Apeface was a leftover Titans Return figure that they slapped some paint effects on and called it Siege.

Maybe one day, we'll know the truth. Every once in a while, we get a nice little nugget of behind-the-scenes information on Transformers development years after the fact. It could be that Apeface (and Snapdragon) were originally planned for Titans Return, but were shelved for some reason, just like the Titan Masters for Optimus Primal and Toraizer. Maybe if we had gotten Voyager Class Apeface and Snapdragon then, their repaints would have been the rumored Optimus Primal and Beast Wars Megatron we heard about. Perhaps they would have been in the other two 5-piece box sets for Intelligence and Firepower that were "canceled," along with the still unreleased outside of Japan Apex Bomber.

[william-james88]

And people in the Hall of Fame thread were upset over Siege Apeface's absence from the poll.

Wasnt related to the toy though, no one thinks its amazing. The annoyance was more a tongue in cheek statement that hasbro was avoiding any beast type bots at all cost.

And cobo, you can always sit right by me!

[aronjlove]

Someone else pointed out that it feels like Apeface was a leftover Titans Return figure that they slapped some paint effects on and called it Siege.

Maybe one day, we'll know the truth. Every once in a while, we get a nice little nugget of behind-the-scenes information on Transformers development years after the fact. It could be that Apeface (and Snapdragon) were originally planned for Titans Return, but were shelved for some reason, just like the Titan Masters for Optimus Primal and Toraizer. Maybe if we had gotten Voyager Class Apeface and Snapdragon then, their repaints would have been the rumored Optimus Primal and Beast Wars Megatron we heard about. Perhaps they would have been in the other two 5-piece box sets for Intelligence and Firepower that were "canceled," along with the still unreleased outside of Japan Apex Bomber.

That's the juicy stuff that brought me to this site in the first place.

[blackeyedprime]

Apeface is unlikely to be a TR throwback as he doesnt have the spring gimmick TR voyagers have to make their heads look bigger (Maybe a Potp throwback as it was a mixed bag of ideas/range) or if it was, it would have been a 'large' deluxe. Just as likely one of the figures that have gone backwards in Siege or jumped forward in sieges pricing of a smaller class as a higher priced figure.

[Nemesis Primal]

Deadput, you are a gentleman and a scholar, and I can't help but feel like we might be going in a circle of making the same points on how people see the figures now, so I at least am going to just agree to disagree and move on.

I am probably one of those that is on middle ground, where i just collect whichever looks cool in my taste, regardless if they are g1 or other characters. It just so happens that in a lot of case, a very g1 style is not cool in my taste, which is why i do not have a lot of interest in MP (my wallet are grateful for that). In the case of springer, T30 version is still my favorite. I bought and played with siege springer, but in the end i sold it as it felt "too g1" for me. Same case with siege megs. That being said tho, siege is still a wonderful toyline that satisfy me a lot. I dig optimus, ironhide and hound that while based on g1, also defiate enough to make them look different. I appreciate characters like jetfire that homage both his cartoon and toy look, or the weaponizer guys, that can become upgrade kit for other figures. They also bring on some of the few g1 design that i like, like skythread and impactor. I also appreciate how they mix a bit of non g1 character like galaxy optimus, hot shot, abd barricade, even if they are just repaints. So overall, while i am not on hardcore g1 team, siege is still a big win to me.

Yup, this right here is how it is for me as well. Regardless of preferences, it seems like pretty much everyone here agrees that Siege is just spectacular, which is awesome.

Now then, what's wrong with Apeface? Sure his jet mode is kinda blocky, but other than that I have no issues with him.

[aronjlove]

Now then, what's wrong with Apeface? Sure his jet mode is kinda blocky, but other than that I have no issues with him.

He is an awesome figure on his own but next to other Siege figures I notice the lack of wrist, waist, and ankle articulation I think is sort of a selling point on the Siege line. Apeface can't hold the same poses in group photos like Refraktor, the Seekers, or even Megatron.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Now then, what's wrong with Apeface? Sure his jet mode is kinda blocky, but other than that I have no issues with him.

He is an awesome figure on his own but next to other Siege figures I notice the lack of wrist, waist, and ankle articulation I think is sort of a selling point on the Siege line. Apeface can't hold the same poses in group photos like Refraktor, the Seekers, or even Megatron.

He has ankle articulation, and many of the Siege Decepticons don't have wrist swivels. Waist swivel is a bit more frustrating

[william-james88]

And now it broke, great. This toy can **** right off.

[Cobotron]

DAAAAANG!

[aronjlove]

And now it broke, great. This toy can **** right off.

Edit: That freaking sucks dude. I am so afraid of that happening to mine. I wish there was a way to reinforce the peg...

[TF-fan kev777]

That sucks, big time. It is asinine that they thought it was a good idea to use clear plastic for that piece.

[aronjlove]

That sucks, big time. It is asinine that they thought it was a good idea to use clear plastic for that piece.

Especially because the painted piece ends up being a different shade than the wings themselves.

[Sabrblade]

We were warned about that breakage, and now it has struck again.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

My Siege Flywheels enjoyed a good family day with his pap and Brother (kudos to those who get the reference in the 3rd pic). Mold is pretty good, I like both him and Slamdance. He's kind of a sleeper from the line to me