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[Deadput]

and there absolutely was a comment about what was intended

Then please give a link. I don't get how something can be so absolute and yet no one is bothering to show any confirmation. This could just be your interpretation of something you read, like people who were sure we'd get the coneheads in siege.

I don't bookmark what I read, it's just something I remember.

Trying to find it on Tfw2005 right now, I found a post on there so far from a user named tigatron2002 who claims that

not likely, wave 5 wasnt planned, it was a late addition to the line because retailers wanted more. astrotrain and spinister were pulled from earthrise (we know this for fact thanks to early distributor listings), ratbat and rumble were also likely pulled from earthrise along with the battle patrol (ratbat and rumble look significantly more like earth tapes than ravage and laserbeak), rung was probably pulled from earthrise with singe being an easy repaint to release alongside spinister to get both his partners out and crosshairs was likely pulled from generations selects

Still trying to find more info but I'm leaving this for now.


Edit: Here's another older post from another user named JtPrime17

We don't have 100% confirmation or know if they were supposed to be wave 1, but we do have evidence that At least Apeface and the Micromaster Rumble and Ratbat pack were originally supposed to be released in Earthrise but were brought forward to siege.

Let me Explain. For Hasbro's internal listings they usually use abbreviations for their placeholders for their products. For example all the Earthrise figures use "TRA GEN WFC E" and all the siege figures just use "TRA GEN WFC". Lets just say we could of known a lot sooner about Earthrise than before the NYCC reveal. Back in July when Siege's wave 5 internal listings were found in Walmart's system all the figures used the Usual Siege abbreviations besides Apeface and the one Micromaster pack. Of course I didn't dig deeper into it a the time because I thought it was just a Typo. Of course after Earthrise was revealed I went back and looked into it. And What do you know Hasbro didn't cleanup their listings all the way and the original product descriptions listed Earthrise right there in the title. It's been all cleaned up now unfortunately, but listings can still be found of Apeface and the Mircos still using the Earthrise abbreviations.

https://hasbropulse.com/products/tra-ge ... r-ape-face (look in the URL)

https://brickseek.com/walmart-inventory ... =864234039 - BrickSeek

Still looking, but doesn't it seem strange that Starscream is the only Decepticon (not including the Micromasters) at all?

[Sentinel_Primal]

Didn't the leaks for wave 5 pre-date any leaks for Earthrise and people assumed that the leaks were for part 2 given the time of year?

[ZeroWolf]

Problem there is if wave five wasn't planned then they must have done a very quick turn around on the Astrotrain and other designs, as we know there is a lengthy design process.

If course it isn't clear cut as you could say that they were developed early on for incursion but dropped from the regular waves then picked back up again with Wave 5

[william-james88]

Thanks for those links and effort Deadput, but yeah as you might have guessed I am still not convinced of anything since there isn't anything related to astrotrain and there is no word there from Hasbro, just fans guessing things and wrongfully claiming it as fact (like that first quote which misremembers the listings). Memory works in a funny way and maybe you put two comments together and remember it in a different way. Plus, the one with the "evidence" for being part of earthrise is apeface who has a cybertronian ship mode and casettes to go with a siege toy? Any logic just falls apart right there. Lets just say I remain skeptical about any absolutes (as anyone should) and I truly think there are just a bunch of toys ready out there for the trilogy as a whole and when they come out specifically doesn't matter that much.

[AcademyofDrX]

News staff: known faker makes list of "leaks," we'll post it as a rumor

Also news staff: I don't care what reasoning you have, I won't acknowledge the possibility of this supposition unless you have a notarized letter personally signed by John Warden

To your actual point, it's totally fair to challenge it as accepted truth when it's just stuff that people are batting around forums. There's evidence to suggest that Astrotrain was intended for Earthrise, but nothing to prove it. I'm personally happy that there's a high level of continuity across the WfC sub-lines so that they all fit well together.

[Hellscream9999]

News staff: known faker makes list of "leaks," we'll post it as a rumor

Also news staff: I don't care what reasoning you have, I won't acknowledge the possibility of this supposition unless you have a notarized letter personally signed by John Warden

To your actual point, it's totally fair to challenge it as accepted truth when it's just stuff that people are batting around forums. There's evidence to suggest that Astrotrain was intended for Earthrise, but nothing to prove it. I'm personally happy that there's a high level of continuity across the WfC sub-lines so that they all fit well together.

I mean, to be fair, they could have seen the demand and pushed up the timetables for 2 of the earthrise molds - remember, though new, crosshairs is the pre-tooled partner for ironhide and thus the mold for his head should have already existed and may have been an easy out to freshen up this new wave.

All they would have had to do would be to focus finishing spinister and astrotrain and then make them, and push back earthrise, it would give them solid pr to back up that siege was very successful for them in their earnings reports.

Both astrotrain and spinister have very earthen aspects about them and makes sense that they were set to be released in earthrise, but had qualities surrounding them that made them the choice to be released early, this, I feel is logically the most likely answer, but I would be fascinated to hear an argument against

[Wolfman Jake]

Just got notice today from Hasbro Pulse that my Siege Crosshairs and Spinister have been shipped out! I should have them by Monday.

Now, I just have to wait on Astrotrain, and I'll be all set. I got Apeface and all the Micromasters already, and Rung and Singe are on the way from BBTS.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Scourge with Fracas, looking good

[aronjlove]

Just got notice today from Hasbro Pulse that my Siege Crosshairs and Spinister have been shipped out! I should have them by Monday.

Now, I just have to wait on Astrotrain, and I'll be all set. I got Apeface and all the Micromasters already, and Rung and Singe are on the way from BBTS.

AAarrrgagashdgahsdgka, I feel like a fool. I cancelled my Hasbro Pulse preorder and preordered Spinister on Amazon 3 weeks ago. Now he's sold out on Pulse and gotta wait for Amazon to release

[Deadput]

Thanks for those links and effort Deadput, but yeah as you might have guessed I am still not convinced of anything since there isn't anything related to astrotrain and there is no word there from Hasbro, just fans guessing things and wrongfully claiming it as fact (like that first quote which misremembers the listings). Memory works in a funny way and maybe you put two comments together and remember it in a different way. Plus, the one with the "evidence" for being part of earthrise is apeface who has a cybertronian ship mode and casettes to go with a siege toy? Any logic just falls apart right there. Lets just say I remain skeptical about any absolutes (as anyone should) and I truly think there are just a bunch of toys ready out there for the trilogy as a whole and when they come out specifically doesn't matter that much.

I suppose I'm misremebering but what I remember was a comment from Warden or some other Hasbro rep at I think a recent convention (the one where wave one of Earthrise was revealed)

But yeah, I have no real proof and it's speculation, now I'm personally on the belief that Astrotrain absolutely was an Earthrise figure that was moved up to Siege, Crosshairs I'm certain was just one of those pre planned head sculpts that Hasbro does for figures and they decided to use him as line filler instead of something like Selects or not using them at all (Remember things like Hardhead from generations Warpath?) but overall the rest is speculation.


And personally justification on why Apeface is a tad of a disaster, being rushed would explain it's issues besides the other probably idea that Hasbro dropped the ball entirely with him.

[Fuseflow]

If astrotrain was brought up from earthrise, we may never know for certain, that could only be a good sign.

It means Siege sold well enough that they added more to the line, and will probably add more to Earthrise to compensate.

I'd imagine they always hold prototype molds for testing and concept just sometimes they don't make the final cut. If demand is there they'll get to do more. It's probably what happened with those who didn't win the fan vote.

[SiegeFan]

I appreciate the Siege G1 Refraktor pack's RRP is usually insane, but if it's ever on sale like at In Demand Toys here in the UK grab it. The camera mode is absolutely worth it, total showpiece.

Actually ordered another one to split into the three bots!

Also another Spinister; that dude's brilliant in both modes, really dynamic in every way and the colours that might look initially horrible really are great when he's posed.

[Rogue-Primal]

Small problem with siege ravage. The instructions arent very helpful but his small silver feet often get tangled and his black transformation joints are literally too tight.
How do i avoid breaking him? I've been keeping him in panther mode since i got him.

[Skritz]

Also another Spinister; that dude's brilliant in both modes, really dynamic in every way and the colours that might look initially horrible really are great when he's posed.

How DARE you bismirch the neon glory of late G1?!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Look who i found at a local Target



I'm actually digging him so far. I really like the Ape mode, and the robot mode aesthetic is really nice

[SiegeFan]

Also another Spinister; that dude's brilliant in both modes, really dynamic in every way and the colours that might look initially horrible really are great when he's posed.

How DARE you bismirch the neon glory of late G1?!

Heh, I'll have the late 80s ski jacket community after me too if I'm not careful.

[aronjlove]

Look who i found at a local Target



I'm actually digging him so far. I really like the Ape mode, and the robot mode aesthetic is really nice

He is such a nice update. For all his perceived flaws, the positives are far greater. I like how his chest plate even looks like it should be opened to see his stats like the original Apeface. He feels really solid in hand. And as much as I miss not having waist swivel, I'm starting to realize it probably wouldn't have worked with the ape mode. And it is such a nice ape mode.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Look who i found at a local Target



I'm actually digging him so far. I really like the Ape mode, and the robot mode aesthetic is really nice

He is such a nice update. For all his perceived flaws, the positives are far greater. I like how his chest plate even looks like it should be opened to see his stats like the original Apeface. He feels really solid in hand. And as much as I miss not having waist swivel, I'm starting to realize it probably wouldn't have worked with the ape mode. And it is such a nice ape mode.

Honestly, Apeface is probably my toy of the year. He's a great update, plus I love the design. I can't wait for Snapdragon to be announced. Granted, the major flaw of his, I tend to avoid. The second I tried to remove the shield and it didn't easily budge, I grabbed something that I could slide under the shield to the base of the post to try and gently get it out, and that's the only way I ever try to get it out. The only flaw my copy has that I can't avoid is that his gun doesn't like staying pegged into the nosecone of the jet

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I'm glad to see you both having such positive thoughts on Apeface. I too am really enjoying here!

robot mode aesthetic is really nice, and I love the battle damage look for the figure. i also love how all the alt mode pieces come together and tab together.

Ape mode is the best mode to me, I love the posable head and beefy body. He is really expressive. The one thing i wish he had had that he doesn't is another hinge or swivel for his ape arms, but otherwise it is really good.

Jet mode is blocky but still really fun to swoosh around, I enjoy it as well.

He also goes really well with his TR mini-Me: gun for robot, ape duo, and then mother ship and fighter escort. Really good pair.

Overall, I think Apeface is my favorite voyager of the line. Prime may be better technically to me, but Apeface is proving to be more fun than the seeker, Prime, and Megatron molds to me. He is really enjoyable.

[aronjlove]

Since we are talking Apeface, I started looking at his ape hands. I wouldn't leave him this way for an extended period of time, but the shoulder joint is strong enough to hold his body weight so he can hang for a photo.

[Bounti76]

He's shown up at online retailers, we've had video reviews but now we finally have a sighting of the original Cybertronian ape himself, Siege Apeface! Seibertronian D_Maximal-Primal found him at a Targét in Robinson, Pennsylvania. Yours truly found him the same day at a Walmart in Centerville, Utah. Included below is D-Max's photo proof and unboxed figure, and I've included some comparison photos with my own G1 Apeface, and his Titans Return incarnation. While you're enjoying this Apefacefest, why not check out Seibertron's own, high-quality galleries of the triple-changer Horrorcon by clicking here?














If you're out and about, and spot a new and/or anticipated figure, and there hasn't been a news item about it yet, just snap a picture as D_Max has done, and send it to us! Don't forget to post in your state's sightings forum as well, and let's see if we can get this figure into the hands of everyone who wants him.

[SGMLordMirage]

Good find, I found him over the weekend at two Targets where I am at in Virginia. I posted that under the Sightings Forum for Virginia.

SGM

[Lore Keeper]

Walmarts are carrying him too. Spotted one in Kentucky last week.

[o.supreme]

I thought Apeface had been out for a while, saw him at Walmart yesterday. I fear I won't be seeing Astrotrain soon though as stores in my area are overstocked with Leaders. Something I haven't seen in years

[Aimless Misfire]

I got him at Walmart a few days ago. I put the TR head on him, looks much better.