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[Hellscream9999]

Just got into my springer, and my god, what an awful figure, such a needlessly, idiotic, overwrought design; gonna have to sit down with some videos and see what I’m doing wrong cuz the directions weren’t made to handle cuddly designs like his

[Nathaniel Prime]

Just got into my springer, and my god, what an awful figure, such a needlessly, idiotic, overwrought design; gonna have to sit down with some videos and see what I’m doing wrong cuz the directions weren’t made to handle cuddly designs like his

The instructions of a mini bot nowadays are really hard to understand, so I don't think they would get any better with a Voyager triplechanger.

Anything in particular you don't like about the figure?(Besides the obvious Crayola colors and GEEWUN)

[Hellscream9999]

Just got into my springer, and my god, what an awful figure, such a needlessly, idiotic, overwrought design; gonna have to sit down with some videos and see what I’m doing wrong cuz the directions weren’t made to handle cuddly designs like his

The instructions of a mini bot nowadays are really hard to understand, so I don't think they would get any better with a Voyager triplechanger.

Anything in particular you don't like about the figure?(Besides the obvious Crayola colors and GEEWUN)

It’s overly fiddly to the point of irritation to try and get everything lined up for one mode, the latch’s that are supposed to hold him together in a vehicle mode just don’t line up or don’t take, and I just don’t see how this is better than the gen version we got a few years back which had character, and was way more concise with its transformation

[Short Circuit]

I’m sorry. I think I was thinking of Nightstick. I see what you mean now.

[Hellscream9999]

Now on the other hand, I got to spend some time with jetfire, and other than being, just everything in a toy; I discovered that he came with no screws in his left forearm

So if anyone can tell me if I can source them at a Home Depot, that’d be great

[ZeroWolf]

Now on the other hand, I got to spend some time with jetfire, and other than being, just everything in a toy; I discovered that he came with no screws in his left forearm

So if anyone can tell me if I can source them at a Home Depot, that’d be great

Sorry to hear that, sounds counterproductive but unscrew the right forearm screws so you know what size you need. I can't see you being unable to get any.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I’m sorry. I think I was thinking of Nightstick. I see what you mean now.

And I'm sorry for exploding.

Just got into my springer, and my god, what an awful figure, such a needlessly, idiotic, overwrought design; gonna have to sit down with some videos and see what I’m doing wrong cuz the directions weren’t made to handle cuddly designs like his

The instructions of a mini bot nowadays are really hard to understand, so I don't think they would get any better with a Voyager triplechanger.

Anything in particular you don't like about the figure?(Besides the obvious Crayola colors and GEEWUN)

It’s overly fiddly to the point of irritation to try and get everything lined up for one mode, the latch’s that are supposed to hold him together in a vehicle mode just don’t line up or don’t take, and I just don’t see how this is better than the gen version we got a few years back which had character, and was way more concise with its transformation

It's better from a cartoon accuracy standpoint and has a cleaner helicopter mode. And doesn't have awkward spoiler/tailfin parts that never feel like they have a clear correct robot mode position. The T30 toy can be fairly obnoxious to get properly tabbed together in altmode too- I know mine is. And SIEGE Springer's legs don't look any more convoluted than T30 Springer's arms.

Carefully check your SIEGE Springer's latches and slots for both flash and excessive room.

[transformers_va]

It’s overly fiddly to the point of irritation to try and get everything lined up for one mode, the latch’s that are supposed to hold him together in a vehicle mode just don’t line up or don’t take

I was having a similar issue with mine too. The key for me was the grey hinge piece in Springer's lower back. When I had it pushed fully into the correct position (imo, this wasn't completely clear in the instructions), the tabs all lined up beautifully. Don't know if this the same issue that you are having, but thought I'd mention it.

[Roadbuster]

Got Springer last night and while he looks awesome, even with instructions, he is a nightmare to transform. Now some of the paint on his face was damaged. (nose and beneath the lip.)

[transformers_va]

Wowww.
1. Black plastic dye won't fix the BLACK HEAD AND BODY.
2. The plastic is not likely unpaintable.
3. You're talking out your aft with the "maybe black plastic wouldn't work QC wise" thing. Like, what kind of logic led you to that conclusion? Especially since it's not the body - you know, the part that has the potentially-delicate ball joints and which was black on Firedrive - that was supposed to be ...

Dang man, you blew up on me the other day as well. Sounds like you might be a little angry about something lol
These are Transformers Toys (keyword, toys) They are meant for us to enjoy, not to be blasting people that you might not necessarily agree with.

With that being said - I just got my Jetfire today, and he is amazing!! Hopefully everyone whose orders got delayed, get theirs soon!

[Optimum Supreme]

Man, I just don't get what I'm missing about this Megatron, every time I look at him he seems like the weakest mold out of Siege, but everyone seems to love him.

You're not alone. I'm quite happy with TR Megatron, so have no desire to replace him with Siege Megs.

Same here. TR Megs is a great figure.
I do want Selects Megatron, but he'll be Megaplex in my collection.

That Jetfire though.......

TR Megs is the weakest Megs in years, hampered by too many gimmicks (triple changer, headmaster) and crappy peeling stickers. Now, CW Megs, there's a Megs worth keeping over Siege Megs, though Siege is nice and cheaper than CW...

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

CW Megs is oversize and, from what I understand, is overly limited in the arm articulation department.

And I guess "Hampered by gimmicks" is just slang for "Waaa (X) has a gimmick they originally didn't have and I don't like that they have it!" nowadays. As opposed to, say, things like ROTF Leader Megatron sacrificing elbow articulation so that his missile launcher trigger can hid a sound effect button in tank mode. Or poor ROTF Leader-class Jetfire.

[Hellscream9999]

So I managed to fix jetfire thanks to a small donation from an old cybertron override and the junker tr megs Ii had lying around.

With that out of the way, I have to say jetfire is easily toy of the year material, he's just so good, I love him; he just blows the gen leader class one away so hard

[blackeyedprime]

Man, I just don't get what I'm missing about this Megatron, every time I look at him he seems like the weakest mold out of Siege, but everyone seems to love him.

You're not alone. I'm quite happy with TR Megatron, so have no desire to replace him with Siege Megs.

Same here. TR Megs is a great figure.
I do want Selects Megatron, but he'll be Megaplex in my collection.

That Jetfire though.......

TR Megs is the weakest Megs in years, hampered by too many gimmicks (triple changer, headmaster) and crappy peeling stickers. Now, CW Megs, there's a Megs worth keeping over Siege Megs, though Siege is nice and cheaper than CW...

Nah, TR megs is pretty good and the gimmicks only make it a better toy. Small figure that can fit in planes cockpit, check. Can drive the tank, check. Can be eaten by Unicron, almost. Only two holes for weapons and none of the swiss cheese gimmicks of siege (more holes, less plastic content, higher price charged). Fitting alt modes despite being a Blitzwing used as Megatron with Megatrons plane tying into an episode even if it was cut out of it.
I think the Siege figures a little less blocky and the arm cannon looks better (back kibble is about on the same level and doesnt feel like megatron) but lazy/generic H tank alt mode.
CW Megs H tank only kind of works on the armada version, but then the toy pales against the orig armada one with its play features and then as a toy CW Megs really needs the 3rd party add ons to make it a passable display piece.

[Ironhidensh]

Well, I did end up opening Jetfire, and I'm very happy to report that I love him. First Autobot figure in the Seige line that's worth a damn.

I will say, the designers must be big fans of Fanstoys Phoenix, as this figure is extremely similar. Tough to be fair, there is only so many ways you can do a G1 Jetfire thar us show accurate.

[RodimusConvoy13]

Man, I just don't get what I'm missing about this Megatron, every time I look at him he seems like the weakest mold out of Siege, but everyone seems to love him.

You're not alone. I'm quite happy with TR Megatron, so have no desire to replace him with Siege Megs.

Same here. TR Megs is a great figure.
I do want Selects Megatron, but he'll be Megaplex in my collection.

That Jetfire though.......

TR Megs is the weakest Megs in years, hampered by too many gimmicks (triple changer, headmaster) and crappy peeling stickers. Now, CW Megs, there's a Megs worth keeping over Siege Megs, though Siege is nice and cheaper than CW...

Nah, TR megs is pretty good and the gimmicks only make it a better toy. Small figure that can fit in planes cockpit, check. Can drive the tank, check. Can be eaten by Unicron, almost. Only two holes for weapons and none of the swiss cheese gimmicks of siege (more holes, less plastic content, higher price charged). Fitting alt modes despite being a Blitzwing used as Megatron with Megatrons plane tying into an episode even if it was cut out of it.
I think the Siege figures a little less blocky and the arm cannon looks better (back kibble is about on the same level and doesnt feel like megatron) but lazy/generic H tank alt mode.
CW Megs H tank only kind of works on the armada version, but then the toy pales against the orig armada one with its play features and then as a toy CW Megs really needs the 3rd party add ons to make it a passable display piece.

Actually, Siege uses the same amount of not more plastic than older “larger” toys.

[Nathaniel Prime]

Man, I just don't get what I'm missing about this Megatron, every time I look at him he seems like the weakest mold out of Siege, but everyone seems to love him.

You're not alone. I'm quite happy with TR Megatron, so have no desire to replace him with Siege Megs.

Same here. TR Megs is a great figure.
I do want Selects Megatron, but he'll be Megaplex in my collection.

That Jetfire though.......

TR Megs is the weakest Megs in years, hampered by too many gimmicks (triple changer, headmaster) and crappy peeling stickers. Now, CW Megs, there's a Megs worth keeping over Siege Megs, though Siege is nice and cheaper than CW...

Nah, TR megs is pretty good and the gimmicks only make it a better toy. Small figure that can fit in planes cockpit, check. Can drive the tank, check. Can be eaten by Unicron, almost. Only two holes for weapons and none of the swiss cheese gimmicks of siege (more holes, less plastic content, higher price charged). Fitting alt modes despite being a Blitzwing used as Megatron with Megatrons plane tying into an episode even if it was cut out of it.
I think the Siege figures a little less blocky and the arm cannon looks better (back kibble is about on the same level and doesnt feel like megatron) but lazy/generic H tank alt mode.
CW Megs H tank only kind of works on the armada version, but then the toy pales against the orig armada one with its play features and then as a toy CW Megs really needs the 3rd party add ons to make it a passable display piece.

All your points on TR Megatron are valid. He is a very fun figure, coming from one of the best lines in history. He works alot better as a pretool than Optimus. I do hate his sickly white grey color, his cannon is really weird, and his headsculpt being compromised due to the forced gimmick.

I also find TR Megatron to be alot more fiddly than Siege, with me having to deal with the wings and treads (as well as those awful stickers), whereas the only fiddly part on Siege is trying to push that front tank panel into those tabs on the sides of the treads. That's literally his only flaw.

Siege also has the better cannon, colors, and headsculpt, and in my opinion, a much better tank mode.

In the end, it all boils down to your opinion. Do you like Megatron enough to justify getting another? Do you have different criteria for judging a better figure? The joy of this hobby means that the choice is yours and yours only

[Emerje]

My local Target in Ann Arbor, MI had Battle Masters on clearance for $2.98.
Meijer had them on clearance for $4.19 and Micromasters for $6.99.

Was surprised to see this. I picked up one more each of Firedrive and Blowpipe just for the blast effects.

can confirm for meijer, just got the rescue patrol and a spare pteraxadon on clearance

Not that we don't trust you, but if anyone has photographic evidence we can news this.

Emerje

[RodimusConvoy13]

My local Target in Ann Arbor, MI had Battle Masters on clearance for $2.98.
Meijer had them on clearance for $4.19 and Micromasters for $6.99.

Was surprised to see this. I picked up one more each of Firedrive and Blowpipe just for the blast effects.

can confirm for meijer, just got the rescue patrol and a spare pteraxadon on clearance

Not that we don't trust you, but if anyone has photographic evidence we can news this.

Emerje

Crap. I either threw out the receipt or left it at work. I don’t have photographic proof.

[Hellscream9999]

My local Target in Ann Arbor, MI had Battle Masters on clearance for $2.98.
Meijer had them on clearance for $4.19 and Micromasters for $6.99.

Was surprised to see this. I picked up one more each of Firedrive and Blowpipe just for the blast effects.

can confirm for meijer, just got the rescue patrol and a spare pteraxadon on clearance

Not that we don't trust you, but if anyone has photographic evidence we can news this.

Emerje

Bout all I can do

[Trocheman]

Got my first Siege bot today...Brunt

[Emerje]

Is it winter clearance time already? Not quite, but that's not stopping Meijers from getting a head start. Fellow Seibertronian Hellscream9999 has confirmed reports of War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters and Micromasters being clearance priced at $4.19 and $6.99 respectively at Meijer. It's uncertain if these prices are found at all stores, but Seibertronian RodimusConvoy13 found the same prices at another store.



RodimusConvoy13 also reports finding Battlemasters on clearance at Target for $2.98, and while we don't have any photographic proof it might be worth your while to stop and check your local store. If you mind any good deals on Transformers in stores or online be sure to send us photos or a link and post them in the Energon Pub Forums.

[MeGrimlock78]

I noticed toysrus.ca has the battle masters on clearance as well, for $5.98: http://m.toysrus.ca/family/index.jsp?ca ... bled=false

[Skritz]

Poor Battle Masters going the way of the Titan and Prime Masters. Seems like this concept for size class (essentially, an 'accessory' class) isn't doing that great at retail. I suspect we'll see these phased out soon. Which is a shame because Battlemasters are great.

[sol magnus]

Poor Battle Masters going the way of the Titan and Prime Masters. Seems like this concept for size class (essentially, an 'accessory' class) isn't doing that great at retail. I suspect we'll see these phased out soon. Which is a shame because Battlemasters are great.

Except I've seen Terraxadon and Aimless all of one time in a store, and that was right before I started getting Siege figures at all.

One one of my hunts I ran into the regional Hasbro rep (in a Walmart). He told me that the store manager who orders product has a lot to do with what figures you actually see on shelves. In a microcosm, it might seem to some that people aren't buying the Battlemasters. I might not agree with that, whereas I'd have to agree if we were discussing Micromasters.

They are totally G1, but I still have no interest in them. They just seem out of place to me in the line.