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[RodimusConvoy13]

Got Springer (and Siege Hightower)

Not into blocky G1 type stuff but always had fondness for Springer mostly from the Marvel UK comics so wanted to check this out. It's decent. Has that slight floppy feet issue many have but that can be fixed. The typical Siege battle damage paint still looks absolutely godawful to me. More like dirt. If I decide to keep this figure (doesn't fit very well into my collection but I dunno yet) then I'll try scrub that crud all off. Really wish he had more of a Devastation video game shading effect like the new redecos of Prime and Megatron too as that's how I like G1 stuff to look. Go all the way toon style for these blocky bots. But yeah he's alright. I'll play with this figure a bit more before I make any decisions.

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Be careful cleaning off the battle damage. Most of it is on top of already painted parts. You could end up removing the paint underneath the battle damage.

[Carnivius_Prime]

Be careful cleaning off the battle damage. Most of it is on top of already painted parts. You could end up removing the paint underneath the battle damage.

Thanks. yeah i noticed. I'll be careful. I have my own paints if I need to redo anything. I just can't stand this garbage paint app effect. It just looks some kid played with the figure in the dirt. And yeah some of my G1 figures ended up like that but not brand new out of the box...



update: ok yeah the silvery paint actually comes off with easily. using rough side of a scouring pad and so far all but the lil nook & cranny bits were easy to remove without the colour paint under being affected. Have I devalued the resale of this Springer now if i choose to sell it on? Possibly. Unless there's people out there looking for a 'clean' one I suppose. Might stick a reprolabel autobot insignia on the chest over the factory one too. I know there's a bit of irony in that i'm someone who deliberately adds silver paint to my Bayverse figures but that's my own choice and they're supposed to look worn and metal and all that and for me it just doesn't work on these Siege toys for the most part. Not the way it's been done on the vast majority of the parts anyways.

[Wolfman Jake]

When the Siege figures were first shown off with the battle damage paint apps, I was initially very skeptical, almost turned off altogether. But, there was no denying that the sculpting was amazing on these figures and that the robot modes were fantastic representations of the G1 cartoon models, even for non-Masterpiece figures. I knew I wanted at LEAST Optimus Prime and Megatron, and thought about skipping on others like Hound, Ironhide, Prowl, and Sideswipe...until I had them in hand. With later reveals like Red Alert, Ratchet, Bluestreak, Smokescreen, I had resigned myself to the fact that I was going to replace a LOT of my older "Classics" figures with these new ones. Add to that Ultra Magnus, Springer, Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Soundwave, Shockwave, Reflector, Mirage, etc., and there was no going back. Now that a large chunk of my display collection has the battle damage, I've become very comfortable with it. It doesn't stand out to me when I'm admiring my figures on the shelves. When I saw the in-hand cel-shaded versions of Optimus Prime and Megatron a few weeks ago, I wasn't impressed. I actually prefer the battle damage paint to the "toon camouflage." At this point, I do kind of hope Hasbro keeps up with the battle damage paint apps for the second part of the War for Cybertron Trilogy, for the sake of visual continuity in my collection...and because it does kinda look cool.

[Carnivius_Prime]

Sorry. To me it just looks like absolute crap. Nearly scrubbed it all off Springer now.

[ZeroWolf]

I like the battle damage idea, these are war machines afterall, they're supposed to be fighting a milliena long war so it's nice to see them look the part. I also agree with Wolfman Jakes assessment of the 35th Anniversary cel shaded prime and megs. It just doesn't work for me and seems a silly idea as it works on a 2 Dimensional drawing as you can control the light source... In real life...nope, the effect should have stayed in the cartoon.

[Cobotron]

3D objects in real space under real light have shadows, or shading.
Trying to replicate "toon shading" always looks wrong to me. You're better off hanging a framed cell on the wall, if you need this look in our collection.
Or just have a TV with the cartoon series on constant loop in the center of your collection display.

[Carnivius_Prime]

Seriously? For me that cel-shading (and let's not call it toon. The G1 cartoon NEVER looked that good, it's pure Devastation video game style) looks great on those figures I find otherwise unappealing (the standard versions just look far too mediocre to me). This lousy attempt at battle damage doesn't. It's garbage. Ugly, badly applied and makes little sense. It's too realistic an effect to be applied to designs that still look far too cartoon like even with all that detailing and it's not even done well. Fine whatever. You like what you like. This was probably the only Siege figure I'd even consider owning (I did have Firedrive and Lioniser for a couple weeks but thought they were kinda crappy so sold them). I don't like this toyline much. I find the robots quite bland looking and most of the 'cybertronian' vehicles far too boxy, already dated-looking and uninteresting (what happened to that neat futurisitic style the 2010 WfC Bumblebee had with it's cool curves and interesting deco?). I've always preferred realistic alt-modes for the most part anyways (of which this toyline has very little of). But yeah this Springer. He's just ok. He'll suffice if I do want to have a lil Marvel UK tribute section of the shelf but it's unlikely to be a fave of mine.

I'm kinda fed up with Transformers at moment anyways despite the cool SS reveals. I had hoped today's purchases might make me a bit more enthusiastic but had a jerk on instagram actually say I should be ordering Unicron instead of 'wasting cash on shi**y michael bay junk' on my Studio Series figures. Ain't my damn problem if that giant turtle-shelled toy doesn't meet it's target... I'm done.

[Wolfman Jake]

Or just have a TV with the cartoon series on constant loop in the center of your collection display.

Life goals!

[Sentinel_Primal]

update: ok yeah the silvery paint actually comes off with easily. using rough side of a scouring pad and so far all but the lil nook & cranny bits were easy to remove without the colour paint under being affected. Have I devalued the resale of this Springer now if i choose to sell it on? Possibly. Unless there's people out there looking for a 'clean' one I suppose. Might stick a reprolabel autobot insignia on the chest over the factory one too. I know there's a bit of irony in that i'm someone who deliberately adds silver paint to my Bayverse figures but that's my own choice and they're supposed to look worn and metal and all that and for me it just doesn't work on these Siege toys for the most part. Not the way it's been done on the vast majority of the parts anyways.

Based on how Reprolabels has been going, they may also release a Siege Springer cel shaded style set. Though, I fully admit that I have never bought any reprolabels are paid much attention to them to know how they operate

[blackeyedprime]

Seriously? For me that cel-shading (and let's not call it toon. The G1 cartoon NEVER looked that good, it's pure Devastation video game style) looks great on those figures I find otherwise unappealing (the standard versions just look far too mediocre to me). This lousy attempt at battle damage doesn't. It's garbage. Ugly, badly applied and makes little sense. It's too realistic an effect to be applied to designs that still look far too cartoon like even with all that detailing and it's not even done well. Fine whatever. You like what you like. This was probably the only Siege figure I'd even consider owning (I did have Firedrive and Lioniser for a couple weeks but thought they were kinda crappy so sold them). I don't like this toyline much. I find the robots quite bland looking and most of the 'cybertronian' vehicles far too boxy, already dated-looking and uninteresting (what happened to that neat futurisitic style the 2010 WfC Bumblebee had with it's cool curves and interesting deco?). I've always preferred realistic alt-modes for the most part anyways (of which this toyline has very little of). But yeah this Springer. He's just ok. He'll suffice if I do want to have a lil Marvel UK tribute section of the shelf but it's unlikely to be a fave of mine.

I'm kinda fed up with Transformers at moment anyways despite the cool SS reveals. I had hoped today's purchases might make me a bit more enthusiastic but had a jerk on instagram actually say I should be ordering Unicron instead of 'wasting cash on shi**y michael bay junk' on my Studio Series figures. Ain't my damn problem if that giant turtle-shelled toy doesn't meet it's target... I'm done.

repro labels are pretty nice tho I'm finding some that go around curves peel over time. At leats the baynus Unicrons cheap to replicate, buy an inflatable globe and glue some horns on it, voila. 1/100000th of the unicron price tag and almost entirely accurate look
Studio series has been pretty good (enough to even make me look at a few of them) with a few oddities but its not the line up or full on improvements I would expect for todays standards. Siege is hit n miss and as much as I dont like the wfc video game toys (their alts do feel more cybertronish) at least they got the pannelling to match colours unlike the siege carbots.
Baynus Demolisher is going to look very nice when completed (I might not like the overall design but think it could be great as a possessed vehicles/entity for the ghostbusters or GB Prime/ecto to zap).

Just buy what you like, G1 fans have 35+ years of toys to pick and choose from, to have what they want representing a character/think is the best version of. The scary thing is, wont be long before bay fans have 35 years of figures to choose from either with the way time goes and there is quite a lot of choice at the mo.

[Wolfman Jake]

Now that we're getting the Powerdashers with Siege, I wonder if we'll get the Omnibots with the next chapter of the War for Cybertron Trilogy? They're long overdue for some love and a little less obscure, I think, than the Powerdashers were. For that matter, is anyone champing at the bit for Kronoform watches, or the even more obscure Natron and Freezon from the Tyco car racing set?

[william-james88]

Now that we're getting the Powerdashers with Siege, I wonder if we'll get the Omnibots with the next chapter of the War for Cybertron Trilogy? They're long overdue for some love and a little less obscure, I think, than the Powerdashers were. For that matter, is anyone champing at the bit for Kronoform watches, or the even more obscure Natron and Freezon from the Tyco car racing set?

The Omnibots are far less obscure. I know this because until just a few months ago, I had no clue who the powerdashers were, but I knew who the omnibots were. Not only did some appear again over the years, but one of them was a ferrari, one of the most expensive alt car modes ever (beaten out by AOE Drift thouh). So not exactly low profile in that regard. Plus, they had individual names, that's always a plus.

[blackeyedprime]

I'd like the mini spys to return, not familiar with the obscure tyco racing set but would like an update of the electric train battle set and just energon it up a bit (a selects repaint of astrotrain might woirk as long they give it track pieces etc to justify the leader price tag on it!).

Think the watches have been tributed with the evergreen stuff and even the micro rumble with how bad it is, just repaint it and give it a strap.

[Microbot]

Good comparison

[o.supreme]

The Omnibots are in the card game, not that it necessarily means anything, but it's definitely a possibility, along with some of the 85' Autobots we haven't had in a while.


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Nice, he truly is unique. A bit taller than Trypticon, but the top of the tracks probably meet the eyeline, or top of the horns of Metro & FM.

It also scales well so he can fight his original nemesis (Devastator), or his aligned continuity one (Trypticon)

[Hero Alpha]

Seriously? For me that cel-shading (and let's not call it toon. The G1 cartoon NEVER looked that good, it's pure Devastation video game style) looks great on those figures I find otherwise unappealing (the standard versions just look far too mediocre to me). This lousy attempt at battle damage doesn't. It's garbage. Ugly, badly applied and makes little sense. It's too realistic an effect to be applied to designs that still look far too cartoon like even with all that detailing and it's not even done well. Fine whatever. You like what you like. This was probably the only Siege figure I'd even consider owning (I did have Firedrive and Lioniser for a couple weeks but thought they were kinda crappy so sold them). I don't like this toyline much. I find the robots quite bland looking and most of the 'cybertronian' vehicles far too boxy, already dated-looking and uninteresting (what happened to that neat futurisitic style the 2010 WfC Bumblebee had with it's cool curves and interesting deco?). I've always preferred realistic alt-modes for the most part anyways (of which this toyline has very little of). But yeah this Springer. He's just ok. He'll suffice if I do want to have a lil Marvel UK tribute section of the shelf but it's unlikely to be a fave of mine.

I'm kinda fed up with Transformers at moment anyways despite the cool SS reveals. I had hoped today's purchases might make me a bit more enthusiastic but had a jerk on instagram actually say I should be ordering Unicron instead of 'wasting cash on shi**y michael bay junk' on my Studio Series figures. Ain't my damn problem if that giant turtle-shelled toy doesn't meet it's target... I'm done.

Probably for the best if ur just mainly a Bayverse fan. I think its had its day after studio series. Transformers: Bumblebee kinda showed that. But for me its great, bring on the Sunbow G1 goodness and Unicron .

[Cobotron]

Or just have a TV with the cartoon series on constant loop in the center of your collection display.

Life goals!

DO IT!
You know, there was a time when I lived in a smaller apartment that my toy shelves doubled as my entertainment center. It was super fun watching a monitor surrounded by all my toys.

And, Carni, sorry man. Didn't mean to get you riled up. Perhaps I could have chosen my words more carefully. Replace the words "you're" and "you" with the word "one" and one will get closer to the generalization I intended. Was just expressing my opinion on the matter. Not my opinion of you.

[Rogue-Primal]

All of the fancy artwork on the internet and boxes and Hasbro won't consider making a Transformers SIEGE game. There could be so much potential for this to work in a alternate game reboot timeline or standalone console game franchise.

[Stargrave]

Thanks to a post yesterday on TFND on Facebook we have new images of the Transformers War for Cybertron Siege Refraktor Reconnaissance three pack with Spectro, Spyglass, and Viewfinder! These images give us excellent close ups of the individual robot modes, the packaging, and each page of the detailed instruction manual.

The manual gives some fun back story on the various functions of the different Refraktor units, a breakdown of their weapons even giving each of their similar blasters different names, and full instructions on assembling the camera mode. Although the camera mode instructions are shown in the images from TFND they are not very clear. The actual camera mode assembly instructions are however shown quite clearly in a downloadable PDF posted to TakaraTomy which we've provided above. You can head to TakaraTomy and download the PDF by clicking the image or the link here. You can pick up the Recon 3 Pack at any of our various sponsors such as Entertainment Earth, Big Bad Toy Store, and The Chosen Prime. Are you going to pick up the team and start gathering your spy data on your enemies? Let us know in the forums and as always stay tuned to Seibertron for the ultimate in Transformers news!

[Wireless_Phantom]

I think if they had gone all the way with the toy accuracy (Re-sculpted head and chests, more accurate color layouts) I'd go for the 3 pack set.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

If I didn't already form the retail camera I would totally get this

[Ultra Markus]

with all this attention on refraktor
they should try to reissue the G1 reflector

[angtre]

I think if they had gone all the way with the toy accuracy (Re-sculpted head and chests, more accurate color layouts) I'd go for the 3 pack set.

They'll probably save that for the inevitable MP+ version. Of course, first both versions of Siege Refraktor should actually perform well.

[Rodimus Knight]

I just like that they gave different names to the 3 identical blasters.

[Stargrave]

I just like that they gave different names to the 3 identical blasters.

I don’t know why but that totally made me smile too.