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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:19 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:Like a complete dumbass, I paid full price for this thing. I should have waited......

You attract this sort of thing into your life.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:45 am

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I am certainly no expert when it comes to YT toy reviews. But am I alone in thinking, some of the things I want to see aside from the toy and transformation itself are:

1. a comparison with TR and/or Legends Astrotrain?
2. Seeing how the base linking gimmick looks with other figures?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby no-one » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:27 pm

TF-fan kev777 wrote:
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william-james88 wrote:
Stargrave wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Like a complete dumbass, I paid full price for this thing. I should have waited......
That was in your store? I am surprised to see a Soundwave on the shelf as well, those things sold out instantly in my country. Those who were waiting for a sale missed out.
Yeah Will it’s weird - by me most Soundwaves are gone but there’s still some, and the cassettes about the same. Some places though they disappeared super quick and haven’t come back.

What’s interesting is I’ve noticed 24hr WalMarts have sucky stock and no Jetfires. WalMarts that close at midnight have way better stock and have Jetfires (or had Jetfires)

I need a price match I’ve never done that but Jetfire was so much $$$ I have to at least try.
Good luck with that, I heard Walmart doesn't price match with itself since liquidations like this are handled at the individual store level.
I was hoping someone would chime in on that thanks dude. Well, damn. Ah well he’s worth every penny I paid he’s choice Siege-ness in my book ;)^
Slight clarification: Walmart won't price match other stores that have it on clearance for the reasons Will stated, but they will price match their own website if they have it cheaper online. Doesn't really help here, but good to know.
Walmart does offer returns up to 90 days on toys, so I'm hoping to spot a Jetfire on clearance and just return it using my original receipt. :twisted:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:36 pm

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Also, shouldn't be a surprise, but in case anyone worried the "leader class" astrotrain is out of scale,

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So it’s safe to assume the actual lead class size is now a part of history....
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:42 pm

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PotP had deluxe figures that *evolved* into Leaders
Siege has Voyager figures that via *extentions* make them Leader Class

It's been this way for two lines. I'd wait and see what the next line offers as far as Leader Class figures before declaring them truly dead. After All SS still is making Leader Class figures...sort of... ;)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:20 pm

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If astrotrains smaller than Blitzwing and Octane it will be an easy pass and if not, he's still going to have to drop to below half price for me to bite.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:24 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:So it’s safe to assume the actual lead class size is now a part of history....


The Studio Series is sad you forgot about them.

But this isn't a bad thing. Some toys in the past were never released since they didn't fit a size class and lots of fans moaned about that.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:43 pm

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In other news, I got the last Thundercracker on Amazon.com on Friday. Received it Monday. He's, of course, awesome. For the life of me, though, I can't figure out why they left the Decepticon symbols of the robot side of his wings. At first I put it down to the red strip, but Starscream has both. So does Skywarp (in purple).

As far as the smirking face, I think it more suits Skywarp or Starscream than Thundercracker, but I can live with it.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:29 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
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I'd really LOVE to have those Ratchet and Ironhide. They are the perfect G1 hommage with the sled thing. Plus, they could duo-combine.

Too bad they are Botcon exclusives with the price to match. :(
Ironhide is near 100$CAN counting shipping and taxes. But holy crap that Ratchet! Only one available and he's nearly 300$! :shock:

Sigh...

I suspect the one for $300 has been there for a while. I sold mine and the biddingbdidnt go that high. I loved them, but I did not like the proportions and the heads were bubble shaped, definately TFCC's early head designing days. But I really widh they would revisit the engineering again, they were great toys.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby no-one » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:46 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:So it’s safe to assume the actual lead class size is now a part of history....
But this isn't a bad thing. Some toys in the past were never released since they didn't fit a size class and lots of fans moaned about that.
I like the idea of price points more than hard defined in height size classes. Most of the recent leader class figures from previous lines I bought were just too damn big and didn't look good within their own line. I can only think of two leader class figures that make sense to me, T30 Jetfire and TR Overlord (I'm sure there's more, but didn't spot any after a quick scan of my office).

I'll also say that Siege Shockwave and Astrotrain should've/should just drop all the extra stuff and been/be released at the voyager price point.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:56 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
Weapon: Twin Shoulder-Mounted Rocket Launchers
So, an unplanned run home on my Lunch resulted in a nice surprise, a Titan sized box from BBTS.
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Note that the wings are detached. The rocket section looked like it was, but there is a trick there.

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Maybe you guys all knew this, but it was a surprise to me: the arms and shoulderblades are all tje same assembly: the rocket itself.l, and the middle portion of the rocket spreads and flattens on his back. The tracks slot in between the rocket shell and his actual back

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The wings are stored in the folded carbboard book style over his head. The other two are just fillers. Like Skyfire, his blast ecfects are in a baggy taped to the box beside him.
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"Now you are prisoner of the Constructicons!"

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Of Titans and Minions. (The one on Devastator is a custom of ScorpulTor, his original Actionmaster partber, from an arms Micron figure.

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Since I have to go back to work ( :-( ) I really havent gotten a good impression other than "he came out of the box easy". My ome gripe so far is that his ponytail gun looks kinda weak, but thats a nitpick. But overall I am really excited to take him apart and see how it all goes together. Omega has been the character I have been most excited to see get the Titan treatment from the start.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:13 pm

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I wanna see someone with one of every Titan class figure (Metroplex, Devastator, Fort Max, Trypticon, Predaking, and Omega) take a picture of them all together lined up from shortest to tallest.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:23 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
Weapon: Twin Shoulder-Mounted Rocket Launchers
Sabrblade wrote:I wanna see someone with one of every Titan class figure (Metroplex, Devastator, Fort Max, Trypticon, Predaking, and Omega) take a picture of them all together lined up from shortest to tallest.

I can help you tonight with evetyone except Fort Max, but othrr than maybe Cerebros' thickness he shouldbt be that much taller than Metroplex
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:24 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
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william-james88 wrote:
emlit wrote:What Deluxe or Voyager class figure is a can’t-miss in the Siege line for you?

Ironhide and ratchet. We just dont have any good alternatives for that scale.


You sound like those are just "good enough". Something you don't like about them?


I never said that. Quite the opposite. If you don't get Siege Mirage, there are others to fill that void. But there is nothing even close to as good as these Ironhide and Ratchet toys.
Purely subjectively, I'm still partial to the old BotCon 2005 ones, even if they are hard to come by and have peculiar-looking headsculpts.


Do they end up on the small side ?
IIRC, most Energon Deluxe class Autobots were pretty chunky toys. Not tall, but not pint-sized, either.

Here's a couple of Ryan's gallery pics:

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Why do these two Tow-Line repaints get so much love? It's a fun toy with the G1 "weapon sled" part nailed down for Ironhide and Ratchet...but everything else about them is awful. The head sculpts are atrociously bad. The proportions are all wonky with the skinny thighs and extra wide beer guts for entire torsos. The paint jobs are passable, but not really all that accurate either. To me, they work much better as "Energon" versions of Ironhide and Ratchet than they do their actual G1 selves, or even as "reimagined" 2006 Classics versions.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:35 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I wanna see someone with one of every Titan class figure (Metroplex, Devastator, Fort Max, Trypticon, Predaking, and Omega) take a picture of them all together lined up from shortest to tallest.


Oh I have many plans for Titan Group Shots, once I get Omega... it may be a while though. In the mean time, I have all the others AND Legends Grand Max...I did a pic a while back in this thread with size comparisons with everything from Titan, to Titan Master
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:12 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
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william-james88 wrote:
emlit wrote:What Deluxe or Voyager class figure is a can’t-miss in the Siege line for you?

Ironhide and ratchet. We just dont have any good alternatives for that scale.


You sound like those are just "good enough". Something you don't like about them?


I never said that. Quite the opposite. If you don't get Siege Mirage, there are others to fill that void. But there is nothing even close to as good as these Ironhide and Ratchet toys.
Purely subjectively, I'm still partial to the old BotCon 2005 ones, even if they are hard to come by and have peculiar-looking headsculpts.


Do they end up on the small side ?
IIRC, most Energon Deluxe class Autobots were pretty chunky toys. Not tall, but not pint-sized, either.

Here's a couple of Ryan's gallery pics:

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Why do these two Tow-Line repaints get so much love? It's a fun toy with the G1 "weapon sled" part nailed down for Ironhide and Ratchet...but everything else about them is awful. The head sculpts are atrociously bad. The proportions are all wonky with the skinny thighs and extra wide beer guts for entire torsos. The paint jobs are passable, but not really all that accurate either. To me, they work much better as "Energon" versions of Ironhide and Ratchet than they do their actual G1 selves, or even as "reimagined" 2006 Classics versions.

I think they're objectively hideous.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:20 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
Weapon: Twin Shoulder-Mounted Rocket Launchers
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
emlit wrote:What Deluxe or Voyager class figure is a can’t-miss in the Siege line for you?

Ironhide and ratchet. We just dont have any good alternatives for that scale.


You sound like those are just "good enough". Something you don't like about them?


I never said that. Quite the opposite. If you don't get Siege Mirage, there are others to fill that void. But there is nothing even close to as good as these Ironhide and Ratchet toys.
Purely subjectively, I'm still partial to the old BotCon 2005 ones, even if they are hard to come by and have peculiar-looking headsculpts.


Do they end up on the small side ?
IIRC, most Energon Deluxe class Autobots were pretty chunky toys. Not tall, but not pint-sized, either.

Here's a couple of Ryan's gallery pics:

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Why do these two Tow-Line repaints get so much love? It's a fun toy with the G1 "weapon sled" part nailed down for Ironhide and Ratchet...but everything else about them is awful. The head sculpts are atrociously bad. The proportions are all wonky with the skinny thighs and extra wide beer guts for entire torsos. The paint jobs are passable, but not really all that accurate either. To me, they work much better as "Energon" versions of Ironhide and Ratchet than they do their actual G1 selves, or even as "reimagined" 2006 Classics versions.

You answered your own question. Yes, they are ygly abd dont exactly have a classic asthetic, but they do the one thibg that is most easily recognixable about the G1 mold: that it splits into a robot and sled. Sunstreaker has his intakes, Prime always has a Trailer (and when he doesnt its usually the first thing people grouse about) and Magnus has his armor. Tjose are the defining, signature parts of thrir toys (and by extension, their characters) that no other figure did and no other version of Ironhide and Ratchet has even attempted. And its not like there was a better alternative, in 2006 you had the ugly looking van thing that had more wide panel gaps than a shattered mirror, or you had the Universe repaint of X-Brawn that was a fun mold but bot Ratchet in the slightest (or maybe I am biased because it was X Brawn that got me in the collecting) and that was it until Combiner Wars, and even those are generic reuses. So I was happy to fall back onto an oddly proportioned bit Gimmickly accurate version of them over Mr. Staring-at-his-own-Clavicle that we got in 2006. I tried to love that mold, I couldnt do it.

And honsetly, as much as I do like the Siege mold, and cannot wait to find Ratchet for reasonable, I still want a "proper" Generations vwrsion with the battle sleds and the van alt modes if it wasnt so small, I actually almost prefer the new Cyberverse Ratchet's bot and alt modes.

And abyway, the G1 figures were pretty much 95% windshield torso to 5% legs too. ;)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:38 pm

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Flashwave wrote:And its not like there was a better alternative, in 2006 you had the ugly looking van thing that had more wide panel gaps than a shattered mirror...

So I was happy to fall back onto an oddly proportioned bit Gimmickly accurate version of them over Mr. Staring-at-his-own-Clavicle that we got in 2006.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:31 am

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
Weapon: Twin Shoulder-Mounted Rocket Launchers
So, I am very happy wuth Omega Supreme and especially the playavlbility of his vase mode. I am gonna hold off in saying "Favorite Titan" because I still really love the engineering behind Devastator, but he is defiantely up there. I love the rocket transformation especially, and putting the whole tprso together is a ton of fun.

Some minor quirks: there is a burr in the right knee somehwre, it dpes not like to bend to 90* like the left one does.

I do wish the tank barrel had been engineered differently, specifically like the masks were in some Titans Return figures, with the barrel mask being on the neck swivel. In tank mode the turret cannot turn at all.

I am having abolsolute fits getting the track to slot into the bottom of his pant cuffs. Everything should be lined up right vut its a tight fit and thin pegs. I worry that's gonna snap. Also, one of the curves does not seem to want to hold up the tank and it slides off as it goes by. Oddly, it warps and "derails" over one of the folding supports, not between them. But I am on carpet so maybe its just not sitting level.

If anyone is interested, Nonnef Productions has announced that they wants to make track pieces.

For as wide as his feet are, Omega lacks any reach with his toes, amd is still quite top heavy.
I cant for the life of me figure out Countdown's weapon mode. Something is missing from the instructions or the toy, he doesnt even have te Blast Effect Nubs of all the other Weapon dudes that I can find.

I am not a fan of the blast effects in general, and I dont like them here. I wish there was more color in them than black, but even then I probably would just stuff them in his leg cavity. They are a stiffer material though than the regular effects, ao that was nice to see.

I gotta appreciate the level of Siege-ness in Omega Supreme. Despite a lack of traditional hands, there is a full wrist swivel in his claw, and each finger has a 5mm port in it, making it possible for him to still hold things with more than just a pinch grip.

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Anyone remember Dreamwave? Groundshaker and Countdown were a duo, seemed only correct ti reunite the Micromasters and give Omega Supreme a Sword... Well, Dagger.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:17 am

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He has a vase mode? ;) :P
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* Cybertron Galvatron key, missiles
* Omega Lock
* Primus Cyber Key, coattail panel
* Powerlinx Comettor
* Cyb Jetfire R gun and missile
* RiD Galvy dragon head, beast arms
* DotM Ironhide windshield, R hood assy.
* ROTF Jetfire R JTFR panel

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:08 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:So it’s safe to assume the actual lead class size is now a part of history....
But this isn't a bad thing. Some toys in the past were never released since they didn't fit a size class and lots of fans moaned about that.
I like the idea of price points more than hard defined in height size classes. Most of the recent leader class figures I bought were just too damn big and didn't look good within their own line. I can only think of two leader class figures that make sense to me, T30 Jetfire and TR Overlord (I'm sure there's more, but didn't spot any after a quick scan of my office).

I'll also say that Siege Shockwave and Astrotrain should've/should just drop all the extra stuff and been/be released at the voyager price point.


Honestly, I'm very happy with the new Leaders. They are IN SCALE with the rest of the crew. Plus this allow characters like Ultra Magnus to have working armor. As for the Movie bots, I sold all of my Movie leaders except Buster Optimus/Jetfire and Starscream because they were just big for the sake of being big. Also, it look like all the Movie Megatrons will be made in the SS line. I got over DOTM SS Leader's Megs blocky legs because it allow him to be the same size as the ROTF SS voyager Megs in bot mode, but his truck mode is BIG as it should always have been instead of the almost "scout" truck of the DOTM voyager original.

So for the Generation line, this will allow for bigger characters to finally be made in a manageable size. Plus those who come with a trailer of armor can be included too.
BTW, I wonder if SkyLinx will be two voyagers sold separately,a Leader that is a 2-pack, or a Commander class like Jetfire? :???:
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Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:27 am

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I'd place money for him being commander class but the problem is he'd should scale with predaking as that was supposed to be his rival.. Which would mean he'd need to be titan class
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Postby william-james88 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:28 am

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So back to Jetfire, which I got last week, he's fine but the QC eaves much to be desired. I was wondering if everyone else had these problems. The right wrist is super loose, so he can't hold his gun straight, it always flops to one side. Also, the ratchets on his thighs are not of the same strength. One side is far weaker than the other. Are all copies like this?
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william-james88 wrote:So back to Jetfire, which I got last week, he's fine but the QC eaves much to be desired. I was wondering if everyone else had these problems. The right wrist is super loose, so he can't hold his gun straight, it always flops to one side. Also, the ratchets on his thighs are not of the same strength. One side is far weaker than the other. Are all copies like this?


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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby no-one » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:14 am

-Kanrabat- wrote:
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:So it’s safe to assume the actual lead class size is now a part of history....
But this isn't a bad thing. Some toys in the past were never released since they didn't fit a size class and lots of fans moaned about that.
I like the idea of price points more than hard defined in height size classes.
Honestly, I'm very happy with the new Leaders. They are IN SCALE with the rest of the crew.
As am I, I meant leaders from CW through PotP, but I worded it poorly. I like the flexibility and the size variances within size classes.
-Kanrabat- wrote:So for the Generation line, this will allow for bigger characters to finally be made in a manageable size. Plus those who come with a trailer of armor can be included too.
That's also what I'm hoping for.
-Kanrabat- wrote:BTW, I wonder if SkyLinx will be two voyagers sold separately,a Leader that is a 2-pack, or a Commander class like Jetfire? :???:
Are there rumors of a new Skylinx, as cool as that would be I'm happy with the last one we got, but I'm ok with another one that I can skip. If we see another Commander class figure, I'd expect it to be a Decepticon to balance the force.

william-james88 wrote:So back to Jetfire, which I got last week, he's fine but the QC eaves much to be desired. I was wondering if everyone else had these problems. The right wrist is super loose, so he can't hold his gun straight, it always flops to one side. Also, the ratchets on his thighs are not of the same strength. One side is far weaker than the other. Are all copies like this?
No, I think you pulled the short QC straw. The only "issue" mine has is the left wrist will un-peg slightly too easy. The wrists do swivel very easily, but not to the point of a problem. All other joints are tight enough to hold any poses I've put him in. I just grabbed him off the shelf buy his leg and double checked to make sure I wasn't remembering it wrong.

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