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[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

That's probably why he has Proper Colors Lionizer packed in with him.

[sol magnus]

Still, what Megatron do you have so that he's the only one that need to be in your collection? This must be the "ultimate" and "definitive" Megatron for you.

If we're talking about Megatrons, I still like Toyworld's Hegemon the best.

CW Leader Megs is great, but way too large for my tastes. Siege is great. Netflix is better. But, yeah, not enough to double dip for me either. Megatron was everywhere, so I wonder how well the Netflix version is actually selling.

If he's in my area he's selling like Hotcakes because I can't find a hint of one anywhere.

[-Kanrabat-]

Siege is great. Netflix is better. But, yeah, not enough to double dip for me either. Megatron was everywhere, so I wonder how well the Netflix version is actually selling.

Easy. WAY better paint job. Same thing with Hotlink actually. That seeker was just "one more seeker" but that deco is too sweet to ignore. In fact, all the Netflix boxes are selling like crazy, even the deluxes who are just the same thing but with added dirt. The appeal of sweet decos is strong.

Eh, even the "toon shaded" Megatron and Optimus sold like hotcakes.

[Emerje]

Eh, even the "toon shaded" Megatron and Optimus sold like hotcakes.

That's got to be a Canadian thing. Regular Megatron was a shelf warmer in the US which probably killed a lot of interest for the 35th Ann. version. Even with what seemed like half of the Walmarts in the US not carrying the 35th line the guy was majorly discounted on Walmart.com. Right now on Walmart.com regular Megatron is $15 and 35th is $25, I think the Netflix version will see similar price cuts.

Emerje

[o.supreme]

Since I got back into collecting back in 2015, oddly enough I never had a proper Optimus or Megatron. Earthrise finally is the proper Optimus I finally purchased. I'm still waiting for a Megatron that is really definitive as "it". Siege ( and it's 4 reuses) just doesn't strike the right cord, and ER is no better. Unfortunately because of the problematic nature of Megatron not being able to be a realistic gun, wemay never again see a Megatron that really makes me want to own it.

And yes there are still 35th anniversary and regular Siege Megatron's at some Walmarts around me.

[-Kanrabat-]

Eh, even the "toon shaded" Megatron and Optimus sold like hotcakes.

That's got to be a Canadian thing. Regular Megatron was a shelf warmer in the US which probably killed a lot of interest for the 35th Ann. version. Even with what seemed like half of the Walmarts in the US not carrying the 35th line the guy was majorly discounted on Walmart.com. Right now on Walmart.com regular Megatron is $15 and 35th is $25, I think the Netflix version will see similar price cuts.

Emerje

Regular Siege Megatron was also kinda shelfwarming too. Especially because the damn thing was in every single voyager waves.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I personally don't think we've had a perfect "proper" CHUG version of G1 Optimus yet, they've all had their flaws... I personally tend to favor CW Optimus as my "good enough" version right now; he has the basic look albeit a bit chunkier and with fake chest windows, and I like his size better than the WFC versions.

Megatron.. I still think the best way to handle him would be to do an altmode that keeps his 1984 toy's silhouette but changes the surface details to make it ostensibly not a firearm. And has modules based on the stock and silencer. SIEGE Megatron is good enough to fill in until that happens.

[-Kanrabat-]

I personally don't think we've had a perfect "proper" CHUG version of G1 Optimus yet, they've all had their flaws...

Every single figures that ever existed and ever will, will be flawed one way or another.
For Optimus, general consensus is that the Earthrise Leader is like a budget Masterpiece because he's so amazing. Even if the trailer is a bit barebone.
Proof is he's been sold out everywhere at full price and is impossible to order online without a markup. Also, I've yet to find a single negative video review.

If Siege Megs is a "good enough" toy, so is Siege Optimus. But ER Optimus is pretty much perfection for correcting the Siege's flaws and adding features.

For me, Siege Megs look perfect in bot mode but the tank is iffy. His main problem is that he's also not too fun to transform because too many things feel "not solid" in hand. Maybe Earthrise Megs will pull a ER Optimus and correct the flaws that the Siege one had and improve the overall feel?

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I personally don't think we've had a perfect "proper" CHUG version of G1 Optimus yet, they've all had their flaws...

Every single figures that ever existed and ever will, will be flawed one way or another.
For Optimus, general consensus is that the Earthrise Leader is like a budget Masterpiece because he's so amazing. Even if the trailer is a bit barebone.
Proof is he's been sold out everywhere at full price and is impossible to order online without a markup. Also, I've yet to find a single negative video review.

If Siege Megs is a "good enough" toy, so is Siege Optimus. But ER Optimus is pretty much perfection for correcting the Siege's flaws and adding features.

There is one downisde it could never have hoped to change, though: The size. SIEGE Optimus is a bit on the small size for a CHUG Optimus, especially in vehicle mode. ER Optimus couldn't help but inherit that, and the trailer only serves to emphasize it. Of course, that couldn't be helped either what with him being only a Leader-class figure.

For me, Siege Megs look perfect in bot mode but the tank is iffy. His main problem is that he's also not too fun to transform because too many things feel "not solid" in hand. Maybe Earthrise Megs will pull a ER Optimus and correct the flaws that the Siege one had and improve the overall feel?

Frankly I find SIEGE Megs' tank mode to be the more solid. It actually tabs together all the way, unlike his robot mode where the neckplate doesn't actually secure in place.
Earthrise Megatron is of next to no interest me. He's still a tank, his melee weapon looks more awkward except when held by the peg behind the barrel, and his head is less detailed.

[-Kanrabat-]

Blame Optimus's size on the "accurate" scale of the current generation. Personally, I love that scale obsession. Make for more consistent figures instead of having sizes that are all over the place like deluxes Megatrons and ultra class Powerglide.

As for ER Megs, the only logical thing to do is to wait and see. Because so far, only stock photos have been shown. But having the Siege already, I will wait for the inevitable ER Megs repaint.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Blame Optimus's size on the "accurate" scale of the current generation. Personally, I love that scale obsession. Make for more consistent figures instead of having sizes that are all over the place like deluxes Megatrons and ultra class Powerglide.

The thing is, even by the "scale accuracy" standard, I think WFC Optimus is too small. I find Combiner Wars Optimus to be more accurate scale-wise, in both modes. Going by the official scale guide, Sideswipe should come up to around Optimus' waist. Comparing SIEGE Sideswipe to CW Optimus? This matches up. But comparing him to SIEGE Optimus, he seems to come up to Optimus' abs, if not slightly past them. Does ER Optimus fare any better on that comparison? But even if he does, he's still too small in truck mode.

As for ER Megs, the only logical thing to do is to wait and see. Because so far, only stock photos have been shown. But having the Siege already, I will wait for the inevitable ER Megs repaint.

No, we haven't seen only stock photos. We've also seen photos of him from the Toy Fair.

[-Kanrabat-]

Oh yeah, the toy fair.
Still, I'll wait for the video reviews for ER Megs. But one thing is sure, I'll only buy the special repaint.

[Deadput]

Optimus wasn't really that big of a guy, he's not that much taller then say Ironhide or Ratchet traditionally, he's a flat-nose truck he's not going to be a giant among Transformers.

[-Kanrabat-]

Optimus wasn't really that big of a guy, he's not that much taller then say Ironhide or Ratchet traditionally, he's a flat-nose truck he's not going to be a giant among Transformers.

THAT'S NOT TURE! HERE'S THE PROOF:

[ZeroWolf]

I love how crazy that cover was. Also the team are really only going for robot mode scale, or as close as they can get to their other limits. Vehicle mode scale will be a driver for a completely different line

[blackeyedprime]

I'm still using perfect effect jinrai as my main optimus even if he's a little small I don't mind megatron being a bit bigger - plus the ankle tilt is much more natural than on some of the siege onwards bots. Couldn't find the 35th optimus in stock after waiting to see how it looked and was still unhappy with its arm kibble and truck mode.

I still prefer tr megs over siege but I'll be picking up the Netflix version as tr megs is in jet mode leading the seekers and then eventually repaint a spare tr megs into action master tank colors.

[Gauntlet101010]

If it's Optimii we're talking about my version of choice is still Henkei with Fansproject's trailer. I know Earthrise is better in basically every way. Heck, even Siege is better overall. But I still dig the overall look, even the arm kibble. And I like that I have all the variants of it that matter to me - white and Nemesis. The poseabilityis still decent by today's standards and I have a ton of 3rd party accessories that add a lot to the figure overall and give each version it's own thing.

But I think I would get a repainted Earthrise Optimus. Maybe it is mindless speculation on my part, but I can totally see a premium paintjob happening for that figure at some point in the future. A part of me wishes I didn't pick up Magnus since I think he might get a better paintjob too in the future. And that guy really needs one.

[-Kanrabat-]

I don't see how Siege Magnus need "better paint." He have plenty of colors already, the "battle damage" is in the right places, and the wheel rims are painted. The "Spoiler" Netflix edition added unnecessary burn marks to him if you're into that.

Honestly, you won't regret buying the normal Siege Ultra Magnus. He's a fantastic toy and he look amazing in all of his modes. Plus there's the fact that if you hunt right, you may find one in deep "secret clearance" at Walmart or somewhere.

[Gauntlet101010]

I have Siege Magnus. In Magnus mode he's just fine, but in white Prime and vehicle mode he's really suffering. I haaaaaaaaaaaaaate his clear grill and just a bit of white paint to separate out the windows on his chest (as the mold seems to have intended) would do wonders for the toy in my mind.

I guess I'm picky about my paint, but that flaw almost ruins two out of the three modes for me. I don't regret buying the figure. He's pretty good. But I can see them coming out with another movie anniversary pack containing the deco I think the figure really needs. And I might get it again then. Maybe.

[-Kanrabat-]

It's true that the clear abs and unseparated windows are a bit weird. But that's what make it "Cybertronian" I guess?

Reprolabels to the rescue!

[Gauntlet101010]

Reprolabels did a decent job, but having a sticker cover up all the sculpted details isn't the solution for me.

"Cybertronian" should be a code word for "lazy" or "cheap."

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Optimus wasn't really that big of a guy, he's not that much taller then say Ironhide or Ratchet traditionally, he's a flat-nose truck he's not going to be a giant among Transformers.

THAT'S NOT TURE! HERE'S THE PROOF:

Ah yes, that ridiculousness

@Deadput I'm only seeing your post because Kanrabat quoted it, but I'll respond anyway. You're right that as a flat-nose truck G1 Optimus wouldn't be a giant among Transformers... but he should still be bigger compared to his fellows than the WFC versions are. In vehicle mode, the size difference is especially noticeable: WFC Optimus is closer to the G1 toy's 1:48 scale while the other Autobots are more in the ballpark of 1:32 scale. As far as robot mode goes... In the cartoon, Optimus is usually only a few heads taller than Ratchet and Ironhide (as per the official scale guide, which has them coming up to his abs), but Ratchet and Ironhide are themselves notably taller than the likes of Sideswipe and Prowl.

[-Kanrabat-]

The most important scale is the ROBOT scale. That's how it goes for the Studio Series and the WFC Trilogy. So I can forgive the truck being a wee bit too small and the jets and trains and space shuttles being WAY too small. The robots (and price points) would be all over the place if the vehicle scale was prioritised.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

The most important scale is the ROBOT scale. That's how it goes for the Studio Series and the WFC Trilogy. So I can forgive the truck being a wee bit too small and the jets and trains and space shuttles being WAY too small. The robots (and price points) would be all over the place if the vehicle scale was prioritised.

Okay, but 1. The altmode scale concessions required by a cab-over semi to fit in with sports cars and such are minimal if not nonexistent next to those required by planes, trains, and spacecraft, and 2. Like I have said multiple times, WFC Optimus is too small for both the vehicle and the robot scale.


This is the official scale chart they're supposed to be more or less living up to.

Now, compare, Sideswipe and Hound relative to Optimus on that chart...


...to this.

[-Kanrabat-]

Now, compare, Sideswipe and Hound relative to Optimus on that chart...
...to this.

Well, close enough I say.