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[Sentinel_Primal]

Is it too far out of the realm of possibility to hope that it's an Armada Super Mode Prime?

[Seibertron]

He's obviously a Magnus redeco: I mean, what else would he be?

What if they actually went all out and gave us an Optimus Prime with a trailer in a special edition package or something? Now that would be awesome. Especially if we got a Weaponizer Roller. I'd love to see that!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

He's obviously a Magnus redeco: I mean, what else would he be?

What if they actually went all out and gave us an Optimus Prime with a trailer in a special edition package or something? Now that would be awesome. Especially if we got a Weaponizer Roller. I'd love to see that!

And now, since I didn't know we were getting a leader Prime, I will wait on the most likely to be plentiful voyager to see what a leader would give us. If it is the voyager with a weaponizable trailer and/or Roller, it would be spectacular

[Skritz]

He's obviously a Magnus redeco: I mean, what else would he be?

What if they actually went all out and gave us an Optimus Prime with a trailer in a special edition package or something? Now that would be awesome. Especially if we got a Weaponizer Roller. I'd love to see that!

I thought about it but I don't want to end splurging on Voyager Prime only to find out an identical figure came with a trailer later in the line.

[william-james88]

The main reason it works for Shockwave is that it justifies the 'totally-not-a-gun-submarine' mode.

That is 100% BS. He looks like an upside down space gun in both his regular and upped mode. Plus Sixshot was sold as an upside down gun /Submarine without extra crap. Shockwave has extra parts to fill a leader slot, thats it, end of story.

As for Optimus, Hasbro said they plan for a Leader Optimus in every Gen line so this comes to no surpise. I think it will be his own mold. Maybe an homage to RID Optimus, who knows. Or probably Optimus with Trailer, as people are now expecting.

[Seibertron]

The main reason it works for Shockwave is that it justifies the 'totally-not-a-gun-submarine' mode.

That is 100% BS. He looks like an upside down space gun in both his regular and upped mode. Plus Sixshot was sold as an upside down gun /Submarine without extra crap. Shockwave has extra parts to fill a leader slot, thats it, end of story.

As for Optimus, Hasbro said they plan for a Leader Optimus in every Gen line so this comes to no surpise. I think it will be his own mold. Maybe an homage to RID Optimus, who knows. Or probably Optimus with Trailer, as people are now expecting.

Why are you saying that's "BS". You sound very defensive!

[Wolfman Jake]

I'm hoping for a premium Optimus with trailer, roller, and all the other G1 goodies we would want for that mysterious Leader Class release.

Seibertron, have you tried fooling around with any of the battle damage paint apps yet? I'm very curious to know if it's at all easy to remove some of them with either isopropyl alcohol or a little nail polish remover (e.g., acetone). I know acetone is bad for plastic, but it can be okay as long as you just use a little and clean it off afterwards.

[Seibertron]

I'm hoping for a premium Optimus with trailer, roller, and all the other G1 goodies we would want for that mysterious Leader Class release.

Seibertron, have you tried fooling around with any of the battle damage paint apps yet? I'm very curious to know if it's at all easy to remove some of them with either isopropyl alcohol or a little nail polish remover (e.g., acetone). I know acetone is bad for plastic, but it can be okay as long as you just use a little and clean it off afterwards.

No I will leave the battle paint on it. I don't mind it. Would love to see Voyager Megatron with the Generations Leader Class silver paint job though!

[starrhero]

The main reason it works for Shockwave is that it justifies the 'totally-not-a-gun-submarine' mode.

That is 100% BS. He looks like an upside down space gun in both his regular and upped mode. Plus Sixshot was sold as an upside down gun /Submarine without extra crap. Shockwave has extra parts to fill a leader slot, thats it, end of story.

As for Optimus, Hasbro said they plan for a Leader Optimus in every Gen line so this comes to no surpise. I think it will be his own mold. Maybe an homage to RID Optimus, who knows. Or probably Optimus with Trailer, as people are now expecting.

I do hope is something different. I'd love to see a Prime from a different series get representation. I didn't know that said they wanted to make a Leader Prime in each line though, so that's something to take in now.

As for Shockwave, yeah, I know it's bs. Everyone knows that's pretty bs. It's just for the extra leader slot (which I should have mentioned.) The reason I said it justifies the 'not-a-gun' mode is that the extra crud does actually make Shockwave's alt mode look like a ship or sub of some kind. Sixshot had an excuse for looking like a pure gun, as he's a quad-changer and needs to change into 5 other things. If Shockwave had been released as a pure voyager, he'd probably have a slightly different alternate mode which you could fiddle with to make it look like a gun.

But yeah, old Shocky clearly exist to fill a slot in a size class. I was just trying to talk about how they could do something different with Prime to try and make him different from the voyager and me hoping they wouldn't treat him like Shockwave.

[Skritz]

Man, if they have a Leader Optimus in eacb line it's going to suck and warm shelves like crazy.

[Wolfman Jake]

Deluxes:
E3520 Sideswipe
E3535 Skytread/flywheels
E3537 Hound
E3536 Cog
E3539 Chromia
E3538 Ironhide
E3540 Prowl
E4738 Sixgun
E4496 Red alert
E4497 Refraktor/reflector
E4498 Barricade
E4499 Brunt
E4500 Autobot fan vote (Mirage)
E4501 decepticon fan vote (Impactor)

Exclusive deluxe:
Ratchet UPC 63050983224

Voyagers:
E3541 Optimus Prime
E3543 Megatron
E3544 Starscream
E3545 Soundwave
E4490 Thundercracker
E4491 Springer

Leaders:
E3479 Ultra Magnus
E3576 Shockwave
E4522 Optimus Prime

Interesting, and a little disappointing. If that is indeed the FULL list for Siege, then we'll be waiting quite a while more for a new Bluestreak and Smokescreen to go along with Prowl, and a Skywarp to complete the Seeker trio. It's also worth noting that we're getting even fewer Leader Class figures than ever before (in the Prime Wars trilogy, at least). I wonder if this is in response to some of the issues we've seen, such as a glut of unsold Combiner Wars Leader figures, and distribution problems with Leaders in Titans Return and Power of the Primes (is Optimal Optimus going to even hit shelves at this point with Siege already showing up in U.S. stores?). Walmart stores that actually stock Leader figures are few and far between now, and the Studio Series has only had one wave with two figures in the Leader Class for all of 2018. I think Hasbro is really scaling back on the Leader size class overall. Maybe concentrating on just two or three "big" figures per year will make it easier to everyone to find one before new stock is pushed through for the next line or calendar year.

[Skritz]

I guess at this rate we'll never get Star Saber and Deathsaurus, huh?

[william-james88]

But yeah, old Shocky clearly exist to fill a slot in a size class. I was just trying to talk about how they could do something different with Prime to try and make him different from the voyager and me hoping they wouldn't treat him like Shockwave.

I see, makes sense and its a nice thing to hope for, something I could get behind as well

Also thanks for agreeing, now Seibertron can see what I meant by saying BS, thanks to you expanding on it. Glad to know I am not alone in acknowledging that

[william-james88]

Man, if they have a Leader Optimus in eacb line it's going to suck and warm shelves like crazy.

Its worked pretty well so far. Optimus Prime is usually the first leader figure to sell out when there is a restock. I remember seeing a bunch of TR Blasters but no Optimuses and its the case right now with me only seeing Rodimus everywhere I go. Optimus Prime sells the best and Hasbro needs toys of him to fill several price points for parents. Another Optimus Prime is basically the same as saying another Raphael or another Darth Vader.

Also just to clarify, Hasbro did not explicitly say that there will be a leader OP in every line. That assumption comes from when we (Seibertron) asked why Hasbro didnt wait for the evolution gimmick in TR to release PMOP:

The idea we have in Power of the Primes line is that they evolve up so he would have been a good fit. But in the year Titans Return we wanted to make sure we had a big version of Optimus Prime and there's only so many big cool versions of the character so as we were looking at the Titans Return ecosystem we weren't even thinking of that evolution system yet which only came to real form a year ago and by that time Power Master Prime was already finished.

It seems, from this, that hasbro intends to have big versions of Optimus Prime available. Now is it in every line? We'll see. But it wouldnt surprise me.

[Nickster563]

Man, if they have a Leader Optimus in eacb line it's going to suck and warm shelves like crazy.

Its worked pretty well so far. Optimus Prime is usually the first leader figure to sell out when there is a restock. I remember seeing a bunch of TR Blasters but no Optimuses and its the case right now with me only seeing Rodimus everywhere I go. Optimus Prime sells the best and Hasbro needs toys of him to fill several price points for parents. Another Optimus Prime is basically the same as saying another Raphael or another Darth Vader.

Also just to clarify, Hasbro did not explicitly say that there will be a leader OP in every line. That assumption comes from when we (Seibertron) asked why Hasbro didnt wait for the evolution gimmick in TR to release PMOP:

The idea we have in Power of the Primes line is that they evolve up so he would have been a good fit. But in the year Titans Return we wanted to make sure we had a big version of Optimus Prime and there's only so many big cool versions of the character so as we were looking at the Titans Return ecosystem we weren't even thinking of that evolution system yet which only came to real form a year ago and by that time Power Master Prime was already finished.

It seems, from this, that hasbro intends to have big versions of Optimus Prime available. Now is it in every line? We'll see. But it wouldnt surprise me.

God i hope not. Dont get me wrong, I think potp optimus is great! (never owned the tr one) But having a leader optimus every year would be taking that spot away from any other potential character we still haven't a chug representation of. (looking at you star saber)

[william-james88]

At this point last year, we had a very good idea at the entirety of the Power of the Primes line and due to all the listings found across various Amazon sites, it might be the same with Siege, at least for the Deluxe, Voyager and Leader Figures. We had newsed them as they came in but now we will list all the toys we know that are within the Siege line. This might not mean that this is the entirety for all classes, but it is all the listings out now for this one year line. The deluxe and voyagers output at least seems complete, as far as mainline toys go. Make of it what you will. The big entry here that people may have missed is a leader sized Optimus Prime that is slated for later in 2019.

You will notice that certain expected redecos are not listed, such as Skywarp, and the other Datsuns (Bluestreak and Smokescreen). Skywarp's current absence is reinforced by him not being present on the recent promotional material for the Decepticon releases. These may of course end up as exclusives, just like Ratchet is, or released in later lines within the War for Cybertron trilogy.

Deluxes:
E3520 Sideswipe
E3535 Skytread/flywheels
E3537 Hound
E3536 Cog
E3539 Chromia
E3538 Ironhide
E3540 Prowl
E4738 Sixgun
E4496 Red alert
E4497 Refraktor
E4498 Barricade
E4499 Brunt
E4500 Mirage
E4501 Impactor
Ratchet is exclusive to Walgreens, UPC 63050983224

Voyagers:
E3541 Optimus Prime
E3543 Megatron
E3544 Starscream
E3545 Soundwave
E4490 Thundercracker
E4491 Springer

Leaders:
E3479 Ultra Magnus
E3576 Shockwave
E4522 Optimus Prime

[SpikeyTigertron]

Every time I see that poster... it screams "box set" or a special release like when Primus came with the limited Unicron head.

[Emerje]

Wouldn't a "big" Optimus Prime go against what they've set up so far in Siege? It's hard to picture a Leader Optimus being anything other than a Voyager with a lot of armor after Ultra Magnus and Shockwave. It'll just be an expensive Optimus Prime. I'll be surprised if Leader Optimus isn't a repaint of UM's inner bot with new/retooled armor to get another use out of the mold. Maybe the trailer bits can make him look like the IDW Optimus Prime design.



Just don't be PM Optimus again, not right now, we just had two of them.

Or heck, do something new.

Emerje

[Agent 53]

Wouldn't a "big" Optimus Prime go against what they've set up so far in Siege? It's hard to picture a Leader Optimus being anything other than a Voyager with a lot of armor after Ultra Magnus and Shockwave. It'll just be an expensive Optimus Prime. I'll be surprised if Leader Optimus isn't a repaint of UM's inner bot with new/retooled armor to get another use out of the mold. Maybe the trailer bits can make him look like the IDW Optimus Prime design.

Just don't be PM Optimus again, not right now, we just had two of them.

Or heck, do something new.

Emerje

I expect Prime will be, at least at base, an Ultra Magnus repaint/ retool. Whether he's a Powermaster figure I don't know. Given that Magnus has Car Robots inspiration (I've gotta use the Japan name now because RID could be the Anime I meant, or the comic or the cartoon) I kind of hope we'll get something more like that super Optimus, or Cybertron Optimus.

[Emerje]

Now that I think about it, Unicron Trilogy Cybertron Optimus Prime is basically the same concept as Siege Shockwave. His super mode(s) didn't really change him much, it was just boots and a bunch of weapons.

Emerje

[ZeroWolf]

I'm thinking apex armour op for leader Class. What would be awesome is if it was something new that resembled rid fire truck Prime to match rid um I wouldn't be complaining if they combined either that's the longest shot though.

[Agent 53]

Is the Megatron Gallery not working for anyone else or Is it Just me?

Also now that it's been suggested if they don't give us either a weaponiser, Micromaster or Battle Master Roller I may actually die of disappointment. That said if they do I may die of excitement.

[Mechastrike]

hoping to get a triple changing Springer this time. i mean i missed the 2011-13 Generations version.

[Easy Tiger]

Surely the obvious Leader Optimus Prime take is the voyager OP with a trailer.

In the early G1 episodes, much more is made of his trailer and Roller. Seeing as they're more concerned with scale this time, it seems weird that they'd make a huge OP.

They essentially did the same with Shockwave - let's be honest, he's just a voyager figure with extras.

EDIT - I see all of this has already been suggested in the Megatron gallery bit of the thread. I'll just sit quietly now.

[crash8burnt]

What r the chances we may get Bumblebee and Blaster in this line?