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[Wolfman Jake]

On a side note, wonder if Hasbro got production samples saw how ugly he was and went, "WE MUST FIX THIS!"

Well there was this shot which freaked everyone out:

Did you intend this for the Masterpiece thread?

[chuckdawg1999]

Strange, wonder why they were cancelled

I think it was a “low stock” issue (alternatively Hasbro May have changed shipping dates?)

I also had two Mattel WWE figures canceled. This happened once before with a Go-Saurer model kit, they actually got the kit in-stock like a week after the original release date. My paranoia wants me to say it's a set up by Amazon to get people to order from their third party sellers more.

How would that be beneficial for them?

They get a big cut from 3rd party sales?

[Emerje]

Strange, wonder why they were cancelled

I think it was a “low stock” issue (alternatively Hasbro May have changed shipping dates?)

I also had two Mattel WWE figures canceled. This happened once before with a Go-Saurer model kit, they actually got the kit in-stock like a week after the original release date. My paranoia wants me to say it's a set up by Amazon to get people to order from their third party sellers more.

How would that be beneficial for them?

They get a big cut from 3rd party sales?

Wouldn't they get a bigger cut of their own sales? That also assumes everyone that buys from Amazon would automatically buy from one of their sellers which isn't guaranteed.

This might have more to do with confusing US pre-order regulations that require cancellations on certain things if they aren't filled within 3 months. I can't find the specifics on the regs, but I remember Toys R Us being notorious for canceling pre-orders without warning after 3 months, several of us experienced that with Titans Return Arcee. A more mainstream example is Samsung's folding phone facing pre-order cancellation if it can't get them out by May 31st (they wont). I'm guessing the pre-orders that were canceled are the ones from February when Hasbro started their whole "see now, buy now" or whatever it's called thing. Right now would be 3 months after those pre-orders were made during Toy Fair in February.

Emerje

[william-james88]

Did you intend this for the Masterpiece thread?

Yup, got confused with various discussions.

[Stargrave]

Yikes. That dudes nails...

Nails...his face mask... I just got that

[o.supreme]

Guys, you can still post anything related on the boards. No one will and should stop you. With Optibotimus though, we wouldnt front page it, since he asked us not to. But that's only something for news staff to worry about, anyone can post his reviews on the forum.

The reason we wouldn't news this regardless is because we already posted a video review on jetfire a while ago.

That is actually good to know, I was not aware. I'm pretty indifferent to most reviewers, but Optibotimus did have one review recently that was a first, and I newsed it, but now I know why it wasn't followed up on.

[Stargrave]

Sometimes it feels like going over to a friends house to play toys, only it’s the friend who only lets you watch them play with their toys. And sometimes, when the toy is cool enough, I’m just fine with that arrangement.

Some reviewers I just have to hit that mute button I’ll be honest. It’s like I can only take so much pronounced annunciation through deviated septums.

[Nemesis Primal]

Refraktor looks good, just a nice solid Deceptigoon.

That talk about a possible Perceptor made me have a thought though, so I put together a list of all the molds and their alternate heads that we know of, because we haven't had some good harmless speculation in a while and nothing else is happening:

Sideswipe mold: Red Alert
Skytread mold: Slamdance
Hound mold: possibly Cybertron Defense Hot Shot? (from box art)
Prowl mold: Smokescreen/Barricade
Chromia mold: ??? (hopefully there isn't one?)
Ironhide mold: Ratchet (confirmed by IDW comics, apparently, plus it was an obvious jump)
Refraktor mold: ???
Impactor mold: ???
Mirage mold: ???
Voyager OP mold: ???
Megatron mold: IDW Miner Megs (used on G2 Camo Megs from Selects)
Starscream mold: Thundercracker/smirk
Soundwave mold: ???
Springer mold: ???
Shockwave mold: ???
Ultra Magnus mold: Optimus Prime
Greenlight mold: ??? (probably Lancer, given the code website confirming another limb coming)

Unknown Quantities:
Jetfire: new size class, dunno if the mold has an alternate head sculpt or if it's just 1 a year like the Titans
Weaponizers: Dunno if they have alternate heads, or if we're even getting more (hoping we will though)
Apeface & Astrotrain: Rumored through product listings, possibly meant for next segment of WFC trilogy
35th Anniversary Soundblaster: Allegedly has a retooled tape door, but Soundblaster has the same head as Soundwave, right?

Thoughts on the ???s and unknowns?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

You're forgetting the Battle Masters and Micromasters, they have pretools among them too:

Firedrive: ???
Blowpipe/Caliburst: Aimless
Lionizer/Dazlestrike: ???
Pteraxadon: ???
Smashdown: ???

Flak: ???
Topshot: Red Heat
Swindler: Blackjack
Roadhandler: Hyperdrive
Stakeout: ???
Visper: ???
Storm Cloud: ???
Ravage: ???
Laserbeak: ???
Highjump: ???
Powertrain: ???

To be fair, I don't really see any potential retools in that bunch

[Stargrave]

Honestly lately I’ve been looking at Skytread and seeing an easy repaint into a baby Blitzwing you see it right? I can’t unsee it now. With his one handedness I wonder if Impactor’s mold would be a candidate for like a Cybertronian Trailbreaker.

[TF-fan kev777]

Chromia mold: ??? (hopefully there isn't one?)

Priceless

[Microbot]

Refraktor looks good, just a nice solid Deceptigoon.

That talk about a possible Perceptor made me have a thought though, so I put together a list of all the molds and their alternate heads that we know of, because we haven't had some good harmless speculation in a while and nothing else is happening:

Sideswipe mold: Red Alert
Skytread mold: Slamdance
Hound mold: possibly Cybertron Defense Hot Shot? (from box art)
Prowl mold: Smokescreen/Barricade
Chromia mold: ??? (hopefully there isn't one?)
Ironhide mold: Ratchet (confirmed by IDW comics, apparently, plus it was an obvious jump)
Refraktor mold: ???
Impactor mold: ???
Mirage mold: ???
Voyager OP mold: ???
Megatron mold: IDW Miner Megs (used on G2 Camo Megs from Selects)
Starscream mold: Thundercracker/smirk
Soundwave mold: ???
Springer mold: ???
Shockwave mold: ???
Ultra Magnus mold: Optimus Prime
Greenlight mold: ??? (probably Lancer, given the code website confirming another limb coming)

Unknown Quantities:
Jetfire: new size class, dunno if the mold has an alternate head sculpt or if it's just 1 a year like the Titans
Weaponizers: Dunno if they have alternate heads, or if we're even getting more (hoping we will though)
Apeface & Astrotrain: Rumored through product listings, possibly meant for next segment of WFC trilogy
35th Anniversary Soundblaster: Allegedly has a retooled tape door, but Soundblaster has the same head as Soundwave, right?

Thoughts on the ???s and unknowns?

No more female bot with horrible greenlight/Chromia mold PLEASE! I want a good and better Arcee without that horrible backpack but with some good battle damage on her! Also, I hope the Galaxy prime will be recolor as a Nemesis Prime or Solo Prime. And please give em Dinobots and Wheeljack!

Great to read about Apeface and Astrotrain, I really like that idea! Do you think the command class can be fit for more figures? I don't know who can fit there....just see right for Jetfire t moment...

[Skritz]

I'm curious if Hasbro did pretools/shared molds for this line knowing it was going to be about POTP-sized. Especially since in recent years we've seen unused heads (T30 Orion Pax into Kup) which only ever get used in Japan (which is less likely now due to shared lines) or by FunPub (Which is even less likely because its gone!). My theory is that we might see these retools for other parts of the trilogy, giving people time to 'breathe' and making the line seem less repetitive as CW was.

I theorize that, with a line so focus on G1 toon accuracy, that making a character as 'another guy with new colors and new heads' seems way less likely if it didn't exist in G1 already. So Ironhide into Ratchet and Prowl into Smokescreen were pretty obvious reveals. I could see Mirage being redone into G2 Leadfoot (all he need is a new head since I doubt his derpy rotor will remain!) and Hound into Ironfist.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I'm curious if Hasbro did pretools/shared molds for this line knowing it was going to be about POTP-sized. Especially since in recent years we've seen unused heads (T30 Orion Pax into Kup) which only ever get used in Japan (which is less likely now due to shared lines) or by FunPub (Which is even less likely because its gone!). My theory is that we might see these retools for other parts of the trilogy, giving people time to 'breathe' and making the line seem less repetitive as CW was.

I theorize that, with a line so focus on G1 toon accuracy, that making a character as 'another guy with new colors and new heads' seems way less likely if it didn't exist in G1 already. So Ironhide into Ratchet and Prowl into Smokescreen were pretty obvious reveals. I could see Mirage being redone into G2 Leadfoot (all he need is a new head since I doubt his derpy rotor will remain!) and Hound into Ironfist.

What is curious is that they're sticking with simple part swaps this time around: Ultra Magnus into Cybertron Prime is the only example of Prime Wars-style rehashing in the main, non-exclusive line.

[Skritz]

I think this is because there's kind of a 'soft' mandate to try to have an Optimus Prime at Leader class and they figured he might as well be something interesting rather than a flat out recolor of Ultra Magnus.

[Nemesis Primal]

To be fair, I don't really see any potential retools in that bunch

Yeah, the reasons I didn't include them were a combination of that, figuring the majority of people would be more excited by the larger size classes, and not wanting to make my post so long that nobody wanted to read it .

Honestly lately I’ve been looking at Skytread and seeing an easy repaint into a baby Blitzwing you see it right? I can’t unsee it now. With his one handedness I wonder if Impactor’s mold would be a candidate for like a Cybertronian Trailbreaker.

Tiny Blitzy would mess up the whole scale thing they've got going on, sadly, and we just got an amazing Blitzwing via Titans Return. That remold would be a real cool look for Trailbreaker, but given he's never been a tank before, and I don't feel like they would change that now, it seems unlikely. Plus, the one-handedness of the mold is optional. I still want/hope the Impactor mold to be re-tooled as Demolishor.

Great to read about Apeface and Astrotrain, I really like that idea! Do you think the command class can be fit for more figures? I don't know who can fit there....just see right for Jetfire t moment...

The main other Commander Class candidates that come to mind for me are Deathsaurus, Lugnut, and possibly Tidal Wave and/or Scorponok (an IDW/Energon-ish one, not a citybot-sized one), but I don't know about anyone else. Maybe Tesarus or Helex if they ever made the DJD (which they sadly won't)?

My theory is that we might see these retools for other parts of the trilogy, giving people time to 'breathe' and making the line seem less repetitive as CW was...I could see Mirage being redone into G2 Leadfoot (all he need is a new head since I doubt his derpy rotor will remain!) and Hound into Ironfist.

I also subscribe to that theory, it would make sense since there's no line-wide gimmicks restricting the mold usage. Mirage into Leadfoot makes sense, there are only so many dragster TFs, although I'm curious if they'd go for a fusion of G2 and Movie Leadfoot over straight G2 Leadfoot, since I think the Movie guy is kinda more recognizable to the casual audience. I will also accept any new Ironfist of any kind whatsoever, I really would love a figure of him, but the alternate head on Hound's packaging art was absolutely not Ironfist-ish in any real way.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I would love to see a G2 Leadfoot from Mirage. And I would not mind a bit of movie influence in his coloration either.

[Stargrave]

Chronologically speaking it would almost make more sense if we were going to see all the same or many of the same characters just with Earth modes in the next phase. We won’t see that on the toy aisle but I wonder how that will shake out in the story.

[Stargrave]

Every day I look at my TR Domey and Rewind and I know it wasn’t that long ago but I want Cybertronian versions of my favorite TF couple. It’s Chromewind

[Stargrave]

I know people were suffering Windblade burn out but she's had a minute to cool off. And I like her. Her arc in IDW represented an unfortunate lull in where the rest of that universe was at the time there was a lot of exposition going on at least at the start but towards the end she won over my heart. I would love LOVE to see a Siege Windblade. I didn't even get her TR wave in my town it's my time for some more Windblade!

While I'm at it, I'm always ready for more Insecticons.

[ThunderThruster]

Mirage mold: ???

I could see Mirage being redone into G2 Leadfoot (all he need is a new head since I doubt his derpy rotor will remain!) and Hound into Ironfist.

Perhaps an unpopular opinion but I could see Mirage repainted (and re-headed) into Slapdash.

[o.supreme]

I know people were suffering Windblade burn out but she's had a minute to cool off. And I like her. Her arc in IDW represented an unfortunate lull in where the rest of that universe was at the time there was a lot of exposition going on at least at the start but towards the end she won over my heart. I would love LOVE to see a Siege Windblade. I didn't even get her TR wave in my town it's my time for some more Windblade!

Happily, I think you'll find most of the fans here share your affinity for Windblade. I say this as one of the outliers who never cared for the character, and think she has been overused quite a bit, and am still waiting for her to go away (she has been a major player in every line across animation, comics, & toys since her inception except for the Live Action films...) .

I do admit her TR Deluxe wave was virtually non existent in the US, but I was mostly looking forward to seeing Misfire & Twintwist.

If you like the character, she is front and center, as expected, for the 35th anniversary branding, so no doubt there are more toys to come. I would be *pleasantly* shocked if there was no toy planned for the 2020 generations line, unless they plan just to keep churning them out for the Cyberverse line aimed at a younger demographic.

[AcademyofDrX]

I love Windblade as a character, but I'm not desperate for a new figure. She's averaged a figure a year since her introduction, and her design is quite consistent across the various toylines, though obviously the animated tie-ins are more basic figures. And the T30 figure is still reasonably priced on the secondary market.

On the other hand, she's a key figure in the comics alongside Bumblebee. I'm certain we will see a Bumblebee in the next WFC phase, so it would make sense for her to show up then. Hopefully that phase's play feature will offer some unique value if she does get a new mold.

[william-james88]

Every day I look at my TR Domey and Rewind and I know it wasn’t that long ago but I want Cybertronian versions of my favorite TF couple. It’s Chromewind

Chromedome's alt mode isn't cybertronian?

[Sabrblade]

Every day I look at my TR Domey and Rewind and I know it wasn’t that long ago but I want Cybertronian versions of my favorite TF couple. It’s Chromewind

Chromedome's alt mode isn't cybertronian?

And I don't believe that that tank mode of Rewind's is based on any Earth tank either.