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[Stargrave]

I’m seeing a few blurbs on Twitter about Jetfire preorders encountering hiccups. Is there a history of too many preorders bottlenecking and delaying orders?
Ya’ll better get your Jetfires.

[Cobotron]

I miss Legends class too. I just like that size for pocket fun on the run.
But all I really want is a new Cliffjumper in a mold unique to him.
Maybe a new Warpath, but I'm the only one around here who can live with the CW one.

What other minibots are left that haven't been done in the last 3 or 4 years? I'm drawing a blank ATM.

Given that he's a big part of the story, I reluctantly think there should be a Bumblebee.

I agree. I would be ok with a new Bee in a Cybertronian alt mode.

Also, this is just me thinking Legends is the most logical scale for minibots in the current system (which has finally been very logical), but they could go weird on us and do anybody in Legends scale. They do it all the time.

Edit: Yeah, Pipes and Huffer. Good choices, but again, I'm the only one happy with the CW ones.

[AcademyofDrX]

I miss Legends class too. I just like that size for pocket fun on the run.
But all I really want is a new Cliffjumper in a mold unique to him.
Maybe a new Warpath, but I'm the only one around here who can live with the CW one.

What other minibots are left that haven't been done in the last 3 or 4 years? I'm drawing a blank ATM.

My 1985 lineup is complete, but it has that weird Cliffjumper from T30. In addition to Warpath, the Huffer/Pipes releases were off-model.

[no-one]

Edit: Yeah, Pipes and Huffer. Good choices, but again, I'm the only one happy with the CW ones.

We may be the only two. I really like them and they are the only figures in that mold I'm keeping. If new ones were released they'd have to be pretty **** good for me to jump.

I like Bee and would love to have a Cybertronian version in legends scale, but will settle for just a CliffyJ if that's all I can get.

I wonder if the entire WFC trilogy will be pre-earth designs? I hope so

EDIT: a good Cybertronian legends Bee, I don't count this as good, but kind of straddles the Cybertron/Earth vibe like a lot of the Siege figures do. I don't know, the proportions are weird.




I got him to go with the old WFC Prime, but ended up just not liking the figure.

[o.supreme]

What other minibots are left that haven't been done in the last 3 or 4 years? I'm drawing a blank ATM.

Gears & Swerve has been absent the longest IIRC. Yes they both did have T30 releases (and some T30 did get reissued recently such as Cosmos & Schrapnel). But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw them in the near future as a whole new figure, or an altered reissue of the T30 ones to service whatever the next gimmick is.

Also, somehow, my mind read the end of your statement as "I'm withdrawing *Blank* at the ATM"

[Stargrave]

What other minibots are left that haven't been done in the last 3 or 4 years? I'm drawing a blank ATM.

Gears & Swerve has been absent the longest IIRC. Yes they both did have T30 releases (and some T30 did get reissued recently such as Cosmos & Schrapnel). But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw them in the near future as a whole new figure, or an altered reissue of the T30 ones to service whatever the next gimmick is.

Also, somehow, my mind read the end of your statement as "I'm withdrawing *Blank* at the ATM"

Same

[no-one]

What other minibots are left that haven't been done in the last 3 or 4 years? I'm drawing a blank ATM.

Gears & Swerve has been absent the longest IIRC.

Gears, YES! Good call. That's the other minibot I need in my Gen collection.

I'm probably biased, but I like T30 Swerve just fine #ontheroadwithswerve

[Cobotron]

In addition to Warpath, the Huffer/Pipes releases were off-model.

I can live with off model. I'm not a toon accuracy guy. Plus, it's called a "rescan". Happens all the time!

Also, somehow, my mind read the end of your statement as "I'm withdrawing *Blank* at the ATM"

Same

Well this is very true actually. It's why I haven't locked in some Refraktors or Jetfire. Payday can't come soon enough!

[RustedCross]

Jetfire is looking awesome on the wall.

[Sentinel_Primal]

With Apeface we can assume Snapdragon’s on the way but now I’m feeling that with branching Siege out into beast modes maybe we’ll see Horri-Bull Squeezeplay and Fangry with a lead up to Scorponok.

I'd love it if we could get a new Horri-Bull that's actually a deluxe. Especially the lead up to Scorponok. But I feel like the best we're going to get is Snapdragon and MAYBE Scorponok as the Titan for the year

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

In addition to Warpath, the Huffer/Pipes releases were off-model.

I can live with off model. I'm not a toon accuracy guy. Plus, it's called a "rescan". Happens all the time!

I think they're waaay too off. CW Huffer is an Optimus Prime headswap, and CW Pipes is a lazy redeco of Huffer. Meaning he has neither his own head nor, in fact, his pipes.

With Apeface we can assume Snapdragon’s on the way but now I’m feeling that with branching Siege out into beast modes maybe we’ll see Horri-Bull Squeezeplay and Fangry with a lead up to Scorponok.

I'd love it if we could get a new Horri-Bull that's actually a deluxe. Especially the lead up to Scorponok. But I feel like the best we're going to get is Snapdragon and MAYBE Scorponok as the Titan for the year

Well, Horri-Bull could be done as a Skullsmasher retool.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

With Apeface we can assume Snapdragon’s on the way but now I’m feeling that with branching Siege out into beast modes maybe we’ll see Horri-Bull Squeezeplay and Fangry with a lead up to Scorponok.

I'd love it if we could get a new Horri-Bull that's actually a deluxe. Especially the lead up to Scorponok. But I feel like the best we're going to get is Snapdragon and MAYBE Scorponok as the Titan for the year

I agree. Complete the bigger Headmasters first, then the smaller ones. Maybe fit Trizer somewhere in there, then Kirk, Loafer and Rodney

[no-one]

Well, Horri-Bull could be done as a Skullsmasher retool.

Why not a new mold, they're kinda on a roll here with more new than old.

[Ig89ninja]

Jetfire is looking awesome on the wall.

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Woah! He can sucker punch a combiner!

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Well, Horri-Bull could be done as a Skullsmasher retool.

Why not a new mold, they're kinda on a roll here with more new than old.

Like the Prime Trilogy has been (except for Legends Class in CW). I did notice that for Siege the amount of retools/reshells has been dialed back, with only 10 in the main line compared to the countless in CW and TR, most of them internal if I may add.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Well, Horri-Bull could be done as a Skullsmasher retool.

Why not a new mold, they're kinda on a roll here with more new than old.

Well, they have to save money somewhere. I think Skullsmasher into Horri-Bull/Bullhorn could work and work well based on the ridges and the transformation engineering. Whereas Squeezeplay/Cancer and Fangry/Wilder would absolutely need new molds.

[no-one]

Well, Horri-Bull could be done as a Skullsmasher retool.

Why not a new mold, they're kinda on a roll here with more new than old.

Well, they have to save money somewhere.

But why? They can pass that cost onto the consumer like they have with the Siege and Studio series line. I feel like we're getting better bots for it as well. Hasbro has seemingly acknowledged the collector market and are catering to us now (HasbroPulse/selects line/multiple exclusives). Go all in with the mini-masterpiece concept.

Now the real question is how much are we willing to pay for higher quality figures. Personally I'd pay more, but this will be a quality vs quantity scenario. Now before the pitch forks and torches are brought out, consider how much more was spent on importing Takara figures when they were labeled the "superior" versions.

[TF-fan kev777]

Jetfire is looking awesome on the wall.

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Woah! He can sucker punch a combiner!

He sure can, regular or titan sized.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Well, Horri-Bull could be done as a Skullsmasher retool.

Why not a new mold, they're kinda on a roll here with more new than old.

Well, they have to save money somewhere.

But why? They can pass that cost onto the consumer like they have with the Siege and Studio series line.

Because even when doing that, they still have a business incentive to save on costs where they can. And I reiterate that doing Horri-Bull as a retool of Skullsmasher would NOT result in an inferior Horri-Bull. Not if it was done right, which it easily could be. And doing so would save development resources for Fangry and Squeezeplay, both of whom would need new molds no ifs, ands, or buts.

Now the real question is how much are we willing to pay for higher quality figures. Personally I'd pay more, but this will be a quality vs quantity scenario. Now before the pitch forks and torches are brought out, consider how much more was spent on importing Takara figures when they were labeled the "superior" versions.

Ugh, the only thing more annoying than the Cult of Takara is the First Church of Third Party.
Personally, I wouldn't want to see retail line prices go any higher than they already have. It can be enough of a challenge to afford stuff as-is. I think that as-is it's at the limit of what's retail-viable.

Jetfire is looking awesome on the wall.

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Woah! He can sucker punch a combiner!

He sure can, regular or titan sized.

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Which means he can also deck Supreme-class Starscream in the face.

[Cobotron]

Ooooooooh! Right in the Constructinuts!!

[Nemesis Primal]

Ooooooooh! Right in the Constructinuts!!

You mean the wrecking balls?

[no-one]

Well, Horri-Bull could be done as a Skullsmasher retool.

Why not a new mold, they're kinda on a roll here with more new than old.

Well, they have to save money somewhere.

But why? They can pass that cost onto the consumer like they have with the Siege and Studio series line.

Because even when doing that, they still have a business incentive to save on costs where they can. And I reiterate that doing Horri-Bull as a retool of Skullsmasher would NOT result in an inferior Horri-Bull. Not if it was done right, which it easily could be. And doing so would save development resources for Fangry and Squeezeplay, both of whom would need new molds no ifs, ands, or buts.

That's an awful lot of ifs and caveats for a mold that isn't that great to begin with. Retooling may mitigate cost, but there are still going to be cost.

Now the real question is how much are we willing to pay for higher quality figures. Personally I'd pay more, but this will be a quality vs quantity scenario. Now before the pitch forks and torches are brought out, consider how much more was spent on importing Takara figures when they were labeled the "superior" versions.

Personally, I wouldn't want to see retail line prices go any higher than they already have. It can be enough of a challenge to afford stuff as-is. I think that as-is it's at the limit of what's retail-viable.

I agree on both of those, but why did you snip this?

I feel like we're getting better bots for it as well. Hasbro has seemingly acknowledged the collector market and are catering to us now (HasbroPulse/selects line/multiple exclusives).

I'm not talking retail products, I'm talking a hypothetical more premium line and would collectors be willing to pay a premium and if so how much more?

[The_Cryptid_Person]

Siege spinister looks good. Like, really good. But he'll need to be something extraordinary to dethrone the current champion...

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Well, Horri-Bull could be done as a Skullsmasher retool.

Why not a new mold, they're kinda on a roll here with more new than old.

Well, they have to save money somewhere.

But why? They can pass that cost onto the consumer like they have with the Siege and Studio series line.

Because even when doing that, they still have a business incentive to save on costs where they can. And I reiterate that doing Horri-Bull as a retool of Skullsmasher would NOT result in an inferior Horri-Bull. Not if it was done right, which it easily could be. And doing so would save development resources for Fangry and Squeezeplay, both of whom would need new molds no ifs, ands, or buts.

That's an awful lot of ifs and caveats for a mold that isn't that great to begin with. Retooling may mitigate cost, but there are still going to be cost.

Wow, I didn't realize that a single "if" counted as "an awful lot". What postgraduate math class is that taught in? IMO the only real "if" is "If they remember to change the tail weapon too." The mold is fairly decent IMO even if a lot of copies of Skullsmasher came out with loose joints.
And did you seriously just say "Retooling may mitigate cost, but there are still going to be cost"? Well, thank you Captain Obvious! It still means less cost than a completely new mold would have. And again, retooling also mitigates the development resources that get tied up by a project.

Now the real question is how much are we willing to pay for higher quality figures. Personally I'd pay more, but this will be a quality vs quantity scenario. Now before the pitch forks and torches are brought out, consider how much more was spent on importing Takara figures when they were labeled the "superior" versions.

Personally, I wouldn't want to see retail line prices go any higher than they already have. It can be enough of a challenge to afford stuff as-is. I think that as-is it's at the limit of what's retail-viable.

I agree on both of those, but why did you snip this?

I feel like we're getting better bots for it as well. Hasbro has seemingly acknowledged the collector market and are catering to us now (HasbroPulse/selects line/multiple exclusives).

I snipped that bit because it was in the first paragraph and was not the part of the first paragraph I was responding to.

I'm not talking retail products, I'm talking a hypothetical more premium line and would collectors be willing to pay a premium and if so how much more?

That wasn't entirely clear. And the way you presented it kinda implies every new neo-G1 toy needs to be a premium collectors' figure, which I take it is not was not what you were going for.

[no-one]

I'm not talking retail products, I'm talking a hypothetical more premium line and would collectors be willing to pay a premium and if so how much more?

That wasn't entirely clear. And the way you presented it kinda implies every new neo-G1 toy needs to be a premium collectors' figure, which I take it is not was not what you were going for.

A little column A, a little column B. Would you be willing to pay more for better figures? Are you satisfied with what Hasbro is putting on shelves?

Overall I'm pretty satisfied with Siege, but I would be willing to pay a little more for something that's a little better.