ScottyP wrote:SkyFire Prime wrote:Here's that critic again,
Guys you have to realize that not everyone had disposable income throughout the last 20 years or are never able to afford MPs so when you guys huff and puff anytime new G1 versions are released it gets tiresome.
Isn't this the point I made when talking about Prime and his trailer? Just because I personally don't find something super exciting doesn't mean it isn't.
Adimus Prime wrote: And obviously there would be no Masterpiece toys at all if it weren't for their original chug iterations first.
The line that started before Classics wouldn't exist without Classics?
Flashwave wrote:When is the last time we got a G1 Prime and Trailer? Some of the Kiddie Lines have done it, but as far as CHUG is concerned... Never? So this gets a pass. If it was just a Voyager Prime, I would probably pass for the Siege Version I just bought. But its not.
-When is the last tine we got a Cliffjumper? GDO? Not exactly an overplayed character. And the ski gimmick is unique
If we got Hound, Ironhide, and Sideswipe again I might be more apt to grab the flaming Pitchforks and riot, but they are not. and Rail Racer, dammit!
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Another thought though, ehile youvguus are not wrong that rehashing is a great way to potentially land a new Collector, (remembering that the hypothetical "new" collector is at least 41 assuming they were 6 in 1984) this is doing Hasbro no favors to its existing collectors. That's why there has to be a compromise. I really like Titans Return because it found that balance with guys like the Targetmasters and Headmasters that we hadnt seen since 1986.
These are points I made
Were we really pitchforks and stones and molotov cocktails!? If that's how this came out then I truly messed up in communicating for that hour or so.
I'm all for a balanced approach and the new, nicer Cyberverse toys are such a welcome sight. I want more G1 too! There are so many characters that didn't get toys or an update. I want more Beast Wars! Animal transformers are fun and have a different kind of charm. I want Rail Racer and Mini-Cons and something to make the Animated fans shut the hell up
I also want something new and won't apologize for communicating that regularly. There are
two threads on just this first page of general discussion topics with the same energy. When Generations ran alongside stuff like Prime I didn't gripe about G1 redone ad infinitum but when that's most of what's out there that doesn't suck with little exception for years on end it gets exhausting. As implied in the show, I must be wrong and they must be making money and growing "The Brand" anyhow. I hope I am at any rate but there's only so long 1984-1985 can be used as a crutch for the lack of new storytelling effort coming out of Hasbro.
At the same time I'm excited for this new Starscream, Cliffjumper was overdue, Ironworks looks great, I'm generally more positive now about Earthrise than I ever was with Siege. To come in here and see these comments has been baffling and frustrating.
So, Here's the thing.
I wrote a line into my post that got erased somewhere. Makes all the difference:
I wrote that in response to the first two posts, I had not gotten to listen to the Podcast
Now that I am into it, yes you made many of the same points, although I do agree to an extent with "that critic" that your "G1 guys
again..." thoughts, and I do get it, even share it to a degree, opinion overshadows your excitement for some things. But its also not an unfair critisim that everything John Warden was excited for in his interview with Megatronus (some good talking points btw) are thr things you pooh-poohed on. I do think, and take a page from WJ because he gets this in the Top 5 lists, but it should be important to seperate the Masterpiece expectations from this. Its two very different lines, and even though Generations is themed at the old school Collectors, they arent doing Combiners or Blast Effects or Build-A-Base because its ehat Collectors want, they are doing them because they can cross sell to both Collectors as well as the Kids whobare either slughtly older than Cyberverse or "more sophisticated" if that makes sense. And I am not saying don't call ot on defects, Prime's hands are the wrong color, I'm not convinced, as cool as the articulated mitt is, that he'll be able to hold his or thoer accessories well because of it, but ai do think its more important as a Podcast, at least for thr First Look at ToyFair, to be holding this Wheeljack up against other Wheeljacks inbthe same realtive $20, not against the 200$ Version
I look at it like this: I am with ypu, in that I am tired of the same Characters over and over in Generations. If I had bought 8 Siege Seekers I would be throwing things at this announcement. (i didnt. And I am glad. Instead, I can now go and get the Rainmakers and Redwing as the line of defense on Cybertron and collect whatever other Seekers come out of this mold on Earth).
Prime is a great example: (and I know you said something about making piece with multipkes of him per line, but still)
If thus had been just another Voyager cab-over, I would have skipped this HARD. The Siege one is just fine, and I like the Sige Bot mode more, tbh, but this is the one with the Trailer. The Trailer is new to the mainline, its been teased since the Classics Voyager was rumored to have been owed a Leader Class Release with a Trailer in what, 2008? And Scotty, your first reactiin is "yeah, I can build a wall with all the Materpiece Trailers I have". But those are
Masterpiece not
mainline and anyway, how many of those are rare off redecos that the average collector isbt going to have all of?
Or Ironhide: lets say next week they say "We are going to do Ironhide agin. He'll be G1 Itonhide." The fandom will say "AGAIN? I just bought the Siege one! I already have a Masterpiece Ironhide and a half dozen 3Ps. I do t need or wabt this".
Then we find out this is "Slplits in half like Energon Towline and is compatible with the A.I.R. Lock Ramps as his own platform" and we are all excited. Not oonly because it fits the gimmickbut because its new abd different from every 9ther recent Ironhide, even though G1 Did it, Energon Did it, Botcon took the ball and ran with it.
Crap. Now I want that.
1 thing I do agree with you ob 110%
Where the flippin heck is this "Story" John Warden keeps talking about? I see "Toys". Not even "Toys with Bios" Or "Toys with 1 Paragraph plot seeds". You kbow what would be fun and easy? Remeember the HFTD bios, when you have Terradive and JetStream's bios talking about bteaki g cover and trying to blow poor Tomahawk out of the sky because he's slow and helpless, and Tomahawk's bio is him sitting there in the clouds going "C'mon, just a little bit closer flyboy..." We dont evem have that! Or Beast Hunters, where each character got a short blurb about hmwhat they contributed tovthe Beast Hunters Mission, even if it wasnt interteined with anyone else in passing.
