The Energon Pub

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:38 am**

Simple question today, got this idea from another thread. Let's say Skynet is real, and in a few years, is going to unleash nuclear hell on earth. Quite literally, billions will die in one day. Somehow, someway, you come into the knowledge that Skynet is created by one dude. Would you take a sniper rifle, and put a bullet in this poor nerds head while he ignores his child and works at home in his office? And then blow up the place he works? Discuss.

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:43 am**

Maybe first talk to the guy?

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:17 am**

Talk to him?

"Hi! My name is RHa, and this will sound nutty, but you know that operating system for defense command you're working on? Yeah, in about 5 years, it's gonna become sentient, decide 5 minutes later that mankind is its biggest enemy, then launch all of our nukes. China, Russia, and every other country respond in kind, and mankind dies in about an hour.

What? No, I'm not on drugs. Nice phone, who you calling? The police, wait a minute, I'm on the up and up. You gotta listen to me. Oh, wow. Nice shotgun, how did your wife get in here so quietly?"

Like that?

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:41 am**

Actually talking to him would start causing problems to the time line, which could invalidate what you knew. Plus blowing up his place of work may of worked in the nineties but now, his work and all of the work his company did would exist in the cloud, so people looking into the explosion will find it and continue it or leak it and various companies will finish it

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:46 am**

It always comes back to the cloud.......

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:02 am**

Ironhidensh wrote:Talk to him?

"Hi! My name is RHa, and this will sound nutty, but you know that operating system for defense command you're working on? Yeah, in about 5 years, it's gonna become sentient, decide 5 minutes later that mankind is its biggest enemy, then launch all of our nukes. China, Russia, and every other country respond in kind, and mankind dies in about an hour.

What? No, I'm not on drugs. Nice phone, who you calling? The police, wait a minute, I'm on the up and up. You gotta listen to me. Oh, wow. Nice shotgun, how did your wife get in here so quietly?"

Like that?

I think this is what duragrip does to us.

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:50 pm**

Ironhidensh wrote:It always comes back to the cloud.......

Exactly so I'm essence, you would have to kill him before he started the os, which is part of the terminator paradox as he only made the program as advanced because he found the terminators arm and chips which was sent back by Skynet which was built by a programmer who used a terminator arm etc...

Posted: **Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:45 pm**

RhA wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Talk to him?

"Hi! My name is RHa, and this will sound nutty, but you know that operating system for defense command you're working on? Yeah, in about 5 years, it's gonna become sentient, decide 5 minutes later that mankind is its biggest enemy, then launch all of our nukes. China, Russia, and every other country respond in kind, and mankind dies in about an hour.

What? No, I'm not on drugs. Nice phone, who you calling? The police, wait a minute, I'm on the up and up. You gotta listen to me. Oh, wow. Nice shotgun, how did your wife get in here so quietly?"

Like that?

I think this is what duragrip does to us.

Ouch.

For my answer, I don't think I could ever kill another human being unless my own life, or the life of somebody else (especially family) was directly and immediately threatened. So I guess there is no escape of the nuclear fire.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:04 am**

here's the thing about Skynet! or at least the LOOK of it.....I prefer the pyramid style one from T2 3D

rather than that awful Steel Mill looking one from Salvation

& god alone knows what Skynet will look like in Genesys?

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:24 pm**

Ironhidensh wrote:For my answer, I don't think I could ever kill another human being unless my own life, or the life of somebody else (especially family) was directly and immediately threatened. So I guess there is no escape of the nuclear fire.

But if you knew that a person's decisions and actions directly result in a nuclear war, doesn't that qualify?

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:07 pm**

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:For my answer, I don't think I could ever kill another human being unless my own life, or the life of somebody else (especially family) was directly and immediately threatened. So I guess there is no escape of the nuclear fire.
But if you knew that a person's decisions and actions directly result in a nuclear war, doesn't that qualify?

Unless it was a big booboo like mistaken identity. ..iimagine explaining that one!

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:22 pm**

Ironhidensh wrote:Talk to him?

"Hi! My name is RHa, and this will sound nutty, but you know that operating system for defense command you're working on? Yeah, in about 5 years, it's gonna become sentient, decide 5 minutes later that mankind is its biggest enemy, then launch all of our nukes. China, Russia, and every other country respond in kind, and mankind dies in about an hour.

What? No, I'm not on drugs. Nice phone, who you calling? The police, wait a minute, I'm on the up and up. You gotta listen to me. Oh, wow. Nice shotgun, how did your wife get in here so quietly?"

Like that?

They actually did talk to him. And it brought him over to their side. Did you even see the Terminator movies?

The real problem is that, in the context of the movies, his death did goddamn nothing but stall Judgement Day for a few years. And they even went and destroyed his lab and all his research as well. They got an extra 7 years without getting nuked, but in the end, nothing changed.

So a better question would be "Is it okay to kill a man in cold blood just to stall the apocalypse for a little while?"

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:06 pm**

Shadowman wrote:So a better question would be "Is it okay to kill a man in cold blood just to stall the apocalypse for a little while?"

IMO, it's actually worse. Because the birthrate is on average higher than the death rate, in those 7 years more people were born than died, so if Judgment Day happened later than sooner, the nukes would kill even more people. But this is only a valid argument if it matters to you how many people die, not just the fact that some people die.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:34 pm**

Shadowman wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Talk to him?

"Hi! My name is RHa, and this will sound nutty, but you know that operating system for defense command you're working on? Yeah, in about 5 years, it's gonna become sentient, decide 5 minutes later that mankind is its biggest enemy, then launch all of our nukes. China, Russia, and every other country respond in kind, and mankind dies in about an hour.

What? No, I'm not on drugs. Nice phone, who you calling? The police, wait a minute, I'm on the up and up. You gotta listen to me. Oh, wow. Nice shotgun, how did your wife get in here so quietly?"

Like that?

They actually did talk to him. And it brought him over to their side. Did you even see the Terminator movies?

The real problem is that, in the context of the movies, his death did goddamn nothing but stall Judgement Day for a few years. And they even went and destroyed his lab and all his research as well. They got an extra 7 years without getting nuked, but in the end, nothing changed.

So a better question would be "Is it okay to kill a man in cold blood just to stall the apocalypse for a little while?"

Yes, I saw the movies. I'm assuming you won't have a handy T-800 to rip the flesh off his robo arm for a convincing show and tell.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:26 pm**

Ironhidensh wrote:Yes, I saw the movies.

Then you'd remember the part where, even though Miles Dyson died, Judgement Day happened anyway. So even if you were to answer "Would you kill a man to stop the apocalypse?" with "Yes" the response would be "Well, great, now you're a murderer and the apocalypse happens anyway."

This entire thread is pointless.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:11 am**

Shadowman wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Yes, I saw the movies.

Then you'd remember the part where, even though Miles Dyson died, Judgement Day happened anyway. So even if you were to answer "Would you kill a man to stop the apocalypse?" with "Yes" the response would be "Well, great, now you're a murderer and the apocalypse happens anyway."

This entire thread is pointless.

Then why did you bother with it? :roll:

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:18 am**

Ironhidensh wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Yes, I saw the movies.

Then you'd remember the part where, even though Miles Dyson died, Judgement Day happened anyway. So even if you were to answer "Would you kill a man to stop the apocalypse?" with "Yes" the response would be "Well, great, now you're a murderer and the apocalypse happens anyway."

This entire thread is pointless.

Then why did you bother with it?

I could ask you the same question.

In fact, I think I will. Why the hell did you make this thread?

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:42 pm**

Shadowman wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Yes, I saw the movies.

Then you'd remember the part where, even though Miles Dyson died, Judgement Day happened anyway. So even if you were to answer "Would you kill a man to stop the apocalypse?" with "Yes" the response would be "Well, great, now you're a murderer and the apocalypse happens anyway."

This entire thread is pointless.

Then why did you bother with it?

I could ask you the same question.

In fact, I think I will. Why the hell did you make this thread?

Because I was bored at work.

That, and I wasn't aware of the rule that says all hypothetical conversations about time travel have to follow the plot and/or script of terminator 2.

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:14 am**

Ironhidensh wrote:It always comes back to the cloud.......

Torture him until he destroys all the information spread around the internet, extract the names of everyone who knows, kill him, then kill everyone else. Simple.

I would like to add - I am not a sociopath.

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:40 am**

Problem is you'll be stopped by the time you've just dealt with the people he knew

other people will find out and then it would spread like a virus. Conclusion: we're all doomed may as well just shrug and move on. We also get the last laugh that sky net will fail one day as well when the sun devours the earth or if a solar flare hits us and fries it

Posted: **Fri May 15, 2015 2:45 am**

I'd find someone instead to make a virus to throw a wrench instead...

Hopefully one that doesn't reduce all decision making to a coin flip...

Posted: **Fri May 15, 2015 10:38 am**

Isn't this question essentially what a good chunk of the second act of T2 was?

Posted: **Fri May 15, 2015 1:54 pm**

Of course I would. Then, I'd take out everyone he ever conspired or made contact with in the past few days, just to make sure his legacy doesn't continue. Nobody blows up Earth but me.

Posted: **Mon May 25, 2015 9:06 pm**

I'd just like to point out the previous post to those who would whine and cry that someone started a "pointless" thread on a discussion board. It could always be worse, so maybe try saving your big boy tears instead of unleashing them because someone posed a question.

Posted: **Mon May 25, 2015 10:37 pm**

Several people answered this thread assuming they had the knowledge from the result of their actions. That wasn't the point. The only info you have to base your decision on is that signet, in the future, will kill humanity. This one guy created it. Stopping him will stop skynet. Would you do it?

The Energon Pub

Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet

Re: Morality, ethics, and Terminator's Skynet