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So spoiler tags, yay or nay? When are they good, when are they not needed? If you didn't want to be spoiled, why did you click on the thread in the first place?

Personally, I don't like them. They're annoying as all hell when using a phone, which I do 99% of the time. If the title of the thread says "spoilers", that should be good enough. Hell, if the title of the thread has the title of the movie, that should be good enough. We are all, mostly, grown-ass men and women. We should know what we are in for before getting on the net in the first place.

Click-to-open spoiler boxes would work on a phone.

Ironhidensh wrote:Burn, you lazy bum, this is for you!

So spoiler tags, yay or nay? When are they good, when are they not needed? If you didn't want to be spoiled, why did you click on the thread in the first place?

Personally, I don't like them. They're annoying as all hell when using a phone, which I do 99% of the time. If the title of the thread says "spoilers", that should be good enough. Hell, if the title of the thread has the title of the movie, that should be good enough. We are all, mostly, grown-ass men and women. We should know what we are in for before getting on the net in the first place.

So because it inconveniences you and annoys you, we all should do as it is convenient for you? If people want to use spoiler tags, so what? I agree they don't need to be required, but if I know someone doesn't know about a movie, TV show, or whatever else that I have something to say about, out of consideration for that person, or people, I will use the tags. Even if THEY ARE NOT NECESSARY. Doesn't make them illegal.

Settle down there Roddy, and have a snickers. You sound like shadowman when you are hungry.

Rather than arguing back and forth, I'd like people's thoughts on establishing some GUIDELINES so we don't end up with another "debate" like what occurred in MCU.

For example.

Spoiler tags to be used for movies until one week after the US release date.
Spoiler tags do not need to be used once a TV episode has aired in the US (e.g. Robots in Disguise, spoiler tags were used after airing in Australia but were dropped after airing in the US)

And don't just take what I just wrote and discuss it, that's not necessarily going to be the final make up, I want YOUR thoughts on what would be acceptable time frames for spoiler tags to be dropped.

What I was suggesting (while chatting to Burn about this) was that we could go for around a week after most Anglophone countries have received a new feature, be it episode, movie, what have you.

Take the recent Age of Ultron discussion - everywhere but the North American continent had it for a while before US and Canada got their release, but Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D this week 'tied in' to the movie, spoiling some of the plot points. AoU - 1st May; AoS - 5th May. Just under a week. I think we can work with the five day/week limit, too, in that case.

Now, for on demand or Netflix, the situation is a little different. Not everyone has access, not everyone binges, how do we regulate that, if at all?


Spoiler tags can be cumbersome for some discussions, I agree, even if it takes nothing to type them in, the current layouts do not allow for mobile users to access them as easily. The closed box could work, but that is up to the technical side of the site, not us.

Ironhidensh wrote:Burn, you lazy bum, this is for you!

So spoiler tags, yay or nay? When are they good, when are they not needed? If you didn't want to be spoiled, why did you click on the thread in the first place?

Personally, I don't like them. They're annoying as all hell when using a phone, which I do 99% of the time. If the title of the thread says "spoilers", that should be good enough. Hell, if the title of the thread has the title of the movie, that should be good enough. We are all, mostly, grown-ass men and women. We should know what we are in for before getting on the net in the first place.

I want you to know what you posted boils down to "People should have movies they haven't seen spoiled for them because I don't like spoiler tags, and also because internet(?)".

Second, it literally takes half a second to apply a spoiler tag. Highlight the text, push the button, bam, it's that easy.

And finally, the thread that prompted this one didn't have "spoiler" in the title, nor did it even reference the title of the movie you wanted spoiled. In fact, the title referenced a very broad range of movies and TV shows.

Ironhidensh wrote:Settle down there Roddy, and have a snickers. You sound like shadowman when you are hungry.

Well at least it's nice of you to compliment Roddy like that.

The week for new movi s would be okay. I just see the need for spoiler tags as a lack of self control. A failure to regulate ones own behavior. For instance, I don't want to be spoiled on Star Wars 7. When that movie starts getting released, I will no longer go near any thread associated with Star Wars. I won't sit back and whine, demanding people censor themselves for me.

If I was on an actual computer, this probably wouldn't bother me, but since I've only turned my computer on about 6 or 7 times in the last four years, they drive me nuts on mobile devices.

Va'al wrote:What I was suggesting (while chatting to Burn about this) was that we could go for around a week after most Anglophone countries have received a new feature, be it episode, movie, what have you.

And the biggest problem there is there can be weeks, sometimes months between countries. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was out in the US for two months before it opened in Australia.

Now, for on demand or Netflix, the situation is a little different. Not everyone has access, not everyone binges, how do we regulate that, if at all?

We give it a one week limit same as the movies. If people don't have access to things well then there's a good chance they'll have to wait months, possibly up to a year before it gets a DVD/Blu-Ray release. By that stage the discussion has long since passed.

There's not going to be a solution that appeases everyone. As Ironhidensh has pointed out, if you don't want to be spoiled, avoid the thread. It's what I had to for two months with the Turtles movie, and I'm sure others have had to do it as well.

I'm hoping to establish some guidelines here, but people will still have to exert some self-control of their own.

Ironhidensh wrote:The week for new movi s would be okay. I just see the need for spoiler tags as a lack of self control. A failure to regulate ones own behavior. For instance, I don't want to be spoiled on Star Wars 7. When that movie starts getting released, I will no longer go near any thread associated with Star Wars. I won't sit back and whine, demanding people censor themselves for me.

If I was on an actual computer, this probably wouldn't bother me, but since I've only turned my computer on about 6 or 7 times in the last four years, they drive me nuts on mobile devices.

So the whole problem is that you don't want to use your computer. That's um...yeah. Tell you what, I'm going to keep using spoiler tags for when I post spoilers, and if that bothers you, turn on your computer to read them. Because applying and reading them is not an inconvenience to me, having movies spoiled for me is.

Two posts in this thread and not one of them have offered an idea on how we could establish some guidelines for the use of spoiler tags. But, as per usual, your contribution is to attack others for their stances.

Unless you're going to contribute to the discussion Shadowman, please leave this thread.

Burn wrote:Two posts in this thread and not one of them have offered an idea on how we could establish some guidelines for the use of spoiler tags. But, as per usual, your contribution is to attack others for their stances.

Well maybe if their stances weren't "People either have to deal with spoilers or get off the internet because I don't like spoiler tags" then I might be a bit more accommodating.

Burn wrote:Unless you're going to contribute to the discussion Shadowman, please leave this thread.

Is it a spoiler for something recent enough that people would be angry for finding it out before seeing the movie? Use spoiler tags. At the very least put "Spoiler" in big letters at the beginning of your post. Because Occam's razor.

I'm reminded of a time when my DVR screwed up and didn't record a certain episode of Transformers Prime. So I headed to the official thread because streaming links are put up there fairly quick. The idea is that I'd only barely look at a post to see if it had a link or an embedded Youtube video in it. First post I come across had, in big old letters, the major spoiler for the episode, displayed in such a way that I couldn't not see it.

Because sometimes, even if you're trying to avoid spoilers as best as you can, someone else is going to be an inconsiderate douche and get them to you anyway.

So what would YOU consider an acceptable time frame for spoiler tags to be used? One week? One month? One year?

Burn wrote:So what would YOU consider an acceptable time frame for spoiler tags to be used? One week? One month? One year?

Forever. Even if the work is old, that doesn't mean you need to tell someone how it ends before they get a chance to see it for themselves. I once saw a friend of mine watching the Goodfellas for the first time. I managed to stop myself from mentioning how one particular character is killed, because it would be inconsiderate and douchey of me to tell him that ahead of time.

Unless you're going to actively moderate the use of spoiler tags and literally go out of your way to report to people about the "wrong use of spoiler tags, because it's been a week," everyone's just going to keep doing what they prefer to do.

Rules for spoiler tag usage? No, thanks.

Jeen0808 wrote:Unless you're going to actively moderate the use of spoiler tags and literally go out of your way to report to people about the "wrong use of spoiler tags, because it's been a week," everyone's just going to keep doing what they prefer to do.

Rules for spoiler tag usage? No, thanks.

Pretty much, yeah. I shouldn't be forced to spoil things for someone just because someone else finds the use of spoiler tags to be "unnecessary" or "inconvenient."

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Two posts in this thread and not one of them have offered an idea on how we could establish some guidelines for the use of spoiler tags. But, as per usual, your contribution is to attack others for their stances.

Well maybe if their stances weren't "People either have to deal with spoilers or get off the internet because I don't like spoiler tags" then I might be a bit more accommodating.

Burn wrote:Unless you're going to contribute to the discussion Shadowman, please leave this thread.

Is it a spoiler for something recent enough that people would be angry for finding it out before seeing the movie? Use spoiler tags. At the very least put "Spoiler" in big letters at the beginning of your post. Because Occam's razor.

I'm reminded of a time when my DVR screwed up and didn't record a certain episode of Transformers Prime. So I headed to the official thread because streaming links are put up there fairly quick. The idea is that I'd only barely look at a post to see if it had a link or an embedded Youtube video in it. First post I come across had, in big old letters, the major spoiler for the episode, displayed in such a way that I couldn't not see it.

Because sometimes, even if you're trying to avoid spoilers as best as you can, someone else is going to be an inconsiderate douche and get them to you anyway.

You went, delibritly, into a thread known for containing spoilers, then got upset because you saw a spoiler. Again, personal responsibility.

Forever is ridiculous. If you haven't seen something within a week, then that's on you. Dedicated threads should be their own spoiler warning. People don't deserve special treatment because they still don't know Vader is Luke's father 30 some years later.

I've decided I want to enjoy the new RiD cartoon with my son, so I've quit reading that thread, I didn't ask people to start making spoiler tags about the show. Personal responsibility, it's a lost art.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Two posts in this thread and not one of them have offered an idea on how we could establish some guidelines for the use of spoiler tags. But, as per usual, your contribution is to attack others for their stances.

Well maybe if their stances weren't "People either have to deal with spoilers or get off the internet because I don't like spoiler tags" then I might be a bit more accommodating.

Burn wrote:Unless you're going to contribute to the discussion Shadowman, please leave this thread.

Is it a spoiler for something recent enough that people would be angry for finding it out before seeing the movie? Use spoiler tags. At the very least put "Spoiler" in big letters at the beginning of your post. Because Occam's razor.

I'm reminded of a time when my DVR screwed up and didn't record a certain episode of Transformers Prime. So I headed to the official thread because streaming links are put up there fairly quick. The idea is that I'd only barely look at a post to see if it had a link or an embedded Youtube video in it. First post I come across had, in big old letters, the major spoiler for the episode, displayed in such a way that I couldn't not see it.

Because sometimes, even if you're trying to avoid spoilers as best as you can, someone else is going to be an inconsiderate douche and get them to you anyway.

You went, delibritly, into a thread known for containing spoilers, then got upset because you saw a spoiler. Again, personal responsibility.

Forever is ridiculous. If you haven't seen something within a week, then that's on you. Dedicated threads should be their own spoiler warning. People don't deserve special treatment because they still don't know Vader is Luke's father 30 some years later.

I've decided I want to enjoy the new RiD cartoon with my son, so I've quit reading that thread, I didn't ask people to start making spoiler tags about the show. Personal responsibility, it's a lost art.

I'd argue that, but then I realized I already explained it, and like most things, you just didn't comprehend it.

Shadowman wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Burn wrote:Two posts in this thread and not one of them have offered an idea on how we could establish some guidelines for the use of spoiler tags. But, as per usual, your contribution is to attack others for their stances.

Well maybe if their stances weren't "People either have to deal with spoilers or get off the internet because I don't like spoiler tags" then I might be a bit more accommodating.

Burn wrote:Unless you're going to contribute to the discussion Shadowman, please leave this thread.

Is it a spoiler for something recent enough that people would be angry for finding it out before seeing the movie? Use spoiler tags. At the very least put "Spoiler" in big letters at the beginning of your post. Because Occam's razor.

I'm reminded of a time when my DVR screwed up and didn't record a certain episode of Transformers Prime. So I headed to the official thread because streaming links are put up there fairly quick. The idea is that I'd only barely look at a post to see if it had a link or an embedded Youtube video in it. First post I come across had, in big old letters, the major spoiler for the episode, displayed in such a way that I couldn't not see it.

Because sometimes, even if you're trying to avoid spoilers as best as you can, someone else is going to be an inconsiderate douche and get them to you anyway.

You went, delibritly, into a thread known for containing spoilers, then got upset because you saw a spoiler. Again, personal responsibility.

Forever is ridiculous. If you haven't seen something within a week, then that's on you. Dedicated threads should be their own spoiler warning. People don't deserve special treatment because they still don't know Vader is Luke's father 30 some years later.

I've decided I want to enjoy the new RiD cartoon with my son, so I've quit reading that thread, I didn't ask people to start making spoiler tags about the show. Personal responsibility, it's a lost art.

I'd argue that, but then I realized I already explained it, and like most things, you just didn't comprehend it.

You are right, I don't think I've ever comprehended anything you've ever said. it is not my responsibility to keep you away from spoilers, it's your own.

This would be my suggestion for guidelines. If it's a general thread such as the Marvel cinematic universe one, then do the weeklong spoiler tags are necessary thing. But if it's specific thread, such as an Age of Ultron thread, then no spoiler tags should be necessary. That doesn't mean you can't use them if you want to, it just means you don't have to use them.

That's for movies. TV shows, I think, once the episode has aired, it's fair game.

Ironhidensh wrote:You are right, I don't think I've ever comprehended anything you've ever said.

I know you meant that as sarcasm, but I genuinely believe it.

Ironhidensh wrote:it is not my responsibility to keep you away from spoilers, it's your own.

It's not my responsibility to keep pedestrians out of the road, but that doesn't mean I should be tearing though a school zone at 70 miles per hour. It's just as easy to get my foot off the gas so other people don't have to suffer.

Shadowman wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:You are right, I don't think I've ever comprehended anything you've ever said.

I know you meant that as sarcasm, but I genuinely believe it.

Ironhidensh wrote:it is not my responsibility to keep you away from spoilers, it's your own.

It's not my responsibility to keep pedestrians out of the road, but that doesn't mean I should be tearing though a school zone at 70 miles per hour. It's just as easy to get my foot off the gas so other people don't have to suffer.

Okay. If reading a movie spoiler is as horrible to you as the vehicular manslaughter of children, you have some problems. I'm going to buy you a beer, a burger, and a prostitute. You need them.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:You are right, I don't think I've ever comprehended anything you've ever said.

I know you meant that as sarcasm, but I genuinely believe it.

Ironhidensh wrote:it is not my responsibility to keep you away from spoilers, it's your own.

It's not my responsibility to keep pedestrians out of the road, but that doesn't mean I should be tearing though a school zone at 70 miles per hour. It's just as easy to get my foot off the gas so other people don't have to suffer.

Okay. If reading a movie spoiler is as horrible to you as the vehicular manslaughter of children, you have some problems. I'm going to buy you a beer, a burger, and a prostitute. You need them.

What the ****? Who said anything about killing kids? Christ, is that seriously the first place your mind went?

I have nothing worthwhile to add to this discussion. If you're on your phone, you probably just went REALLY out of your way to read this. Sucks to be you, nerd. You didn't really need those few seconds of your life you spent trying to read this message anyway.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:it is not my responsibility to keep you away from spoilers, it's your own.

It's not my responsibility to keep pedestrians out of the road, but that doesn't mean I should be tearing though a school zone at 70 miles per hour. It's just as easy to get my foot off the gas so other people don't have to suffer.

Okay. If reading a movie spoiler is as horrible to you as the vehicular manslaughter of children, you have some problems. I'm going to buy you a beer, a burger, and a prostitute. You need them.

I think you missed the point of his analogy. Completely.

It Is Him wrote:I have nothing worthwhile to add to this discussion. If you're on your phone, you probably just went REALLY out of your way to read this. Sucks to be you, nerd. You didn't really need those few seconds of your life you spent trying to read this message anyway.

I really do have nothing worthwhile to add, I'm just quoting myself because I like the attention.