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Bumblebee is getting ready for his closeup.


http://jalopnik.com/cars/2009-chevy-camaro/2009-chevy-camaro-mostly-uncovered-333256.php

Except for what looks like modified headlights and what looks like a change to the rear fender right behind the door, it looks exactly like CC Bumblebee.

I'm eager about the Camaro, Challenger, and new Boss Mustang.
I'm no Chevy guy, but it's better than toyota.
This is really nice looking, I never thought it's look so smooth in white.
Only thing is it looks as though he spoiler lip above the taillights is gone. I liked that thing.

The door handles are different too. The movie car had door handles that you only touched for the doors to open, they was flush with the body and almost flat, this version has a more generic type of looking handle. Mirrors are way different too.

Sonray wrote:The door handles are different too. The movie car had door handles that you only touched for the doors to open, they was flush with the body and almost flat, this version has a more generic type of looking handle. Mirrors are way different too.

Actually having seen one of the movie cars just 2 days ago, it's handles were just like every other part " a mock up". They weren't touch sensitive or anything, just pieces of billet to appear as handles from a distance.

And I guess the mirrors needed to be changed, they were a bit thin. Practicality over design here.

Only a matter of time until someone gets it a yellow repaint and some racing stripes....

Sherade wrote:I'm eager about the Camaro, Challenger, and new Boss Mustang.
I'm no Chevy guy, but it's better than toyota.
This is really nice looking, I never thought it's look so smooth in white.
Only thing is it looks as though he spoiler lip above the taillights is gone. I liked that thing.

How is it "better than Toyota"?

I mean, it's not like Toyota hasn't just set the record for the Nurburgring, which is the real test for how good a car is. And I doubt this will beat the Toyota on the Nurburgring.

GetterDragun wrote:How is it "better than Toyota"?
I mean, it's not like Toyota hasn't just set the record for the Nurburgring, which is the real test for how good a car is. And I doubt this will beat the Toyota on the Nurburgring.

I'm not even going to say anything. As soon as I open my mouth someone will go off on how I'm stupid and have no right talking. So I'll respect your views, drop it there.
Can we agree on that?

yummy, I'm gettin one. Is chevy gonna release a yellow and black paint job? Or am i gonna havta pony the extra dough?

It probably has something to do with the fact that sherade hates jap cars and tuners and only likes beefy american muscle.

Cant blame him but i like all cars...well as long as they are good that is. I dont hate american cars and prefer jap cars or vice versa, i like stuff from all continents.

Sonray wrote:It probably has something to do with the fact that sherade hates jap cars and tuners and only likes beefy american muscle.

Cant blame him but i like all cars...well as long as they are good that is. I dont hate american cars and prefer jap cars or vice versa, i like stuff from all continents.

I don't hate them, I hate the companies. In my eyes, no "bad car" exists. And it's not only Muscle Cars, I've called minivans and Big Rigs cool. I mean, muscle is part of it....fine, lots of it.
I just especially dislike Japanese companies,most always try to do something they're not, and when/if it works, blow it out of proportion. I'll admit American (and everyone else) does it as well, but it seems that it gets more than it's worth. European companies stay with what has worked, i.e Ferrari. Has Ferrari ever built trucks to compete? No. Because they found a groove, and look how it worked.

That wasn't anger, but just part of what I think.
I could write a book.

Sherade wrote:

Sonray wrote:It probably has something to do with the fact that sherade hates jap cars and tuners and only likes beefy american muscle.

Cant blame him but i like all cars...well as long as they are good that is. I dont hate american cars and prefer jap cars or vice versa, i like stuff from all continents.

I don't hate them, I hate the companies. In my eyes, no "bad car" exists. And it's not only Muscle Cars, I've called minivans and Big Rigs cool. I mean, muscle is part of it....fine, lots of it.
I just especially dislike Japanese companies,most always try to do something they're not, and when/if it works, blow it out of proportion. I'll admit American (and everyone else) does it as well, but it seems that it gets more than it's worth. European companies stay with what has worked, i.e Ferrari. Has Ferrari ever built trucks to compete? No. Because they found a groove, and look how it worked.

That wasn't anger, but just part of what I think.
I could write a book.

So you're mad that Toyota built Trucks to compete with American car companies?

Are you mad that Toyota hired all the Employees that GM and Ford laid off because of their mismanagement and stranglehold by the UAW?

Are you mad that GM is moving production to Mexico and China? If not, why are you mad that Honda and Toyota are builiding more and more cars in the US using US made parts?

So why are you saying Japanese car companies are trying to be something they're not. Cause they are succesful on all fronts? Cause they built the best family car, the best hybrid car, the best bang for the buck sports car and now they got truck of the year? Maybe American car companies should get off their ass and improve. Look at Ford, their European cars are awesome...Euro Ford Focus ahs an inline 5 cylinder turbo and looks awesome, our Focus, piece of ****.

Face it, if it wasn't for Japanese car manufacturers, there would almost be no more car manufacturing in the US.

GetterDragun wrote:

Sherade wrote:

Sonray wrote:It probably has something to do with the fact that sherade hates jap cars and tuners and only likes beefy american muscle.

Cant blame him but i like all cars...well as long as they are good that is. I dont hate american cars and prefer jap cars or vice versa, i like stuff from all continents.

I don't hate them, I hate the companies. In my eyes, no "bad car" exists. And it's not only Muscle Cars, I've called minivans and Big Rigs cool. I mean, muscle is part of it....fine, lots of it.
I just especially dislike Japanese companies,most always try to do something they're not, and when/if it works, blow it out of proportion. I'll admit American (and everyone else) does it as well, but it seems that it gets more than it's worth. European companies stay with what has worked, i.e Ferrari. Has Ferrari ever built trucks to compete? No. Because they found a groove, and look how it worked.

That wasn't anger, but just part of what I think.
I could write a book.

So you're mad that Toyota built Trucks to compete with American car companies?

Are you mad that Toyota hired all the Employees that GM and Ford laid off because of their mismanagement and stranglehold by the UAW?

Are you mad that GM is moving production to Mexico and China? If not, why are you mad that Honda and Toyota are builiding more and more cars in the US using US made parts?

So why are you saying Japanese car companies are trying to be something they're not. Cause they are succesful on all fronts? Cause they built the best family car, the best hybrid car, the best bang for the buck sports car and now they got truck of the year? Maybe American car companies should get off their ass and improve. Look at Ford, their European cars are awesome...Euro Ford Focus ahs an inline 5 cylinder turbo and looks awesome, our Focus, piece of ****.

Face it, if it wasn't for Japanese car manufacturers, there would almost be no more car manufacturing in the US.

The dude has a point there Sherade....besides whats so bad about making all types of cars instead of just one type of car that only a small group of people can afford, like Ferrari?

And he is right about euro fords too. When i moved to America for a couple of years i was astonished to hear so many horror and hate stories about ford cars because after growing up in Europe and my family mostly owning ford cars we rarely ever had a problem with them. They lasted forever, had simple engines and was easy to fix and everyone liked them. Then i moved to America and found out that they sucked big time. I get back to the UK a few years later and theres Ford with "car of the year" again and now i own my own Ford.

GetterDragun wrote:cut for length

Look. I said I wanted to avoid the argument, and this is what I was talking about. I was simply clarifying for myself.
If you can not respect that, well then I will lose the respect I have had for you.

Case in point:
American Ford Fusion:


European Ford Mondeo (same platform as Fusion):


American Focus:


European Focus:

You just can't understand, can you?
I want to avoid the argument.

BTW, I think they all look great, each has it's own style and lines, all of which I am satisfied with.

American Fusion: clasic, "not to fancy" muscle look, strong front end build but low profile. (Looks especially nice in black)
Euoropean Mondeo: Smooth lines and an aggresive stance on the road.
Focus: "Sharp" grill and headlight config., smooth profie and clean body shaping.
Euro-focus: Rally-car styling and Euro-Fords organic styling, great mix FTW.

Only thing that's a doowner focus-wise is how the US one (that is pitured) is 4-door. I don't like 4-doors so much, but it depends on the car.


Now, can we please drop this and will you just let it go?

Then don't post in car threads. If you are going to say "I hate Japanese cars, but will offer no reason why, so leave me alone." What do you expect?

I personally feel you are misinformed in whose actually profiting and which company benefits the American worker and am simply trying to give you the current picture of the Automotive Industry and not some 1978 version you are clinging on too. I'm not attacking you, just trying to educate.

The point of this thread however was not to get into a debate of domestic vs. foreign. It was merely to showcase the new camaro.

(Shameless plug) Btw I have a bunch of pictures from the S.D. Auto Show up. Theres a link in my thread about it. Talk car talk, link to your fav pics. have fun with it.

GetterDragun wrote:Then don't post in car threads. If you are going to say "I hate Japanese cars, but will offer no reason why, so leave me alone." What do you expect?

I personally feel you are misinformed in whose actually profiting and which company benefits the American worker and am simply trying to give you the current picture of the Automotive Industry and not some 1978 version you are clinging on too. I'm not attacking you, just trying to educate.

And I am very well aware of the "situation."
But that has no effect on what I beleive. I do not dislike the cars, for the lastr time, but the companies. And it isn't just Japanese, it's europe too. I just have more of a distaste for Japanese. There is a reason, and here it is. But before I get there, I want to point something out. I was looking around Mazda's line up and it seems as the CX-7 is taking vibes from Euro-Ford.

Yes, I'm aware Ford owns Mazda. I think if Ford will look at the CX-7, and think about it, they may have something with the styling of euro stateside (under their banner).
Anyhoo, back to the situation at hand.
Here is my reason. After you read it, say whatever you will, do whatever you want, but I'm not changing it. You may call it absurd, but I've learned that I don't have take on whatever I hear. I will imply accept it and move on.


You know what? Look back, at when Toyota, nissan, and god nows who else first came here. They made good cars, they did things wonderfully, and I can say I enjoy the older cars. They are great, look fine next to our own US vehicles, didn't try to go over the top. Enjoyment of cars was important. Sure, competition was everywhere, but was much underscored by the heart of the industry worldwide.
Now look. Everyone is fighting over "gas mileage". These foreign companies have turned around the way they were, and their cars, creating all this crap over fuel economy. Yes, it was urged by our findings in field of science, and US companies did the same, I am sure of that, but these others kept going. The market has become a war over who bulds the most "enviornmental" car, but that's not all of the argument.
I'm not going solely on the "now" perspective.
I am disgusted by seeing battles between our counries auto-makers with handling, performance, and in the case of trucks, stuff like traction, and load capacity. They've pushed so far into our market we feel we must fight them back. We even went into their territory to showthem up. I do not want to see less cars, no. But no one does what they used to. the industry itself has become about technicalities. No one makes a car becasue it's a good idea, because it's enjoyable. It's about money now. I know this would've happened anyway, but the competition from impoert companies has grown to speed up the process. I may be clinging to "1978" but at least there was hope and good cars then. But by 1980, this whole process started, and it's getting harder to accept even the American companies. Not that I want to look down on them, but it's like people don't matter anymore.
I don't care about "profit" or who's on top. I want to see a time where we can make cars worth buying, driving, and keeping. Not his mess we have now. And it seems US companies are trying hardest to do so.

Sherade wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:Then don't post in car threads. If you are going to say "I hate Japanese cars, but will offer no reason why, so leave me alone." What do you expect?

I personally feel you are misinformed in whose actually profiting and which company benefits the American worker and am simply trying to give you the current picture of the Automotive Industry and not some 1978 version you are clinging on too. I'm not attacking you, just trying to educate.

And I am very well aware of the "situation."
But that has no effect on what I beleive. I do not dislike the cars, for the lastr time, but the companies. And it isn't just Japanese, it's europe too. I just have more of a distaste for Japanese. There is a reason, and here it is. But before I get there, I want to point something out. I was looking around Mazda's line up and it seems as the CX-7 is taking vibes from Euro-Ford.

Yes, I'm aware Ford owns Mazda. I think if Ford will look at the CX-7, and think about it, they may have something with the styling of euro stateside (under their banner).
Anyhoo, back to the situation at hand.
Here is my reason. After you read it, say whatever you will, do whatever you want, but I'm not changing it. You may call it absurd, but I've learned that I don't have take on whatever I hear. I will imply accept it and move on.


You know what? Look back, at when Toyota, nissan, and god nows who else first came here. They made good cars, they did things wonderfully, and I can say I enjoy the older cars. They are great, look fine next to our own US vehicles, didn't try to go over the top. Enjoyment of cars was important. Sure, competition was everywhere, but was much underscored by the heart of the industry worldwide.
Now look. Everyone is fighting over "gas mileage". These foreign companies have turned around the way they were, and their cars, creating all this crap over fuel economy. Yes, it was urged by our findings in field of science, and US companies did the same, I am sure of that, but these others kept going. The market has become a war over who bulds the most "enviornmental" car, but that's not all of the argument.
I'm not going solely on the "now" perspective.
I am disgusted by seeing battles between our counries auto-makers with handling, performance, and in the case of trucks, stuff like traction, and load capacity. They've pushed so far into our market we feel we must fight them back. We even went into their territory to showthem up. I do not want to see less cars, no. But no one does what they used to. the industry itself has become about technicalities. No one makes a car becasue it's a good idea, because it's enjoyable. It's about money now. I know this would've happened anyway, but the competition from impoert companies has grown to speed up the process. I may be clinging to "1978" but at least there was hope and good cars then. But by 1980, this whole process started, and it's getting harder to accept even the American companies. Not that I want to look down on them, but it's like people don't matter anymore.
I don't care about "profit" or who's on top. I want to see a time where we can make cars worth buying, driving, and keeping. Not his mess we have now. And it seems US companies are trying hardest to do so.

Well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but that's all wrong. The whole mileage issue is because of the government. It's called the CAFE standards and it dictates the average MPG. Do you know that the government fined Chrysler 30 million last year? They also fine BMW, Porsche and many other manfucaturers (companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini are exempt because they sell less than 10,000 cars annualy).

Now if you're argument is that car companies don't make cars for the "fun of it". I don't see why you are singling out foreign cars, American cars are the worst offenders. Look at all of the fun cars out there...the Toyota Supra...a car that could handle 1000hp on the stock motor, but got axed because the people weren't interested in it. Then look at Subaru introducing the WRX a car that could keep up with a Porsche, and the list goes on and on. It hasn't been till like 2 or 3 years ago that American companies have made fun cars, like the SRT-4 or the Cobalt SS (Vette was always a cool car). The foreign companies proved that fun cars would sell, and now American car companies are learning and benefiting from it. Now look at the new GT-R. Nissan made a car that they really won't make much money on because the world (read all car enthusiasts) demanded it. That car is now considered one of the best bang for the bucks ever. 0-60 in 3.3 seconds in a car that can outhandle everycar in the world except for 3 (Porsche GT, Paganini Zonda, and the Lexus LF-A). and now because of this Chevy is releasing a 650hp Vette. So again, thanks to foreign companies pushing the envelope. Now if Ford would only get off their rear and do something good.

Well..i wouldnt say that competition is a bad thing, if there was no competition the car world would be a very boring place. And striving forward to make cars run cleaner isnt a bad thing either, as much as i dont care about it and prefer the power of a good old fashioned internal combustion engine it is something that NEEDS to change, along with a lot of other things not just in the car business but everything relating to energy and how we use it.

Hey, I'm glad my post was completely disregarded.

Sonray wrote:Well..i wouldnt say that competition is a bad thing, if there was no competition the car world would be a very boring place. And striving forward to make cars run cleaner isnt a bad thing either, as much as i dont care about it and prefer the power of a good old fashioned internal combustion engine it is something that NEEDS to change, along with a lot of other things not just in the car business but everything relating to energy and how we use it.

I agree. But the probem is is that governments stifle this sometimes. I think the government (particulary the US) should enforce CAFE standards for vehicles selling mor ethan X amount. That way every companies Camry equivalent will need to do 35 mpg, but low selling cars...typically performance cars can get away with lower gas mileage. Chevy has a new model coming out called the Volt which can revoultionize transportation as we know it...it can go 40 miles without burning a drop of fuel. Now that sounds short, but it does have a small engine to help out and for most commuters that would be fine. How cool would it be to have a Volt as a daily driver and a ZR-1 Corvette for the weekend? This is what sells cars...and more of them.

I know about the government, but they shouldn't interfere anyway. No one needs to fight over surpassing the MPG limit, it's not worth it.

Now, your and my definitions of fun cars differ.
There have been imports I've liked, such as the now dead Honda Prelude. That thing performed with little modification.
Also, the Nissan Z series was great since the Datsun days. Itr's not over-advertised, or plauged by all the hybrid wars and such. Even stock it's quite the car.
As for the Gt-R, I'm not hot on that. I know it's out of my price rnge, plus it doesn't seem like much can be done to modify it performance wise.
The corvette, you didn't even need to say it. It's awesome, but again out of my budget. I like cars I can afford, that I can modify and let loose like hell. (Speaking of which, seen Mothers' E85 fueled 1000Hp Chevelle? )
Anyhoo, on the SRT-4 an Cobalt, both are balanced little critters, great fodder for anyone looking for, no, any customizer at all!
About the inspriation deal, I think that "fun cars" selling is what happened way back when hot rodding first hit. Then we just made it stock. So, it really wasn't the industry, but the people at home. And America started it, with everyone in and out of the states soon seeing it's potential.
As for handling, it's all in the driver. You get a feel for the car, stick it, do what i wants, let it drive you. Then you control it in return.
Remember Bobby B?
The car picks the driver. It may take a while, but the right cr will find you....wait..that's not what we're talking about.
For Ford, we know they can do it, but they keep trying to push wha they have.
The concept and prototype cars are almost always great ideas, but never make it past that.
So there.
Can we get back to talking about the new Camaro?