The Energon Pub

Because it is requisite for every mech forum to have a thread on Gundam.

I'm watching ZZ Gundam right now. After that, I'll watch Char's Countterattack, then I can be done with Universal Century.

Zeta Gundam kicks ass.

I liked G Gundam, Wing and 08th MS team. Endless Waltz was good too

Someone find me some pictures of that dutch windmill gundam from G-gundam. Such awesome cheesiness needs more attention.

Unicron's_head wrote:

Spoon wrote:Someone find me some pictures of that dutch windmill gundam from G-gundam. Such awesome cheesiness needs more attention.

yeah thats the only picture I ever saw of it. It's so darned retarded

Spoon wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

Spoon wrote:Someone find me some pictures of that dutch windmill gundam from G-gundam. Such awesome cheesiness needs more attention.

yeah thats the only picture I ever saw of it. It's so darned retarded

It's not easy finding pics of him

Not too long ago I finished Gundam Seed and Seed Destiney. And because I liked the series I started watching Gundam Wing as well. I have like 25 eps to go, so I'm curious how it'll continue/end.

Does anyone have heard anything about a new Gundam series? I know there will be a new manga series of some sort. I've even seen some designs/pictures. But is there a new animé series coming up?

SD Gundam = Kewlness.

I'm selling some 20+ Gundams pretty soon as soon as I decide to upload the pictures. Anyone interested.

Calenatarion wrote:Not too long ago I finished Gundam Seed and Seed Destiney. And because I liked the series I started watching Gundam Wing as well. I have like 25 eps to go, so I'm curious how it'll continue/end.

Does anyone have heard anything about a new Gundam series? I know there will be a new manga series of some sort. I've even seen some designs/pictures. But is there a new animé series coming up?

There's supposed to be a movie for Gundam SEED. Since SEED is based on Universal Century (SEED = MSG/Destiny = Stardust Memory, Zeta, ZZ) then I can only assume it'll be based on Char's Counterattack.

Then again, what was CE 73 Stargazer supposed to be based on? Or Astray?

I think stargazer is based on seed&destiny. Same deal with Astray. Just expanding on the current universe.

Spoon wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

Spoon wrote:Someone find me some pictures of that dutch windmill gundam from G-gundam. Such awesome cheesiness needs more attention.

yeah thats the only picture I ever saw of it. It's so darned retarded

No, nothing tops the Spanish Gundam in pointlessness.

Spoon wrote:I think stargazer is based on seed&destiny. Same deal with Astray. Just expanding on the current universe.

That isn't what I meant.

SEED was based on the original Mobile Suit Gundam, and SEED Destiny was based on Stardust Memory, Zeta, and, to an extent, ZZ Gundam.

I THINK that Stargazer is based on 0080: War in the Pocket, in that a crack team of colonist mobile suit pilots have to destroy a prototype mobile suit in Space.

I just finished watching the last Gundam Seed DVD a few weeks ago. It took me almost three years to finish the series, but I bought the ten DVDs at $20-$30 a piece.

I bought Nami Tamaki's CD. She did two of the opening themes for Gundam Seed.

Personally, I hated Seed like no tomorrow, I watched a little over half the series and it felt like I saw every episode before I actually saw it but Seed added a laughable amount of drama to the Gundam franchise. I mean it was like a soap opera with giant mechs.

My favorite series were most of the UC era Gundam series, some might even go so far as to say that I am a UC purist.

But for me EndlessWaltz rocked the most. Even the earliest Gundams, when they were fighting Zaku's kinda rocked, even though early Zeon's suit sucked, but still I think the Idea of a one eyed robots were innovative.

I heard that it'll be a UC continuity. Unknown as to whether it'll have anything to do with Char and Amuro, as their fates were left unknown during CC. I can only imagine it'll pick up after F91...but then again we never have seen dubs of ZZ, X, or Turn-A.

personally, I would like to see another series in the vain of the 08th team...grittier, and more militaristic. O8th team was easily the best...and far too short.

Shadowman wrote:

Spoon wrote:I think stargazer is based on seed&destiny. Same deal with Astray. Just expanding on the current universe.

That isn't what I meant.

SEED was based on the original Mobile Suit Gundam, and SEED Destiny was based on Stardust Memory, Zeta, and, to an extent, ZZ Gundam.

I THINK that Stargazer is based on 0080: War in the Pocket, in that a crack team of colonist mobile suit pilots have to destroy a prototype mobile suit in Space.

That's exactly what I answered. I do Not think that Stargazer or Astray was based on anything other then Seed & Destiny. I do not think that every single bit of gundam is based on any of the previous series.
But then again maybe I could be wrong.

Greed wrote:

Spoon wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

Spoon wrote:Someone find me some pictures of that dutch windmill gundam from G-gundam. Such awesome cheesiness needs more attention.

yeah thats the only picture I ever saw of it. It's so darned retarded

No, nothing tops the Spanish Gundam in pointlessness.

It's just that the story of the dutch gundam is utterly retarded. It actually hide himself from the war by pretending it was a windmill? We have like what, maybe 30-40 windmills left here at best. So it would Certainly draw attention if there suddenly was an extra one.
It would draw less attention if it was shaped like a flower or a heineken bier can

Spoon wrote:

Greed wrote:

Spoon wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

Spoon wrote:Someone find me some pictures of that dutch windmill gundam from G-gundam. Such awesome cheesiness needs more attention.

yeah thats the only picture I ever saw of it. It's so darned retarded

No, nothing tops the Spanish Gundam in pointlessness.

It's just that the story of the dutch gundam is utterly retarded. It actually hide himself from the war by pretending it was a windmill? We have like what, maybe 30-40 windmills left here at best. So it would Certainly draw attention if there suddenly was an extra one.
It would draw less attention if it was shaped like a flower or a heineken bier can

Nothing is weirder than Mandala Gundam.

Nepal's Giant Robot In A Big Green Can!

Spoon wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Spoon wrote:I think stargazer is based on seed&destiny. Same deal with Astray. Just expanding on the current universe.

That isn't what I meant.

SEED was based on the original Mobile Suit Gundam, and SEED Destiny was based on Stardust Memory, Zeta, and, to an extent, ZZ Gundam.

I THINK that Stargazer is based on 0080: War in the Pocket, in that a crack team of colonist mobile suit pilots have to destroy a prototype mobile suit in Space.

That's exactly what I answered. I do Not think that Stargazer or Astray was based on anything other then Seed & Destiny. I do not think that every single bit of gundam is based on any of the previous series.
But then again maybe I could be wrong.

You are. It's been admitted that SEED and SEED Destiny were contemporary remakes of UC.

Look at the similarities, there's more between CE and UC, then there is between, say, Wing and UC.

Kira's design is based on Amuro (Specifically the shaggy brown hair) and Strike's design is extremely similar to the RX-78.

Rau Le Crueset fills the role of Char, and Mu La Flaga is Ryu, and, to an extent, Sleggar. Murrue Ramius is both Mirai (In the sense of a strong female presence, and the romantic link to Mu) and Bright Noa. (In that she's a captain)

The female characters all fill different roles. Lacus is Sayla, Fllay is also Sayla (In the romantic link to Kira, and the link to Le Crueset/Char), Cagalli is Sayla in that she's a Mobile Suit pilot. Mirialia is Frau.

Tolle is Ryu, (In that he dies crashing his jet into something) Kuzzey is Hayato (Only in that he looks similar), and Sai is Kai. (In the joker personality and that they both have a moment of loss, Kai's being whatherface's death, and Sai's being Fllay leaving him)

And the ZAFT pilots! Athrun is essentially Char (In the red mobile suits and his rivalry with Kira), Dearka I can say is Hayato in that his mobile suit sepcializes in long-range combat, and his relationship with Mirilalia. Yzak, I'd say, is more like Yazan Gable (Who doesn't appear until Zeta, so it's hard to place him). Nicol I have a hard time placing. There's no particularly major pilot who Amuro kills, so I guess I have to skip him.

Andy Waltfeld is, simply put, Ramba Ral. His odd link to Kira, and his prefrence to desert combat are both similar. Kira/Amuro even feels wrong after killing Andy/Ramba.

Patrick Zala is Gihren Zabi (Both in that he believe in a suprerior race (Newtype/Coordinators), that he's killed by a family member (Athrun/Kycillia) and the he kills) Siegel Clyne is Degwin Sodo Zabi (In that he rules the Colonies, and that he is killed by Gihren/Patrick, so Gihren/Patrick cna take control)

And the mechs: Like I said, Strike is RX-78. They both feture similar weapons (Beam rifle, high powered long-range weapon, and high powered melee weapon, beam sabers, and a red and yellow shield). I'm willing to say Buster Gundam is both Guncannon and Guntank. Aegis Gundam is an amalgam is Char's various suits. Like their pilots, I can't quite place Blitz (Nicol) or Duel. (Yzak)

Providence Gundam is very easily the Zeong. They have similar color, and they have a detachable beam weapon. Freedom Gundam, I suppose, is RX-78 and Dijeh from Zeta. Justice is also an amalgam is Char suits.

Ginns's are Zakus, of course, and Strike Daggers are GMs.

Jachin Due is A Baoa Qu, (Both in that their space military bases, and that I couldn't pronouce their names unitl a little while ago) and GENESIS is the Solar Cannon. "Jachin" is one of the pillars in the Temple of Solomon (Solomon being one of Zeon's Outposts). Artemis is Luna II. Also, JOSH-A is Jaburo. I can't place ORB though. Heliopolis is Side 7. (Duh)

And, if you look closely, the Archangel is just an elongated White Base.

AND DESTINY!

The one thing that stuck out most was Lacus and Meer. One being switched out for another is very much like Haman Karn switching Mineva Zabi for a looklalike. That being said, Durandal is Haman Karn (Haha, he's a girl) and Scirocco.

Shinn is Kamille. Lunamaria is Emma Sheen (In that she get's a hand-me-down suit from Kamille/Shinn), Lila Milla Rira and Fa Yuiry (In that she has a romantic link to Shinn). Rey Za Burrel is both Quattro, and Glemmy Toto from ZZ Gundam. (In that he's a clone of someone else)

This time around, Andy Waltfeld plays the role of Henken Bekkener. Murrue is both Mirai and Hayato. (In that she's leader of a rebellious faction) Lord Djibril is an amalgam of various Titans leaders. Neo Roanokke is Scirocco and Bask Om.

Stella Loussier is Four Murasame. (For obvious reasons) But I can't place Sting or Auel.

Kira is both Amuro and, oddly enough, Jerid Messa. (In his rivalry with Shinn/Kamille) Athrun is Quattro (Using an alias uintil they figure him out, and wearing those weird sunglasses).

Cagalli is Fa Yuiry (In that they both get upset all the time), Lacus is Mineva, (As said before) and both are Blex Foyer.

Miriallia is Kai this time, both being photographers/secret agents.

Yzak is part Yazan Gable (In that he's a very angry man with a preference for blue mobile suits), but I can't quite place who else he's supposed to be. Dearka is the same, possibly Bright, in that he's been demoted since the previous war.

If Durandal is Scirocco, then Taia Gladys is Reccoa.

Impulse is the Gundam Mk.II, but is more like the RX-78 than Strike was. Destiny is Zeta Gundam, both in that they look the same (Specifically the red and black wings) and that their the eponimous mobile suits.

Zakus are Hizacks, in a strange twist. Akatsuki is Hyaku Shiki. Dagger Ls are GMIIs, but I'm not sure about the Windam.

Chaos, Abyss, and Gaia are (and I'm going on a guess here) Messala, Asshimar, and Gaplant, respectively. Destroy is both Psyco Gundam and Psyco Gundam MK.II.

I have no idea what Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice are supposed to be, or Legend. Saviour, I think, is also Zeta, both in similar design, and that they turn into jets.

MESSIAH is Axis, an Ragnarok and Neo-GENESIS are the Gryps II Solar Cannon.

FAITH is both AUEG and Axis, Logos is the Titans, and Terminal is the AUEG.

Break the World is more like Operation: Stardust from 0083: Stardust Memory.

CE 73 Stargazer is, like I said, 0080: War in the Pocket, in that an team of ace mobile suit pilots have to stop a prototype mobile suit in space.

An that's about it. Try tying Wing to UC as many times as I tied CE to UC.

What are these? Some sort of transforming Zaku, but from where?
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Shadowman wrote:A whole load of stuff

Well that was a whole load of stuff I didn't actually read cause you started talking about Seed and Destiny whereas we were talking about Stargazer. Nowhere did I denied the fact that Seed&Destiny are fancy contemporary remakes of UC. I am dully aware.
If you actually read what other people say you can save yourself the trouble of writing a long post like that

It just annoys me how a lot of gundam fans bash Seed (which I liked) and Destiny (which I liked a lot less then seed) because they are based on but are not the same as the UC stuff. And therefore they cannot possibly like it.
It kinda reminds me of something... *ponders*
Ah right.
I dare not say it, but ill do it anyway: "Geewungers" or "G1 purists". It gives me the same vibe.

Spoon wrote:

Shadowman wrote:A whole load of stuff

Well that was a whole load of stuff I didn't actually read cause you started talking about Seed and Destiny whereas we were talking about Stargazer. Nowhere did I denied the fact that Seed&Destiny are fancy contemporary remakes of UC. I am dully aware.
If you actually read what other people say you can save yourself the trouble of writing a long post like that

No, you're not listening. I'm not asking which universe Astray was based off of (I've already got Stargazer), I'm asking which UC series it was a remake of.

It can't be a remake of SEED.

Shadowman wrote:

Spoon wrote:

Shadowman wrote:A whole load of stuff

Well that was a whole load of stuff I didn't actually read cause you started talking about Seed and Destiny whereas we were talking about Stargazer. Nowhere did I denied the fact that Seed&Destiny are fancy contemporary remakes of UC. I am dully aware.
If you actually read what other people say you can save yourself the trouble of writing a long post like that

No, you're not listening. I'm not asking which universe Astray was based off of (I've already got Stargazer), I'm asking which UC series it was a remake of.

It can't be a remake of SEED.

*sigh*
And like I already said like 2 times before. I don't believe astray and stargazer are a remake of anything. Just an expansion on the seed universe.
Gosh reading really IS hard for you éh?

I'll agree with the SEED/UC comparison, but only about 25% of your character comparisons. As for the Strike/RX-78 thing, NO WAY! The strike is my favorite suit of all time, and it looks more like an F91 than a 78. I have every incarnation of Strike in Toy and Model, and I don't see it. It was the high point of SEED for me. SEED was an homage to all the other Gundam series to an extent, that's why it was pushed so hard. It was also by the writers own admissions influenced heavily by Macross, such as the various add-ons for the Strike. Also, the Mu character is OBVIOUSLY an almost direct incarnation of Roy Focker in looks and personality. And let's not forget about the "Bridge Bunnies". I liked SEED a lot, but to say it's nothing more than a UC rehash isn't fair, it goes a lot farther than that. UC is always going to be my favorite timeline, but if you really can't see the references/homages to other anime's, then you really need to watch it again.