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No. I'm not kidding.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39535911/ns/us_news-life/

$75.00? Are you kidding me? They couldn't have billed him for it afterward? Seriously?

Yeah, he admits that paying it slipped his mind, but still...

The firefighters actually stood there and let the house burn down to the ground? Over $75.00? All of the family's memories, all of their belongings, everything they loved and cherished now gone over a fee that's less than a hundred bucks?

No. Hell no.

The fact that the family is so calm about it is ridiculous. How stupid can you be to sit there and basically say "Well, they's wus jus' doin' dey job."? No. I'd be raging out and suing them into the ground.

The firefighters calling to apologize? YOU DO YOUR DAMN JOB AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE!

There would be hell to pay had a person actually been inside the residence at the time.

I realize they need the fee to operate, I realize they're operating on a shoestring budget, but this is ridiculous. I hope this causes some major changes, because this is literally a matter of life and death.

Even other firefighters are calling bull on the situation. This is disgusting.

That sorry bastard. If this crap happened to me, I'd walk my ass to his house and burn his house down myself, and see how he likes it.

Here is the worst part-people on the fire crew probably knew who the people were that own the house.

Everyone in this case is an idiot.

The firefighters are idiots for making someone pay in advance, and, when they fail to, you look away as their house burns down.

The victims are idiots for not growing a pair and doing something about this. "They're just doing their job" no, their not, if they were doing their job I wouldn't be making a post on how people are idiots.

And everyone defending the firefighters are idiots for just defending them. You think it's okay to let someone lose everything they own over $75? It's not! If the fire department was so broke they should have talked to the mayor or governor or someone about better funding. Not an insane policy where you have to pay in advance or else they won't save your home.

Apparently the fire-fighters sued the guy's sun because he attacked the chief after he heard what happened.

Why do I have a feeling that this is going to get worse for the firefighters before everything is said and done..

Dead Metal wrote:Apparently the fire-fighters sued the guy's sun because he attacked the chief after he heard what happened.

He has every right to beat the hot dog piss out of that fire fighter!

SlyTF1 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Apparently the fire-fighters sued the guy's sun because he attacked the chief after he heard what happened.

He has every right to beat the hot dog piss out of that fire fighter!

No he does not, because this is a nation of laws. This is not a 3rd world country. The law applies equally.

It's terrible that this happened. I'm going to say the low down dirty thing here...

Firefighters are not subscribed to a code of ethics like doctors that requires action. Not only that, but there are jurisdictional issues that apply here.

I'm not saying it was a "good action" on their part, I'm not saying that they were in the "right". The house that burned was outside the firefighter's territory, hence the yearly fee.

It's JUST like insurance. If your house burns down you can't pay an insurance agent $100 after the fact to obtain $100,000 in coverage.

Sometimes the world is simply...the way it is.

Counterpunch wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Apparently the fire-fighters sued the guy's sun because he attacked the chief after he heard what happened.

He has every right to beat the hot dog piss out of that fire fighter!

No he does not, because this is a nation of laws. This is not a 3rd world country. The law applies equally.

Well, If I had the power to change the laws, I'd change the law for a day so the son could beat the crap out of him, then I'd go down and kick his ass my self, then get a bunch of angry citizens to help me kick his ass.

I'm sorry it just pisses me off that even the people that we are supposed to trust dont give a damn about anything other than their personal gain. This just proves my point that humanity is f*ked because of our own actions and no one wants to admit it.

Counterpunch wrote:Sometimes the world is simply...the way it is.

Sometimes that's just not good enough...and *THAT'S* the way it is.

You'd be singing a different tune, and you know you would, if it was your home burning to the ground while the firefighters stood there and did nothing.

This should not be excusable, for any reason. None whatsoever.

That sounds like an exceedingly dangerous way to run a fire department, letting fires burn on property that didn't pay.

SlyTF1 wrote:Well, If I had the power to change the laws, I'd change the law for a day so the son could beat the crap out of him, then I'd go down and kick his ass my self, then get a bunch of angry citizens to help me kick his ass.

Congratulations, you have the law-making skill of a 3rd world country leader. You maybe want to make a law where you can cut off a man's hands for stealing?

Counterpunch wrote:It's JUST like insurance. If your house burns down you can't pay an insurance agent $100 after the fact to obtain $100,000 in coverage.

Sometimes the world is simply...the way it is.

Yeah, and it's bull. Just because they didn't pay a relatively small amount of money in advance, everything they owned was destroyed. That's like if you don't pay the police in advance, they won't investigate the guy who robbed your house. Or an EMT won't try to resuscitate you if you didn't pay beforehand. And then they get away with it because the law allows their douchebag move.

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Well, If I had the power to change the laws, I'd change the law for a day so the son could beat the crap out of him, then I'd go down and kick his ass my self, then get a bunch of angry citizens to help me kick his ass.

Congratulations, you have the law-making skill of a 3rd world country leader. You maybe want to make a law where you can cut off a man's hands for stealing?

Only if its not stealing for a just cause.

SlyTF1 wrote:Only if its not stealing for a just cause.

That was a rhetorical question. Although your answer proved that you would be a genuinely awful leader.

Mutilation =/= reasonable punishment.

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Only if its not stealing for a just cause.

That was a rhetorical question. Although your answer proved that you would be a genuinely awful leader.

Mutilation =/= reasonable punishment.

They did it in the early civilizations. It worked out pretty well for them.

SlyTF1 wrote:They did it in the early civilizations. It worked out pretty well for them.

If early civilizations did it, it's not only a bad idea now, it was also a bad idea then, too. When people say "look at how far we've come since" when talking about history, they don't just mean cellphones. I mean, it hasn't even been two centuries since we realized slavery is a bad thing.

To simplify this, name one country that uses mutilation as a rehabilitation method that isn't also a third world country.

Shadowman wrote:Or an EMT won't try to resuscitate you if you didn't pay beforehand.

Sorry, have to correct you on a misconception here. You DON'T pay EMS service for treatment. You pay them PURELY for transportation and gas(at least at AMR and rural BLS systems). Treatment is 100% free(hence why you aren't charged if they treat you and you fill out an Informed Denial of Transport sheet, which you can only sign if you're a mentally capable legal adult).

It'd be more like them denying you transportation for not paying before hand(which is illegal by DoT standards, BTW, the ONLY reason they won't bring you is you signing the aforementioned Denial).

Midnight_Fox wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Or an EMT won't try to resuscitate you if you didn't pay beforehand.

Sorry, have to correct you on a misconception here. You DON'T pay EMS service for treatment.

First off, I know. It was a hypothetical situation I was using to point out how ridiculous it was to have fire fighters allow someone's house to burn down.

Second, I didn't say EMS, I said EMT.

EMTs are trained to assess a patient's condition, and to perform such emergency medical procedures as are needed to maintain a patent airway with adequate breathing and cardiovascular circulation until the patient can be transferred to an appropriate destination for advanced medical care. Interventions include cardiopulmonary resuscitation, defibrillation, controlling severe external bleeding, preventing shock, body immobilization to prevent spinal damage, and splinting of bone fractures.

Shadowman wrote:Second, I didn't say EMS, I said EMT.

This is why I hate Wikipedia.

An EMT is part of the BLS(Basic Life Saving, as opposed to ALS, Advanced Life Saving, mostly Paramedics) of an EMS system. In the field(and in practice), EMS and EMT(both Basic and Intermediate levels) are interchangeable terms. As well, some of these terms will change soon as restructures are in the process being made within the National Registry and DoT. Besides, in most areas, you'd be hard pressed to find an ambulance without both a BLS(EMT-B or EMT-I) and an ALS(Paramedic) on board(nigh impossible in cities with services like AMR that requires an ALS provider be present on an Ambulance so that you don't have to call for a separate ALS unit and waste time).

In case you're wondering, I'm a trained EMT-B.

However, we're getting dragged massively off topic. We should probably continue this in PM if we wish to.

Midnight_Fox wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Second, I didn't say EMS, I said EMT.

This is why I hate Wikipedia.

An EMT is part of the BLS(Basic Life Saving, as opposed to ALS, Advanced Life Saving, mostly Paramedics) of an EMS system. In the field(and in practice), EMS and EMT(both Basic and Intermediate levels) are interchangeable terms. As well, some of these terms will change soon as restructures are in the process being made within the National Registry and DoT. Besides, in most areas, you'd be hard pressed to find an ambulance without both a BLS(EMT-B or EMT-I) and an ALS(Paramedic) on board(nigh impossible in cities with services like AMR that requires an ALS provider be present on an Ambulance so that you don't have to call for a separate ALS unit and waste time).

In case you're wondering, I'm a trained EMT-B.

However, we're getting dragged massively off topic. We should probably continue this in PM if we wish to.

...you're avoiding his point completely. Who cares if it's EMS, EMT, ABC, CBS, or FOX? The point is, these people lost their home and everything in it because the firefighters wouldn't do their job over $75.00 and he was making a point.

You took pieces of that point and ran in a completely different direction, for reasons I can't even begin to understand.

Autobot032 wrote:...you're avoiding his point completely. Who cares if it's EMS, EMT, ABC, CBS, or FOX? The point is, these people lost their home and everything in it because the firefighters wouldn't do their job over $75.00 and he was making a point.

You took pieces of that point and ran in a completely different direction, for reasons I can't even begin to understand.

And we have a winner, folks. I don't care about the difference between an EMS, EMT, paramedic, whatever, and no amount of hair-splitting can make me care. Because that's not my point. It's the job of the people in the ambulance to make sure the person their transporting doesn't die on the way to the hospital.

My point was that if you refuse to do your job of rescuing someone's life, limb, or property because they didn't pay you beforehand, you are, in the simplest terms, an asshole. In fact, even if it isn't your job, refusing to help people if they don't pay up is wrong.

I really thought I made that clear when I first posted it.

Shadowman wrote:if you refuse to do your job of rescuing someone's life, limb, or property because they didn't pay you beforehand, you are, in the simplest terms, an asshole.

You, sir, deserve a Ph.D. in common sense. I tried staying out of this, but I really have to agree with that. When someone is in trouble, helping them is just common human decency. Apparently something these assholes were lacking.

I also understand Counterpunch's point regarding the laws. The firefighters were prevented by law to help, because the people didn't pay. So really, it's the policy that's at fault here. But, once again, when someone is in big trouble like that, others who have compassion shouldn't be bothered by breaking a ridiculous law like that anyway.

"just doing their job"
that's utter bull****
Thjeir job is to put out fire, im afraid.
Hence the name firefighters

No sane human would just stand & watch such disaster happening before their very eyes.There has got to be a reason for this kind of event to take place

I believe the firemen really are abiding by the bosses' order while weeping away in their hearts.Firemen,as I have often heard & come to know personally,are really some of the most caring people around.

Apparently enough,laws of a certain locality imposed by these "bosses" are inhuman enough to stand by the code of honour "Nothing is above the law".And this,I believe is the shi**est thing ever.If,as a human,you are not able to reason & use your heart to listen,then it truly is the end for mankind

buntch of jobsworths i once got into trouble for chaceing a man who held up a shop i chased him 2 miles before i got tackeld buy a gang of junkies the police said it wasnt my job but i still would do it ( i was a security guard at the time and a 17 year old 5 foot 5 woman )
the arseholls should just do thare jobs then say oh we didnt know thay didnt pay
idiots
ps its arseholls an ass is a donky