The Energon Pub

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:40 am**

Hey all,

I'm currently working on a master-list of TF weaponry using the VSD, partially to see if there are any good weapons that aren't currently in HMW, and partially so that we could hypothetically have a reference page in the HMW Help section similar to the one from the Alt-modes. Don't know if it's something that will get implemented or not, but either way it's been interesting to look.

Here's what I've got so far:

20 Megavolt Stun Rifle
Acid Rainmaker Rifles
Acid Rays
Adhesion Rifle
Air-to-Air Heat Seeking Concussion Missiles – G1 Dirge
Armor Axe
Armor-Piercing Rocket-Dart Hunting Rifle – G1 Mirage
Automatic Machine Gun – G1 Dirge
Basic weapons (7)
Battle Blades – BW Optimus Primal
Black Magic
Blue Bolt – RID Ultra Magnus
Brawn Blaster
Centigrade Flame-Thrower
Cluster Bomb Missile Launchers – G1 Ramjet
Concussion Blaster Gun – G1 Ransack
Concussion Bombs – G1 Powerglide
Concussion Cannon
Concussion Rifle – G1 Perceptor
Crossbow
Cyclone Gun
Diffraction Sword
Direct-Current Electrical Laser
Dirge Gun –
Disruptor Rifle
Dol-Laser Rifle
Double Venom Lasers
Double-Barreled Plasma Shell Shotgun
Dual Air-To-Air Missile Launchers
Dual Heat-Seeking Missile Launchers – G1 Longhaul
Dual-Sonic Disrupter Gun
Earth-Auger Missiles – G1 Hauler
Electric Cannon
Electromagnetic Pulse Emitter – G1 Cross Cut
Electron Blaster – G1 Skids, G1 Slag
Electron Gun
Electron Scimitar – G1 Blitzwing
Electron Sword – G1 Megaplex
Electron-Pulse Gun
Electro Scrambler Gun – G1 Blaster
Elemental Powers
Energon Crossbow
Energo-Sword – G1 Grimlock
Energy Mace – G1 Megaplex
Extinguisher Rifle – G1 Inferno
Fire Stone Sling
Firepower / Skill weapons (37)
Fusion Cannon – G1 Megatron, G1 Megaplex
Fusion-Powered Photon Rifle
Galaxial Rocket Launcher – G1 Grimlock
Gatling Cannon
Gatling Gun
Glass Gas Gun – G1 Cliffjumper
Grenade Launcher – G1 Shrapnel
Gun
Gyro Blaster Rifle – G1 Blitzwing
Hand-Mounted Lasers – G1 Seaspray (sort of)
Heat-Ray Rifle – G1 Overcharge
Heat-Seeking Incendiary Missiles – G1 Hoist
Heat-Seeking Laser Blasters
Heat-Seeking Missiles – G1 Ravage, G1 Skywarp
Heat-Seeking Photon Missiles – G1 Jetfire
High-Energy Laser Rifle – G1 Slag
High-Energy Particle Beam Rifle – G1 Red Alert
High-Impact Laser Blasters
High-Temperature Arc-Welder Rifle – G1 Grapple
High-Temperature Thermal Beam – G1 Powerglide
Infrared Cannon – G1 Mixmaster
Ionic Displacer Rifle – G1 Astrotrain
Ion-Charge Disperser Rifle – G1 Bluestreak
Kremzeek
Laser Beam Rifle – G1 Ramjet
Laser Cannon – G1 Laserbeak, G1 Omega Supre,e, G1 Seaspray
Laser Pistol – G1 Constructicons
Laser Rifle – G1 Optimus Prime, G1 Roadbuster
Laser-Blazer Broadsword
Laser-Guided Sword
Light Cannon – G1 Perceptor
Lightning Rifle
Liquid Nitrogen Rifle – G1 Skids
Low Radiation 1 Megaton Proton Bombs – G1 Ravage
Mace
Maceration Laser
Megaton Battle Sword
Metal-slashing Claw
Missile Launcher – G1 Scavenger
Molecular Canceller Nega-Gun
Neptune Sword
Neutron Blaster – G1 Camshaft
Null-Ray Rifle
Particle Beam Cannon – G1 Jetfire
Particle Beam Rifle – G1 Cosmos, G1 Jetfire
Photon Cannon – G1 Chop Shop
Photon Eliminator Rifle
Photon Laser – G1 Chop Shop, G1 Garboil
Photon Pistol
Photon-Displacer Gun
Plasma Beam Rifle – G1 Overdrive
Plasma Blaster – G1 Omega Supreme
Plasma Discharger – G1 Road Rage
Plasma Sphere Shooter
Poisonous Paralyzer Fluids – BW Megatron
Razor Tipped Wing Swords
Retractable Mecha-Fangs
Rifle
Rocket Launcher – G1 Hook
Rocket Propelled Mortar Shells
Sandblaster Gun – G1 Downshift
Sawed-Off C02 Shotgun
Semi-Automatic Rifle – G1 Prowl
Shoulder Mounted Hologram Gun – G1 Hound
Shoulder Mounted Rocket Launcher – G1 Lambourghinis
Shrapnel-Missile Launcher – G1 Roadbuster
Slingshot
Sniper Rifle
Soda Gun – G1 Pepsi Prime
Solar Energy Beam Rifle – G1 Devastator
Solar-Powered Photon Rifle – G1 Jazz
Sonic Rifle – G1 Barrage
Sonic Sword
Sonic-Stun Gun
Static Laser Gun – G1 Ironhide, G1 Ratchet
Stun Grenade – G1 Crosscut
Sub-Machine Gun – G1 Kickback, G1 Shot Hole
Surface-to-Air Missiles – G1 Inferno
Sword
Thermal Sword
Turret-Mounted Gun
Turret-Mounted Linear Blaster Gun – G1 Roadbuster
Twin Ion Impulse Blaster – G1 Salvo
Twin Magnabomb Launchers – G1 Road Rage
Twin Mortar Cannons – G1 Buzzsaw
Twin Swords
Twin Vertigo Guns – G1 Cross Cut
Underwater And Surface-To-Air Cannons – G1 Seaspray
Variable-caliber Machine Gun – G1 Skywarp
Vibro-Axe
Vibro-Force Gun – G1 Hauler
Wire-Guided Incendiary Missile Launcher – G1 Prowl
X-Ray Laser

I stopped just before G1 Sludge last night when the sight went wonky.

If any of you are interested in picking a TF series and trying to identify the source of some of those weapons above, go for it.

This can actually be kind of fun if you don't do it for too long at a stretch.

Note: I haven't generally been making distinctions based on ammo - I recorded Prowl as having a SAR, not a SAR that fires Corrosive Acid Pellets.

Also, if you can, be on the look out for canon armors. I think the Beast era will be the bi source of that. So far I have:

Titanium-Steel – G1 Bonecrusher
Feedbacker Shield – G1 Howlback
Ceramic-Plated Armor Skin – G1 Inferno
Trithyllium-steel Alloy (impregnated with Irradiated Carbon Fibers) – G1 Ironhide
Electromagnetic Emission Shield – G1 Ravage
Carbon-Steel Plate

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:37 am**

Not sure many of these will do you any good:

Black Magic - G1 Mindwipe
Fire Stone Sling - G1 Wheelie
Sword - G1 Snarl
Gun - G1 Warpath
Double-Barreled Plasma Shell Shotgun - G1 Getaway
X-ray Laser - G1 Nosecone (MTMTE calls it "X-Ray Rifle"...)
Electron Pulse Gun - G1 Scattershot (called an "electron pulse cannon", though)
Concussion Cannon - G1 Catilla

Others I'm not sure about, but am gonna toss suggestions out for:

Elemental Powers - G1 Sunstorm, maybe?
Energon Crossbow - Energon Arcee?
Razor Tipped Wing Swords - Armada Starscream
Armor Axe - G1 Wreck-Gar
Mace - Energon Battle Ravage (mace tail...)
Rifle - Armada Blurr

And as for canon armors:

Durabyllium Steel - G1 Catilla

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:41 am**

While we're on the subject of weapons, is there ever going to be a chance to include weapons beyond the Transformers canon? Maybe not the BFG (though come on, imagine that baby!), but maybe some of the stuff from Warhammer 40,000 (like meltaguns or reaper autocannons), some of the weapons from Halo or Quake, or even the M41-A Pulse Rifle from "Aliens". Huh? HUH!?
[/silly idea]

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:46 am**

Windracer wrote:Elemental Powers - G1 Sunstorm, maybe?

I would hazard that this come from BW Tigerhawk, who was weilding the elements long before DW had Sunstorm rampaging across the comic pages.

Gatling Gun - possibly BW Rhinox, could be earlier.

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:13 am**

Jesus Prime wrote:While we're on the subject of weapons, is there ever going to be a chance to include weapons beyond the Transformers canon? Maybe not the BFG (though come on, imagine that baby!), but maybe some of the stuff from Warhammer 40,000 (like meltaguns or reaper autocannons), some of the weapons from Halo or Quake, or even the M41-A Pulse Rifle from "Aliens". Huh? HUH!?
[/silly idea]

I like this idea!

Also what about resurrecting the old Swindle's marketplace thread?:
http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewto ... t=935&sid=

And plundering it for V2

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:24 am**

Shatterblasters - Hot Spot

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:27 am**

RMFs are Ratbat's
MBS is is the bot gestalt from beast wars's weapon
VA is Broadside's

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:32 am**

Tammuz wrote:MBS is is the bot gestalt from beast wars's weapon

Magnaboss?

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:32 am**

Thunderscream wrote:
Tammuz wrote:MBS is is the bot gestalt from beast wars's weapon

Magnaboss?

yeah, Huge piece of roadkill.

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:02 am**

1 bruticus http://www.seibertron.com/database/char ... har_id=148 stun gun
concussion b gun http://www.seibertron.com/database/char ... &char_id=6 soundwave
elec p gun http://www.seibertron.com/database/char ... har_id=108 sunstreaker
cyclone gun http://www.seibertron.com/database/char ... char_id=78 menasor

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:42 am**

Windracer wrote:Not sure many of these will do you any good:

Black Magic - G1 Mindwipe
Fire Stone Sling - G1 Wheelie
Sword - G1 Snarl
Gun - G1 Warpath
Double-Barreled Plasma Shell Shotgun - G1 Getaway
X-ray Laser - G1 Nosecone (MTMTE calls it "X-Ray Rifle"...)
Electron Pulse Gun - G1 Scattershot (called an "electron pulse cannon", though)
Concussion Cannon - G1 Catilla

Others I'm not sure about, but am gonna toss suggestions out for:

Elemental Powers - G1 Sunstorm, maybe?
Energon Crossbow - Energon Arcee?
Razor Tipped Wing Swords - Armada Starscream
Armor Axe - G1 Wreck-Gar
Mace - Energon Battle Ravage (mace tail...)
Rifle - Armada Blurr

And as for canon armors:

Durabyllium Steel - G1 Catilla

Glyph posted waaay back in the day that Black Magic was the canon weapon of one of the Japanese G1 Destron's I forget which one. Both Shockwave and Predaking were said to use X-Ray Lasers in the American G1 Marvel Comics of the 80's. The Energon Crossbow is without a doubt the weapon used by Energon Arcee/Flamewar and the other various repaints of the mold. Razor Tipped Wing Swords is tricky as both BW Fuzor Silverbolt and the Armada Seekers had them. Stranglehold used the Brawn Blaster in his Pretender Shell and a Concusion Blaster Rifle in Robot mode. That's all I could figure out at the minute.

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:56 am**

since OMEGA SUPREME uses the plasma blaster
why is it so weak :-?

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:53 am**

steve2275 wrote:since OMEGA SUPREME uses the plasma blaster
why is it so weak

That sort of question was part of the reason I wanted to do this research before we finalized weaponry for v2. That gun is supposed to "pulverize" a 12'x12'x12' steel cube. Not quite a Fusion Cannon, but bad@$$ nonetheless.

Thanks for the help so far guys.

Hopefully I can get on a personal (i.e. not public) computer sometime tonight to update my list.

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:22 pm**

Sorry for any overlap. This should be most of them.
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20 megavolt Stun Rifle: Pincher (Pretender)
Acid Rainmaker Rifles:Highbrow
Adhesion Rifle:Rewind
Armor Axe :Wreck Gar

Centigrade Flame-Thrower:Near as I can tell, this belongs to the Dinobto breath weapons

Concussion Cannon: Over-Run(Action) Catilla, Krok
Crossbow:Rav/Chro, Roulette, Shadowstriker,
Cyclone Gun: Menasor
Diffraction Sword:headstrong
Dirge Gun: Dirge('98 )

Double-Barreled Plasma Shell Shotgun:geatwawy. (Gotta love a gun who;s name is longer than the list of users...)

Dual Air-To-Air Missile Launchers :Full Barrel (MM Command Jet)

Dual-Sonic Disrupter Gun:Skowl
Electric Cannon:Bludgeon, Topspin
Electron Gun: Brawl
Energon Crossbow:Incredibaly, it's Rav for the win, not Arcee
Fire Stone Sling: Wheelie?
Gatling Cannon:rampage, Gigant Bomb
Gatling Gun:Circuit,
Gyro Blaster:Deep Cover
Laser-Blazer Broadsword: Gripper
Laser-Guided Sword: Divebomb(Predaking)
Lightning Rifle:Tentakil, Rampage

Mace:I suspect this is meant to be generic, but in some form, it belongs to:Megaplex, Apelinq, Rhinox, megatron, Armordillo, Dillo, Battle ravage, Sharkticon

Maceration Laser :Gnaw
Metal-slashing Claw:Claw Jaw
Neptune Sword:God Neptune (Piranacon)
Null-Ray Rifle:Whirl

Photon Pistol:First Aid, Night Beat, Blades, Groove, Streetwise, Skyhammer, Quake

Photon-Displacer Gun:Fireflight
Plasma Sphere Shooter:headstrong

Poisonous Parilyzers belonged to any BW with a water squirter gimmick.

Retractable Mecha-Fangs:Cyb Snarl?
Rocket Propelled Mortar Shells: Metroplex
Sawed-Off C02 Shotgun:Siren
Slingshot:Wheelie?
Sniper Rifle:Mirage(Spychanger)
Sonic Sword:razorclaw(Predaking)
Sonic-Stun Gun:Hun-Grr, Bruticus
Thermal Sword: Swoop

Turret-Mounted Gun:Brawl, Sharkticon and Roadbuster in modified versions

Vibro-Axe:Broadside

X-Ray Laser:BumbleBee, Nosecone, Blast-Off, Flattop
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Also, "Gun" "Sword" "Axe" etc., are prob just a general term.

Your welcome.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:00 am**

here are some gun's from a few canons,will look more later on,for armor type aswell,hope they help.

slime gun: Blot
which shoots an awful-smelling and irritating stream of corrosive liquid. Its catalytic base reacts with most metals to make them as soft and pliable as rubber.

double-barreled magnetizer: Cutthroat
which oppositely charges any metal target so it tears itself apart.

Cyclone Gun: Menasor/Rippersnapper
2 electro-burst rifles:Wingspan
2 laser-guilded electro-kinetic blasters: Darkwing
2 lock-target, long-range laser cannons: Windsweeper
armor-piercing rocket-grenade launcher:Sinnertwin
twin anti-personnel missile launching guns:Pounce
concussion blaster:Horri-Bull
sonic stun gun:Hun-Grrr

if you want i can due a Series at a time for you in the Vector Sigma Database,just tell me which one,and i'll copy all the weapons down,and any armors i find.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:52 am**

I sure this has come up before.

I dont get why using cannon TF weapons is a must.
I mean shouldnt all TFs get their sigature weapons and keep and upgrade that signature weapon?

I mean isnt that more Transformerish?

Switching weapons for newer, better, and unrelated weapons seems like an odd choice for a weapons system.

I dont know if you guys are planning V2 to have the same system but it would probaly lead to more prefered weapons that make most weapons seem useless, like battle blades.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:55 am**

Vanguard wrote:Shatterblasters - Hot Spot

Hotspots armed with Fireball cannons its Hardhead who is armed with Shatterblasters

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:44 am**

Caelus wrote:
steve2275 wrote:since OMEGA SUPREME uses the plasma blaster
why is it so weak

That sort of question was part of the reason I wanted to do this research before we finalized weaponry for v2. That gun is supposed to "pulverize" a 12'x12'x12' steel cube. Not quite a Fusion Cannon, but bad@$$ nonetheless.

Thanks for the help so far guys.

Hopefully I can get on a personal (i.e. not public) computer sometime tonight to update my list.

It's a Plasma Cannon
Pistol
Rifle
Blaster
Cannon

May want to keep this in mind as an idea when designing variations of similar weapons.
When I worked on my TF Dice based RPG, I figured this out for example:
Laser Pistol (Can't remember)
Heavy Laser Pistol (Can't Remember)
Laser Rifle (Firepower 6, Prime's was a modified one counting as FP 7)
Heavy Laser Rifle (Firepower 7, Prime's was a modified one counting as FP8)
Laser Blaster (FP

Laser Cannon (FP 9)

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:03 am**

steve2275 wrote:since OMEGA SUPREME uses the plasma blaster
why is it so weak

Omega Supreme and those dadgum plasma blasters. He always thought they made him better than me when we were growing up but I always knew better.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:11 am**

Omega Sentinel wrote:
steve2275 wrote:since OMEGA SUPREME uses the plasma blaster
why is it so weak
Omega Supreme and those dadgum plasma blasters. He always thought they made him better than me when we were growing up but I always knew better.

Your weapon of choice being the Electro sword then OS?

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:41 am**

Vanguard wrote:
Omega Sentinel wrote:
steve2275 wrote:since OMEGA SUPREME uses the plasma blaster
why is it so weak
Omega Supreme and those dadgum plasma blasters. He always thought they made him better than me when we were growing up but I always knew better.

Your weapon of choice being the Electro sword then OS?

Of course. A gun can't do much when it is sliced in half ;;)

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:54 am**

Omega Sentinel wrote:
Vanguard wrote:
Omega Sentinel wrote:
steve2275 wrote:since OMEGA SUPREME uses the plasma blaster
why is it so weak
Omega Supreme and those dadgum plasma blasters. He always thought they made him better than me when we were growing up but I always knew better.

Your weapon of choice being the Electro sword then OS?
Of course. A gun can't do much when it is sliced in half

There's this thing called range.

Which, by the way, I'd like to see used. Differentiate melee and ranged weapons, count pistols as both, and have one not work when the other's in range. Certain attacks can add or subract from the distance between bots. It'd be too hard to use in missions but it'd really add a level to the arena. I could flesh out the idea mathematically if you want, tuck it away for the future.

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:06 am**

GreenLantern of Cybertron wrote:I sure this has come up before.

I dont get why using cannon TF weapons is a must.
I mean shouldnt all TFs get their sigature weapons and keep and upgrade that signature weapon?

I mean isnt that more Transformerish?

Switching weapons for newer, better, and unrelated weapons seems like an odd choice for a weapons system.

I dont know if you guys are planning V2 to have the same system but it would probaly lead to more prefered weapons that make most weapons seem useless, like battle blades.

Must admit, this seems like a good plan to me. Especially since a good deal of canonical TF weapons were more or less unique - with the exception of bog-standard laser weapons, there weren't usually more than one or two TFs with any given specific weapon.
With the system GLoC suggests, it would make the weapon selections much more characterful - you could actually give your character the type of weapon indicated on their bio, and upgrade it as they increase in experience and funds.

As a personal example, my character Whiteburn is equipped with a flamethrower system as his primary weapon. Looking at the roster, the only things I can give him that even vaguely resembles it are a centigrade flamethrower or a firestone sling. If I want to upgrade to anything more powerful than that I'm basically throwing his character out the window.

Would a small range of upgradable weapons be more difficult to implement than a huge list of basic ones?

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:40 pm**

Z-z wrote:
Caelus wrote:
steve2275 wrote:since OMEGA SUPREME uses the plasma blaster
why is it so weak

That sort of question was part of the reason I wanted to do this research before we finalized weaponry for v2. That gun is supposed to "pulverize" a 12'x12'x12' steel cube. Not quite a Fusion Cannon, but bad@$$ nonetheless.

Thanks for the help so far guys.

Hopefully I can get on a personal (i.e. not public) computer sometime tonight to update my list.

It's a Plasma Cannon
Pistol
Rifle
Blaster
Cannon

Plasma Blaster.

Anyway, if we get into dramatically rearranging the pecking order of the weapons, two possibilities had occurred to me:

1) Use the Pistol/Rifle/Cannon ranking same as you suggested (although that only helps us on like a third of the weapons).

2) Use the Fp/Skl stats of the canon wielders, so that a person could make a canonically correct TF if the wanted too.

I'm going to talk to Tammuz about the Custom weapons, but I know its come up before and generally been ruled out.

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