The Energon Pub

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:15 pm**

I couldn't post in the sticky because it was locked, but here goes.

I can really imagine that most people don't like that the AWC and RDD have effectively been shut down in one fel swoop. But this shouldn't detract from the fun we'd normally get out of it.

You see, way back in the day we had the AR (Autobot Revolution), it's primary function was to get more bots into the missions instead of the arena. It was pretty successful, even to the point where Decepticons started to join for the sake of balance. After a while we got better organized and split into the AWC and RDD.

The entire idea behind the factions was to keep the game balanced and fun.

So, I suggest the following for Seibertron.com, the AWC and RDD;

1. No banning, warnings and whatnot till V2 starts (we'd still like to discuss this in our respective forums).

2. Move the AWC and RDD into the respective Autobot/Decepticon forums that will be established once V2 starts.

3. Don't stop playing because something has changed.

Would this be fair for everyone?

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:20 pm**

Why quit when you don't even know what V2 will bring (Forum-wise). I think that this change is going to make the game 10x more fun for everyone bringing more people to their faction forum together rather than fracturing into separate groups!

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:22 pm**

Because it is more about the principal of what is being done to the offsite factions

This is wrong and should not be done

Besides it was never the factions that have been a problem but certain players. If you get rid of the offsite forums not only are you going to drive people away you wound do a damn thing about the problem

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:45 pm**

A way of peace I'm offering:
As I understand, you have only problems with offsite forums, how about the subfacts moving to Seibertron, and than I mean:
- have one-one sub-forum to subfactions, with access to the subfaction members only, and as mods, the subfaction "leaders"
- a propose for subfaction rules:
-- one subfaction must be purely from one faction
-- one player can be the member of only one subfaction
-- needs at least xx members to open a subfaction

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:09 pm**

I also have to wonder what the point of banning people for participating in off-site forums.

1.) People are having fun doing it this way, and that's the point of a game.
2.) It means that the Seibertron.com is going to have to expend more energy and effort analyzing outside websites to police itself.
3.) The entire thing smacks of 1984.
4.) You know what? Screw it. I joined this site three years ago to have fun, and the past year has been pointless drama after drama, whether it's instigating board wars with Don Murphy, banning the best damn mods that were ever here, begging for handouts to buy cameras, and now it's banning people for not being part of the Seibertron community.

Ban me.

Operation Ravage, signing off.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:48 pm**

Knight Hawk wrote:Why quit when you don't even know what V2 will bring (Forum-wise). I think that this change is going to make the game 10x more fun for everyone bringing more people to their faction forum together rather than fracturing into separate groups!

No it won't. The people who post reguarly on the RDD forums also post regulary on the faction forums, and the ones who don't post regulary there don't do it here either.

Actually, to be honest I got bored of the rest of Seibertron a long time ago when the quality began to slip, I was getting bored of HMW too untill I joined the RDD. So thank's for makeing the decision for me oh great powers that be. Good bye Seibertron.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:51 pm**

Uncrazzimatic wrote:
Knight Hawk wrote:Why quit when you don't even know what V2 will bring (Forum-wise). I think that this change is going to make the game 10x more fun for everyone bringing more people to their faction forum together rather than fracturing into separate groups!

No it won't. The people who post reguarly on the RDD forums also post regulary on the faction forums, and the ones who don't post regulary there don't do it here either.

Then with double the posts here it might bring out some of the others to post. Plus it will help unify the factions rather than dividing them into sub-factions, being that the point of the game is faction unity and team-work... not sub-faction divisions.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:59 pm**

Knight Hawk wrote:
Uncrazzimatic wrote:
Knight Hawk wrote:Why quit when you don't even know what V2 will bring (Forum-wise). I think that this change is going to make the game 10x more fun for everyone bringing more people to their faction forum together rather than fracturing into separate groups!

No it won't. The people who post reguarly on the RDD forums also post regulary on the faction forums, and the ones who don't post regulary there don't do it here either.

Then with double the posts here it might bring out some of the others to post. Plus it will help unify the factions rather than dividing them into sub-factions, being that the point of the game is faction unity and team-work... not sub-faction divisions.

I suppose you would find it ammazing then that those leading the effert for faction unity were the subfactions.

To manny have already gone so unless or untill this insanity is repealed you can find me at http://www.thetaverntable.com/index.php ... file=index
good by Seibertron

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:12 pm**

I rarely play HMW, due to the delay in getting V2 out. I really don't want to put the effort into getting my char somewhere when its gonna get reset anyway.

I can't be bothered with the faction forums since I have to song and dance to get to it.

The only reason I come to Seibertron these days is to watch for what toys are currently available or are coming. I don't use the new sightings forums as it is a bit inconveniant.

I am concerned as to how far this decree will go. Off site faction forums first? Then what?

I am not attempting to cause any trouble, but I just want to say my piece.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:19 pm**

Jar Axel wrote:good by Seibertron

Bye.

Seriously now, anyone leaving over this is pathetic... to say the least. These rules are just what HMW needs. They aren't harsh, they just make the drama go away. No drama = teh awesome.

RDD, AWC they were all fun and all, but they're not needed anymore. Subfactions are about friendship, competition, petty talk, little tournaments, having fun and all etc etc. There was a time they were needed (well maybe not needed, but they were useful... kinda), but HMW and it's players don't need them anymore. We have faction forums for it now and they work!

Besides, subfactions have been tested in the past and they failed. These rules are good rules. They may seem harsh but they are justified. It took guts to make them and I'm glad OS (and the rest of the staff) had those guts.

Now stop whining. Please?

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:22 pm**

Sharpwing wrote:
Jar Axel wrote:good by Seibertron

Bye.

Seriously now, anyone leaving over this is pathetic... to say the least. These rules are just what HMW needs. They aren't harsh, they just make the drama go away. No drama = teh awesome.

RDD, AWC they were all fun and all, but they're not needed anymore. Subfactions are about friendship, competition, petty talk, little tournaments, having fun and all etc etc. There was a time they were needed (well maybe not needed, but they were useful... kinda), but HMW and it's players don't need them anymore. We have faction forums for it now and they work!

Besides, subfactions have been tested in the past and they failed. These rules are good rules. They may seem harsh but they are justified. It took guts to make them and I'm glad OS (and the rest of the staff) had those guts.

Now stop whining. Please?

Amen! Stated better than I ever could.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:03 pm**

I just want to say that I'm proud of the Autobots, Maximals, and AWCers for taking this so well. As Autobots/Maximals, we put the betterment of our planet before the benefit of our faction or subfaction. I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in realizing this.

Stormwolf -

1) I can't comment on how that will work. As a mod, and not an admin, I won't have much if any involvment in enforcing the policy, AFAIK. I would recommend however that you not bother returning to the subfaction forums anyway though. I can't see there being much 'discussion' in those places, as you would be addressing a biased sample - and I also doubt that there is much point to discussing it. More pragmatically though, you guys need to use the time between now and v2 to turn the faction forums here into your new bases of operation. Otherwise, you'll be trying to organize at the same time as your flailing about the beginning of the new game. Strategically unwise.

2) Given that I knew this was coming, I already started the process in the Iacon Forum. I'd like to think it's going pretty well there, but maybe I'm just an optimist.

3) Indeed.

And to the Decepticons that are quitting - I can't say I'm shocked. Nor can I really blame you. I mean, it's a great excuse to spare yourselves the humiliation of being crushed by Autobot and Maximal forces in v2.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:08 pm**

Sharpwing wrote:
Jar Axel wrote:good by Seibertron

Bye.

Seriously now, anyone leaving over this is pathetic... to say the least. These rules are just what HMW needs. They aren't harsh, they just make the drama go away. No drama = teh awesome.

RDD, AWC they were all fun and all, but they're not needed anymore. Subfactions are about friendship, competition, petty talk, little tournaments, having fun and all etc etc. There was a time they were needed (well maybe not needed, but they were useful... kinda), but HMW and it's players don't need them anymore. We have faction forums for it now and they work!

They are an "and" things, not "or"
People are/were posting here, on the faction forums, and on the sub-fact forums. You can as well hack into MSN, and for peoples e-mails to see how they are gathering info from each other outside of HWM forums...

From how much does people count as a sub-faction? If two people are talking in a chat room about HMW, do they deserve to get a ban?

Besides, subfactions have been tested in the past and they failed. These rules are good rules. They may seem harsh but they are justified. It took guts to make them and I'm glad OS (and the rest of the staff) had those guts.

Now stop whining. Please?

The beautiful side of these posts are, that they are not from sub-faction members!!! ;;)

If, as you say,

fact 1: If, as the basis of everything, sub-faction members don't read/post on these forum, HOW TEH HELL ARE THEY GONNA READ THE ATTENTION AND THE WARNINGS???? :???:

I'm not whining, but if some people used to have fun, why are YOU whining?

Let's say some things that we had on RDD forum: A CATEGORIZED forum, not just some hellofalot topics thrown over each other, and a working forum, not this-I-forgot-in-one-second-what-wasn't-read version.

Arrgh... I felt the need to write this down. I don't intend to leave HMW right now, this place seemed to stabilize in the last month, and now this...

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:47 pm**

Is this meant to be a joke?

If V2 is meant to be more role-play orientated, how does this support that idea? By introducing the two new factions from BW, it's very hypocritical to then turn around and say we can't have further subfactions in which to plan things.

The main things that go on in the RDD is socialising! We have threads about things like occupations! The difference from doing it in the public forums here are that not everyone feels comfortable broadcasting such information to the entire internet.
This ban is so out of order. As someone already said, you can't very well stop all and any HMW related talk from happenning outside of seibertron.com, so why waste all this effort into bans that drive away players who have supported this game from the very beginning? Surely you should focus on completing V2 before saying what can't be done in it :-?

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:35 pm**

Ok, I think that the whole "off site factions lessen the traffic here" argument is bunk. I was a part of AWC for the bulk of my time playing the game. I went to Siebertron.com 2-6 times a day and would maybe go to the AWC site once a day. I realize that I am probably not a good sample ,but most of the guys I saw posting on AWC site posting alot over here too. So, I am pretty sure most of the people who don't ever post aren't in either AWC or the RDD.

Also guys what is the deal with quiting because your "clan" will not be allowed in a NEW GAME. V2 is not a continuation of V1 ,it is not even just a reboot, it is a brand new game and the new rules of the programmer and the owner of the site calls for not haveing clans. Get over it.

However, I agree with the basic concept of not talking about the Strategy of the game off site when V2 kicks on. IF there will be as many strategic elements as has been implied, IT WILL screw with the game if people continue with sharing info across faction lines (though I don't believe the AWC and RDD are doing that, it's mainly random friends talking on MSN ect). I have seen many games ,that could have been cool, fall apart because some of the players insist on telling everyone about everything going on.

Minor note: I don't remember anything being said about V2 having RPG elements. More Strategic/Tactical elements yes but that's not the same thing. And IS hurt by uncontrolled sharing of info.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:42 pm**

I couldn't care either way, but it seems to be way too much of a problem to enforce things that are not on the site. Enforcing it on the site yeah I agree to that completely with 4 factions in V2 thats enough division for people who post on the forum. Off the site talk about a free game can't be ban for. If they want to make subfactions off Seibs let them but as soon they bring those subfaction issues here then yes it a case that can be ban for.

Now if this was a paid for game like a MMORPG like WoW or CoH/V during a closed beta test where its illegal to discuss about it anywhere but where they say be an exception.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:44 pm**

OK, I'm curious about something here, because if I'm reading the statement correctly then sub-factions aren't banned per se. Instead they're being brough onboard and being made to do all their discussion on the forums here at Seibertron.com. Is that actually the case, (so the AWC, RDD, etc. could continue in some form) or are they being banned full stop?

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:55 pm**

kaijubot_uk wrote:OK, I'm curious about something here, because if I'm reading the statement correctly then sub-factions aren't banned per se. Instead they're being brough onboard and being made to do all their discussion on the forums here at Seibertron.com.

That's how I've read it, and until I'm told otherwise that's what I'm going to assume.

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:06 pm**

Caelus wrote:
kaijubot_uk wrote:OK, I'm curious about something here, because if I'm reading the statement correctly then sub-factions aren't banned per se. Instead they're being brough onboard and being made to do all their discussion on the forums here at Seibertron.com.

That's how I've read it, and until I'm told otherwise that's what I'm going to assume.

The owners of this game are only allowing our official 4 factions in V2.

Which means sub-factions cannot exist.

Is that being told otherwise enough, Caelus?

If forums and threads will be made to discuss strategies and whatnot, how does it make a difference to the game whether it happens on or off seibertron? This seems more like a page view drive than anything :MAD:

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:07 pm**

Daneki wrote:
Caelus wrote:
kaijubot_uk wrote:OK, I'm curious about something here, because if I'm reading the statement correctly then sub-factions aren't banned per se. Instead they're being brough onboard and being made to do all their discussion on the forums here at Seibertron.com.

That's how I've read it, and until I'm told otherwise that's what I'm going to assume.

The owners of this game are only allowing our official 4 factions in V2.

Which means sub-factions cannot exist.

Correct

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:09 pm**

Omega Sentinel wrote:
Daneki wrote:
Caelus wrote:
kaijubot_uk wrote:OK, I'm curious about something here, because if I'm reading the statement correctly then sub-factions aren't banned per se. Instead they're being brough onboard and being made to do all their discussion on the forums here at Seibertron.com.

That's how I've read it, and until I'm told otherwise that's what I'm going to assume.

The owners of this game are only allowing our official 4 factions in V2.

Which means sub-factions cannot exist.
Correct

And to finish the quote...

Daneki wrote:If forums and threads will be made to discuss strategies and whatnot, how does it make a difference to the game whether it happens on or off seibertron?

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:12 pm**

Here is a question then, what will you do about threads that are simply asking for help in a mission? You might be surprised that certain people may end up posting in the same thread asking for help over and over again. Would you consider that a subfaction then even if it doesn't have a name?

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:15 pm**

Omega Sentinel wrote:
Daneki wrote:
Caelus wrote:
kaijubot_uk wrote:OK, I'm curious about something here, because if I'm reading the statement correctly then sub-factions aren't banned per se. Instead they're being brough onboard and being made to do all their discussion on the forums here at Seibertron.com.

That's how I've read it, and until I'm told otherwise that's what I'm going to assume.

The owners of this game are only allowing our official 4 factions in V2.

Which means sub-factions cannot exist.
Correct

Well I'm normally a big supporter of OS, but this does suck. Not enough to drive me from the game, as I understand the majority of the reasoning (as presented to us), but banning all variations of subfactions seems a bit excessive.

Also, where would this leave groups like the MiO or ODB, who tag their teams as a sign of support for each other?

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:15 pm**

it'S bull your game os? well what good is your game with a lot of "helpers" and players not playing anymore? just as much as a pile of horse doo doo

Posted: **Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:16 pm**

kaijubot_uk wrote:
Omega Sentinel wrote:
Daneki wrote:
Caelus wrote:
kaijubot_uk wrote:OK, I'm curious about something here, because if I'm reading the statement correctly then sub-factions aren't banned per se. Instead they're being brough onboard and being made to do all their discussion on the forums here at Seibertron.com.

That's how I've read it, and until I'm told otherwise that's what I'm going to assume.

The owners of this game are only allowing our official 4 factions in V2.

Which means sub-factions cannot exist.
Correct

Well I'm normally a big supporter of OS, but this does suck. Not enough to drive me from the game, as I understand the majority of the reasoning (as presented to us), but banning all variations of subfactions seems a bit excessive.

Also, where would this leave groups like the MiO or ODB, who tag their teams as a sign of support for each other?

banned what else

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