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Go on about the weapon and the SQL server...
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:05 amby Prowl240z
Why cant we delete some of the higher requirement weapons? I mean will there ever been 500 bots that need to use the Megaton battle sword? or the Gatlinguns? I doubt it, and i see alot of weapons with 600 or more... cant we delete those to get more to the lowbies? i mean.... just a thought
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:25 amby Archanubis
I don't know how that would help. Even if you deleted or even reduced the number of those weapons and added the "high demand" weapons, players would just go a-hording again. And of course, there are players who do aspire to those higher-requirement weapons.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:17 pmby Mkall
I do not believe that's how weapons are stored on the server. I believe that each weapon looks something like this in the server
TABLE Weapons
WeapName VarChar(30)
WeapAmount Int
WeapMinDamage Int
WeapMaxDamage Int
and so on...
The problem is not the total amount of weapons in circulation, as storing 1,000,000 weapons would probably take up about the same amount of space as 1,500,000 weapons. It's all about demand.
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:20 pmby Tammuz
Gatling Guns are superior in pure damage and recharge to blades, if you can afford 10 fp and 3 skill, which isn't to much at higher levels.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:26 amby Elcor
I've suggested the same a while ago, and was shouted at by the oldtimers. There's a conspiracy about weapon stocks, I tell you
And when one asks when the weapon system's gonna be rebalanced he gets the sacred answer "Not before V2!"
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:57 amby Burn
Elcor wrote:I've suggested the same a while ago, and was shouted at by the oldtimers.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:03 amby Redimus
Why must every idea end up with a load of relativly new players going, "it'll never happen and you'll only get shout at by the 'old timers'"...?
I dunno if I count as an old timer these days (does nearly 2 years count?), but here's my view;
As it happens I kinda think this is a reasonably good idea, as the demand isnt large enough for the higher up weapons to have as many as they do.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:17 amby Burn
Redimus wrote:Why must every idea end up with a load of relativly new players going, "it'll never happen and you'll only get shout at by the 'old timers'"...?
Because people don't like being proven wrong by others who obviously have more knowledge of things.
That or people are becoming far too sensitive these days.I dunno if I count as an old timer these days (does nearly 2 years count?)
We'll convene a meeting of the Grand Council of Elders Who Know All and Look Down Upon All (you know, THAT council that has it's own forum where we all gather to mock the n00bs and devise ways to humiliate them) to consider your membership.
Approved or rejected, you may want to buy a ball protector.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:18 amby Tammuz
right so here's the logic;
get rid of the gatling guns and the rest of the weapons that are better than the blades and increase the number of blades
which force higher ups to use blades instead of gatling guns etc, and
deny the option to change from the blades to the superior weapons to those midling joining the higher ups
which will magically decrease the demand for blades...or something. until they sell out a day later like they did on the last time they where restocked.
and Elcor, if you don't like that "sacred answer", talk to the Glyph.
EDIT: am i an old timer too?
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:20 amby Redimus
Burn wrote:I dunno if I count as an old timer these days (does nearly 2 years count?)
We'll convene a meeting of the Grand Council of Elders Who Know All and Look Down Upon All (you know, THAT council that has it's own forum where we all gather to mock the n00bs and devise ways to humiliate them) to consider your membership.
Approved or rejected, you may want to buy a ball protector.
One set of titainium soundwave brand ball protectors (aka the megadaiper deluxe) coming up!Tammuz wrote:right so here's the logic;
get rid of the gatling guns and the rest of the weapons that are better than the blades and increase the number of blades
which force higher ups to use blades instead of gatling guns etc, and
deny the option to change from the blades to the superior weapons to those midling joining the higher ups
The way I understand it, he ment reduce, not get rid of completly. Do we really need 500 of em? I doubt it.Tammuz wrote:EDIT: am i an old timer too?
Bloody acient!
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:26 amby Burn
Tammuz wrote:EDIT: am i an old timer too?
Have you been kicked in the nuts by Snapcase and/or me?
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:26 amby Tammuz
here's a free bit of advice, there's about a 5% difference in damage between the blades@0str and an energon crossbow at 1 strength, the 1str EXB requires 20Kxp, the 0str Blades require 19K, the EXB is only 2k more in energon.
EDIT: repeatedly.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:26 amby Daneki
Way I see it, ownership of BB's is a pat on the back for the commanders who have been around long enough to get them first/smart enough to snap them up while they were in stock. I mean, there's equality to newer people to consider, but what about loyalty to the older players?
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:31 amby Burn
As an older player I want the newer player to have as many chances as I did. *pops out the false teeth* Though back in my day we didn't have things like Battle Blades! We had things call Photon Eliminator Rifles which punched about 40% off in one blast and only ever connected once a mission! And if you couldn't afford them the semi-automatic rifles were the way to go! Along with Twin Swords! Twin Swords were great until Alpha Strike came up with the brilliant idea to screw with them which gave us the BB problem! It ain't the fault of you meddling kids! It's Alpha Strike's fault! BOOOOOO!
ahem. Anyway. I'd like to see a weapon restock but not in a way that bogs down the server.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:35 amby Redimus
Burn wrote:ahem. Anyway. I'd like to see a weapon restock but not in a way that bogs down the server.
If we had the same total number of weapons, just reorginised, so there are less of the ones that arnt popular, and more of the ones that are, would that make much difference to the overall server load?
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:37 amby Daneki
I was actually around in the Photon Eliminator Rifle days... nothing past firepower 5.... *reminisce*
I just stopped playing for a year or two, that's why I'm not at your kind of level, Burn
As selfish as it sounds, I just don't want to suddenly see every single player using BB's as their main configuration, jsut because it's one of the best weapons. There won't be any variety and playing will become pretty boring IMO.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:37 amby Burn
Probably not, but the problem I see with that is time.
Glyph can either spend that time fixing and balancing the weapons and rolling out the new system, or he can prop up an ailing one.
Or the support staff thing can get rolling so someone else can do it.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:40 amby Phaze
Burn wrote:Probably not, but the problem I see with that is time.
Glyph can either spend that time fixing and balancing the weapons and rolling out the new system, or he can prop up an ailing one.
Or the support staff thing can get rolling so someone else can do it.
Can we clone glyph
But seriously let's get the new stuff working and make do with what we got.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:50 amby Elcor
We need ball protectors as ultra-armour, available to Rnk 10 only!
Seriously - I still think that a short rebalance "on the spot" would stir a mire of current weapon system, and it'd be for good. It can be changes in the number of weapons, or changes in weapon stats, or even publishing the exact damage numbers with which one can deduce the best weapon for himself...
Anything might be better than the current weapon deficite system.
(Mind it, I know what I'm talking about - I was born in a country where a deficite was the everpresent rather then the exception).
But I won't be talking to Glyph about it, because I hadn't seen a number of votes in favour of any such an idea. That's all.
And
Tammuz, if you wanna some mathematics - try this:
There's some 13.000 characters at the HMW at all now. And the total number of weapons in database now clearly exceeds 50.000.
(It's easy to calculate if we assume that in the beginning there was 600 of each and every weapon - and, considering that the numbers of least used weapons exceeds 600, one can safely say that.)And in times of reset the weapons which were sold out were restocked several times, bringing the total weapon number more accurately to 60.000 units or even more. But that's irrelevant.What matters is that even if there'd be 13.000 Battle Blades - one for each and every character - there'd still be enough room for Gatling Guns!!!
So, please - don't say that it'd mean taking something from you in order to give everyone a set of Battle Blades. What it means is only denying BB- and Dol-wielders their weapon supremacy, and nothing more. And I agree that'd stir them into making more efficient configs, which is good.
And yes, I'm a communist by nature.
)))))
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:59 amby Prowl240z
Elcor wrote:We need ball protectors as ultra-armour, available to Rnk 10 only!
Seriously - I still think that a short rebalance "on the spot" would stir a mire of current weapon system, and it'd be for good. It can be changes in the number of weapons, or changes in weapon stats, or even publishing the exact damage numbers with which one can deduce the best weapon for himself...
Anything might be better than the current weapon deficite system.
(Mind it, I know what I'm talking about - I was born in a country where a deficite was the everpresent rather then the exception).
But I won't be talking to Glyph about it, because I hadn't seen a number of votes in favour of any such an idea. That's all.
And
Tammuz, if you wanna some mathematics - try this:
There's some 13.000 characters at the HMW at all now. And the total number of weapons in database now clearly exceeds 50.000.
(It's easy to calculate if we assume that in the beginning there was 600 of each and every weapon - and, considering that the numbers of least used weapons exceeds 600, one can safely say that.)And in times of reset the weapons which were sold out were restocked several times, bringing the total weapon number more accurately to 60.000 units or even more. But that's irrelevant.What matters is that even if there'd be 13.000 Battle Blades - one for each and every character - there'd still be enough room for Gatling Guns!!!
So, please - don't say that it'd mean taking something from you in order to give everyone a set of Battle Blades. What it means is only denying BB- and Dol-wielders their weapon supremacy, and nothing more. And I agree that'd stir them into making more efficient configs, which is good.
And yes, I'm a communist by nature.
)))))
Exactly do we really need 500 gatlingguns? no? we need at most 100...
I'd also make sense if higher leveled weapons where less common... i mean why would a company make 500 megaton battle sword and 500 swords knowing less then 10% can use the megaton battle sword, and everyone can use the Sword......... just my 2 cents.
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:38 amby Whisper
Prowl240z wrote:I'd also make sense if higher leveled weapons actually worked...
Fixed.
The Gatling Gun is probably the only 'high powered' weapon that actually does what it's supposed to. Pretty much everything else is a total waste of time...
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:16 amby Shadowblade_DW
I think this is all part of the big picture that leads to V2. It is easier and less time consuming to fix the problem in v2 than to tweak with the current system and delay the new game.
Edit: I am firm beleiver you choose a weapon type when you create the mech. Then use energon and exp to upgrade the weapon with in limits of char stats (a 2 FP can only do so much compaired to a 10)
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:04 pmby y2si
am i considered old! 2 and a half yrs in and out!
but i dunno, you can argue both ways, that HMW is meant to be semi-realistic, if someone is sold out of a particular weapon, it doesnt magically reapprear with 600 when ppl shout out that theyre needed!
then again, i was lucky enough to join at a stage where bbs, dols and well everything was plentiful,back when the enrgon crossbow destroyed all! i always viewed weapons as an aid to the overall bot, not the maker of one. maybe its a small view, but a good and lucky bot will always beat a terribly configured bot with a good weapon. lord knows iv learned that the extremely hard way!
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:31 pmby Prowl240z
y2si wrote:am i considered old! 2 and a half yrs in and out!
but i dunno, you can argue both ways, that HMW is meant to be semi-realistic, if someone is sold out of a particular weapon, it doesnt magically reapprear with 600 when ppl shout out that theyre needed!
then again, i was lucky enough to join at a stage where bbs, dols and well everything was plentiful,back when the enrgon crossbow destroyed all! i always viewed weapons as an aid to the overall bot, not the maker of one. maybe its a small view, but a good and lucky bot will always beat a terribly configured bot with a good weapon. lord knows iv learned that the extremely hard way!
This is true, and I've taken my DOL bots and made them into H2h bots and am haivng A alot more wins with that... but still I like BBs they fit me and my bots well... other then getting weapons i don't see why one needs Skill or FRP :p
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:39 pmby Tammuz
Elcor, why are gatlings guns mentioned as being got rid of in the first post? and there have 13000 activated bots in the last 3 months, prievious to the fading out of inactive accounts the number was circa 40,000(when i started i ranked around 39,000 and we don't kill inactive accounts here).
my point is why get rid of stocks of a decent weapon when you can rid of crap weapons if we need to get rid of some weapons (which i think was P240z point)so everyone has battle blades, then get rid of every 0stat weapon except the x-ray laser, every pure skill weapon, the UWSTAC(dear god, the UWSTAC), anything with less than a moderate to heavy damage range
i totally agree with Y2si, the weapon shouldn't make a bot, but this incredible hard to do with blades being available from level one(Blame alpha strike, again).
my view on weapons basically - get rid of quantities, it's a useless atavism, that's cuasing more trouble than it's worth. in V2 i'd like the available weapons to based on location; cons hold position X, they can Weapons A or B(which takes time), they lose position X they can't make weapons A or B. and if you reset a bot it loses it's weapon
and the energon crossbow does destroy all except for the blades, which it can go toe-toe in with a similiar setup, (i just don't get why this weapon is not sold out)