The Energon Pub

This is more or less a feedback, Wish list and a possible discussion thread.

This is not a 3rd party movie-verse TF add ons accessories thread.

Seems like the 3rd party market might somewhat be there but it might be a niche market like the 3rd party TFA market is.

Some have commented elsewhere. That those doing most of the 3rd party TF toys are creating stuff they want. Which seems to be heavily G-1.

Problems I see are that the TF Fandom is still so divided on the movie verse. 3rd parties might deem it too risky.

Any of you guys got any ideas of 3rd party TF movie verse full figures toys you think would sell great with buyers.

Think there is somewhat of a market but it's has to be full figures Hastak has done in the wrong sizes or not done properly. Perhaps maybe even doing some cancelled HasTak ideas.

Think doing the Most relevant AOE full figures first would rake in higher profits.

AOE Human Alliance Voyager or Leader scaled Lockdown robot toy that transforms in to that Licensed sports car. This I feel makes sense as Lockdown's robot mode was taller than AOE CGI Movie Optimus Robot mode. A voyager or leader lockdown toy would have a robot in scale with AOE evasive or Leader Optimus. HasTak created all those sports cars Leader and ultimate scaled Bumblebee toys, So why not a 3rd party Lockdown.

Thinking their might be a strong market for a 3rd party Leader scaled Evasive mode Optimus toy. As the Voyager HasTak toy might seem too puny, Skinny, Under sculpted and short for fans.

AOE 3rd party Voyager sized toys for Strafe-Swoop, Slug-Slag and Snarl. So they can match the Voyager scale of AOE Grimlock & Slog. Think the price needs to be low and around $70 for each voyager to ensure more sales.

Don't think the 3rd party market is strong for any other AOE movie toys. Sure I'd love to see a Deluxe or Voyager Steeljaw and a Leader scaled Megatron toy but at 3rd party prices most won't buy them.

As far as DOTM goes, Ebay is chuck full of Leader scaled Megatron custom toys. So it might be worth it to create a 3rd leader toy for fans as they might buy it in okay numbers.

With the ROTF 3rd party full figures toy market. Think the figure fans want to see done right is Jetfire. Think a 3rd party Jetfire that was leader scaled, Transformed from robot into jet, Then broke apart in seperate armor pieces for Leader toy Optimus to wear. Would make fans happy enough to buy this toy in sell out numbers.

Love to buy a 3rd party HasTak ROTF cancelled TF CGI Movie Leader toy for Tidalwave. http://www.digitalmonkeybox.com/ArcrftCrrrTrnsfrmr.jpg
There is just something about a real world styled Aircraft carrier Transforming into a huge robot toy that screams epic awesome. Think the market might be there. Sure i'd want a Supreme scaled toy but not at 3rd party $350+ prices. Think most in okay number will buy at the 3rd party Leader scale for under $140

With the 2007 TF movie toys. Think fans have wanted a Leader scaled toy for Blackout for ages. Giving fans what they want might just equal sell out sales from buyers. Later on they could do a 1985 Combaticons Vortex toy using a different head, colors and weapons using this mold.

Is there a market for 100% full-figure movie toys?

... I guess so. But I don't know if there's enough of a market to really justify it's existence. Once the kids who grew up with the movies get some purchasing power I think this'll change, but for now the movieverse is pretty covered, I think.

A big part of collecting is the cost. And what we have is pretty good quality-to-price. And Blackout ... the trailers hyped him up a LOT, didn't they? He doesn't actually DO much in the first move, other than making a strong first impression and then die. Is there a market for a $200 or $300 figure of the guy? I get people want him, but do they want him to the tune of $300?

Maybe the one exception I can really see is Devestator. He was NOT done justice in toy form by ANY stretch. As he splits into several smaller robots, like other 3rd party combiners, I can see this being more of a thing. Of course he didn't even make your offhand list and if that's the case how memorable was Devestator really? But, maybe, more for when the current generation grows up.

I read your posts hoping you would call fof some movie voids that were never filled like deluxe versions of the other 2 dreads, the 2 constructicons that never got a non legends class figure, deluxe stinger, the two headed Shockwave, the garbage truck combiner team, screen accurate voyager versions of the other dinobots, or KOs of the rare canceled figures such as leadfoot, soundwave, and que.

Other than you calling for a steeljaw figure, all I read is more endless banter about "leader class this" or "supreme class that". You dont care about filling movie voids the fandom has called for. You just want huge figures of characters you deem important. We have heard this from you countless times before. I guess you are still stuck inside the washing machine in an endless cycle bouncing around. In your own words, "wash, rinse, repeat".

Rated X wrote:Words and stuff

Tell us again which line it was you collect again?

I suppose a decent amount of people would want some movie 3rd party stuff...It would have to be pretty epic to get my dollar. I don't much care for the look of most of the designs even if they were identically reproduced.

Rated X wrote:I read your posts hoping you would call fof some movie voids that were never filled like deluxe versions of the other 2 dreads, the 2 constructicons that never got a non legends class figure, deluxe stinger, the two headed Shockwave, the garbage truck combiner team, screen accurate voyager versions of the other dinobots, or KOs of the rare canceled figures such as leadfoot, soundwave, and que.

Other than you calling for a steeljaw figure, all I read is more endless banter about "leader class this" or "supreme class that". You dont care about filling movie voids the fandom has called for. You just want huge figures of characters you deem important. We have heard this from you countless times before. I guess you are still stuck inside the washing machine in an endless cycle bouncing around. In your own words, "wash, rinse, repeat".

You are clear to create your own wish list. Those were the rules of this thread.

No, I am not going to adjust my own wish list to please you or cater to you. Your not the center of the universe or fandom. Other fans have wish list also. Seems like when Hastak or 3rd parties are not catering to your whims-wish list. This is when you lose control, go nuts, bezerk and go on a endless rampage of ruining threads with your childish imature behavior. where you beg, demand and whine Twenty plus times in replies in each thread in every thread. That you want everything your way or else. With very little compassion to other fans desires and wish list.

Bringing up old scores, insults and arguments from other threads in a newer thread. Is another fine example of you trying to start more trouble and ruin newer threads.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Is there a market for 100% full-figure movie toys?

... I guess so. But I don't know if there's enough of a market to really justify it's existence. Once the kids who grew up with the movies get some purchasing power I think this'll change, but for now the movieverse is pretty covered, I think.

A big part of collecting is the cost. And what we have is pretty good quality-to-price. And Blackout ... the trailers hyped him up a LOT, didn't they? He doesn't actually DO much in the first move, other than making a strong first impression and then die. Is there a market for a $200 or $300 figure of the guy? I get people want him, but do they want him to the tune of $300?

Maybe the one exception I can really see is Devestator. He was NOT done justice in toy form by ANY stretch. As he splits into several smaller robots, like other 3rd party combiners, I can see this being more of a thing. Of course he didn't even make your offhand list and if that's the case how memorable was Devestator really? But, maybe, more for when the current generation grows up.

That is a good point about the younger generation being a future market. Maybe they will be more nostalgia driven to spend big money. If it wasn't for that I cant say I would be so easily separated from my cash for the current 3rd P stuff

GiveMeSkyfire wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Is there a market for 100% full-figure movie toys?

... I guess so. But I don't know if there's enough of a market to really justify it's existence. Once the kids who grew up with the movies get some purchasing power I think this'll change, but for now the movieverse is pretty covered, I think.

A big part of collecting is the cost. And what we have is pretty good quality-to-price. And Blackout ... the trailers hyped him up a LOT, didn't they? He doesn't actually DO much in the first move, other than making a strong first impression and then die. Is there a market for a $200 or $300 figure of the guy? I get people want him, but do they want him to the tune of $300?

Maybe the one exception I can really see is Devestator. He was NOT done justice in toy form by ANY stretch. As he splits into several smaller robots, like other 3rd party combiners, I can see this being more of a thing. Of course he didn't even make your offhand list and if that's the case how memorable was Devestator really? But, maybe, more for when the current generation grows up.

That is a good point about the younger generation being a future market. Maybe they will be more nostalgia driven to spend big money. If it wasn't for that I cant say I would be so easily separated from my cash for the current 3rd P stuff

To debunk this, None of the Beast Wars kids from Two decades ago are here in large enough numbers to warrant high sales for 3rd party beast wars toys.

waiting Two to three decades to create 3rd party movie toys, think is a big mistake. It's just a niche line, It doesn't have the populaity G-1 will always have.

Think the best time to release 3rd party movie TF toys is when the movies are still in theatres.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

GiveMeSkyfire wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Is there a market for 100% full-figure movie toys?

... I guess so. But I don't know if there's enough of a market to really justify it's existence. Once the kids who grew up with the movies get some purchasing power I think this'll change, but for now the movieverse is pretty covered, I think.

A big part of collecting is the cost. And what we have is pretty good quality-to-price. And Blackout ... the trailers hyped him up a LOT, didn't they? He doesn't actually DO much in the first move, other than making a strong first impression and then die. Is there a market for a $200 or $300 figure of the guy? I get people want him, but do they want him to the tune of $300?

Maybe the one exception I can really see is Devestator. He was NOT done justice in toy form by ANY stretch. As he splits into several smaller robots, like other 3rd party combiners, I can see this being more of a thing. Of course he didn't even make your offhand list and if that's the case how memorable was Devestator really? But, maybe, more for when the current generation grows up.

That is a good point about the younger generation being a future market. Maybe they will be more nostalgia driven to spend big money. If it wasn't for that I cant say I would be so easily separated from my cash for the current 3rd P stuff

To debunk this, None of the Beast Wars kids from Two decades ago are here in large enough numbers to warrant high sales for 3rd party beast wars toys.

waiting Two to three decades to create 3rd party movie toys, think is a big mistake. It's just a niche line, It doesn't have the populaity G-1 will always have.

Think the best time to release 3rd party movie TF toys is when the movies are still in theatres.

Well, if you think the movies are about as big as Beast Wars with adults then they obviously don't have the fanbase to support a 3rd party market.

Although, Beast Wars ... they're very different. They're supposed to be realistic animals and that has to be part of the challenge.

But maybe Beast Wars' time hasn't come yet. We've JUST gotten out of Season 1-2 and moved into Headmasters in a big way. Maybe it'll take another decade for us to see the first Beast Wars product. Hasbro's getting there, though, slowly but steadily.

Still, if you're refuting my point by saying the movies are as niche as Beast Wars, then I think you've just refuted yourself.

Dino from RotF. If someone did a proper Dino, it would sell like hotcakes and I would certainly buy one.

Voyager Hatchet - Leader Blackout - The last Voyager Constructicons .

GiveMeSkyfire wrote:

Rated X wrote:Words and stuff

Tell us again which line it was you collect again?

I own the entire 2007 movie and ROTF cast. I started to collect DOTM but stopped because Target deluxe Leadfoot was cancelled. By that time, the 3rd party boom was in full effect and I chose to focus my funds on classic related figures. I did buy the AOE Dinobots, Evasion mode Prime, and the Target 2 pack with Silver Knight Prime.

Maybe it's time you just get off my **** and move on. T-Man doesnt need a mouthpiece. He has proven to be more than willing to speak his mind, even if he sometimes puts his foot in his mouth.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:I read your posts hoping you would call fof some movie voids that were never filled like deluxe versions of the other 2 dreads, the 2 constructicons that never got a non legends class figure, deluxe stinger, the two headed Shockwave, the garbage truck combiner team, screen accurate voyager versions of the other dinobots, or KOs of the rare canceled figures such as leadfoot, soundwave, and que.

Other than you calling for a steeljaw figure, all I read is more endless banter about "leader class this" or "supreme class that". You dont care about filling movie voids the fandom has called for. You just want huge figures of characters you deem important. We have heard this from you countless times before. I guess you are still stuck inside the washing machine in an endless cycle bouncing around. In your own words, "wash, rinse, repeat".

You are clear to create your own wish list. Those were the rules of this thread.

No, I am not going to adjust my own wish list to please you or cater to you. Your not the center of the universe or fandom. Other fans have wish list also. Seems like when Hastak or 3rd parties are not catering to your whims-wish list. This is when you lose control, go nuts, bezerk and go on a endless rampage of ruining threads with your childish imature behavior. where you beg, demand and whine Twenty plus times in replies in each thread in every thread. That you want everything your way or else. With very little compassion to other fans desires and wish list.

Bringing up old scores, insults and arguments from other threads in a newer thread. Is another fine example of you trying to start more trouble and ruin newer threads.

You asked a simple question:

Is their a market for 3rd party Micheal Bay movie-verse TF full figure toys?

Im merely trying to tell you where the best chance for a market lies. The biggest complaint about the movie line from adult collectors (not kids) is voids that needed to be filled. Look how the first run of Dispensor sold out. Look how people are calling for a Stinger figure that isnt a "one step changer". How about a proper Dino instead of a Sideways repaint ? They could have done a "not" Ferrari the same way they did a "not" Lamborghini (classics SS) before they had the MP contract. People want the characters Hasbro either wont give them or give them an insulting kiddie toy. They dont want multiples of characters Hasbro already made for those dreaded "3rd party prices" youre always talking about. I dont believe adult collectors want bigger Primes and bigger Megatrons. But dont take my word for it. Why dont you ask them ? Im sure they will be honest...

Years from now? Maybe a proportional Optimus Prime movie version............

GiveMeSkyfire wrote:Tell us again which line it was you collect again?

Rated X wrote:Maybe it's time you just get off my **** and move on. T-Man doesnt need a mouthpiece. He has proven to be more than willing to speak his mind, even if he sometimes puts his foot in his mouth.

He asked you a simple, Nice question. He doesn't deserve the response here that you gave him.

He was curious what Other TF toy lines you collect and he asked you in a nice question. If you didn't want to answer him, You could have just ignored him.

You are trying your best to create trouble, have fights and ruin this thread. Nobody is playing your game in this thread, So now you up the ante with more mean words unjustly attacking,Getmeskyfire. in hopes he sees your mean spirted words towards him and gives you the fighting argument in this thread that you seek.

No, it was a dig. But lets let it go..hardly worth it.

As far as beast wars not being big as g1 based 3rd party stuff, I think that the generation that was really into them is just now coming into the demographic that should have more expendible income to splurge on big ticket items. I would think that the next 10 years we will start seeing an unptick in those products.

Rated X wrote: You asked a simple question: Is their a market for 3rd party Micheal Bay movie-verse TF full figure toys?

If I asked a nice simple question. Then why did you feel the need to give me that mean spirted reply below.

Rated X wrote:Other than you calling for a steeljaw figure, all I read is more endless banter about "leader class this" or "supreme class that". You dont care about filling movie voids the fandom has called for. You just want huge figures of characters you deem important. We have heard this from you countless times before. I guess you are still stuck inside the washing machine in an endless cycle bouncing around. In your own words, "wash, rinse, repeat".

Why? Because your sole intent was to start trouble, cause fighting arguments & ruin this thread.

Members were asked nicely per the rules of this thread. To provide feedback, give their wish list and possibly discuss things.

What you did above in your reply was viciously Attack and mock my wish list in a trouble making, seeding, insulting manner. then you added in a few attacking insults which had nothing to do with this thread.

This is the tenth thread you have ruined this week. With your trouble making, seeding, Insulting, Provoking fighting ways. It appears you try your hardest to prevent members here from discussing the topics in a calm, on topic, respecful,nice manner.

@ tsutsu

Just ignore and post away.As we ALL have made mistakes from time to time, be open to positive criticism but if the discussion is getting nowhere just ignore.You can tell whther the post is constructive or not.

I did also constructively critic your previous posts but you did learn that most of us were only doing it a constructive fellow collectors.

Maybe, need a little count off 1-70 and just let "X" post away and just leave it at that.

Back to the topic, I feel it's still G1 which will get the 3rd party love (well I'm biased against most of the Bayformers designs). Tomy's poseable but non transforming kit comes to mind as a great "transforming' project.

In fairness, the title asks a question of the board. It's "is there a market" not "what's your movie wish list". Can't really get mad at people for answering the question.

Also ... if you can't stand X to the point of yelling at him, it's probably time to update your ignore list.

To make this post more on topic ... I MIGHT buy another deluxe barricade. Purely for the vehicle mode. So my list would be Devestator and Barricade. With a maybe on both.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

GiveMeSkyfire wrote:Tell us again which line it was you collect again?

Rated X wrote:Maybe it's time you just get off my **** and move on. T-Man doesnt need a mouthpiece. He has proven to be more than willing to speak his mind, even if he sometimes puts his foot in his mouth.

He asked you a simple, Nice question. He doesn't deserve the response here that you gave him.

He was curious what Other TF toy lines you collect and he asked you in a nice question. If you didn't want to answer him, You could have just ignored him.

You are trying your best to create trouble, have fights and ruin this thread. Nobody is playing your game in this thread, So now you up the ante with more mean words unjustly attacking,Getmeskyfire. in hopes he sees your mean spirted words towards him and gives you the fighting argument in this thread that you seek.

In case you haven't noticed, the guys been stalking me all week. He even custom made his own "Rated X" sig based on his assumptions of what I might look like. After I nicely answered his question about what I also collect, I reminded him it's time for him to get off my **** and move on. He has social issues, he must not get a lot of attention in real life.

Instead of worrying about my response to him, why don't you take some time to consider my last response to you. Do you really believe the fans want more oversized Primes and Megatrons at so called "3rd party prices" ? Or do you think maybe they would prefer movieverse characters that Hasbro forgot or only did crappy legends versions ? Don't just think about what you or I want. Try to get a consensus on a large scale and see what you discover. If you can find 20 or more people that want a more expensive movieverse leader class (or bigger) Megatron, then you might be on to something. But if you keep getting comment after comment calling for obscure movieverse characters then it's safe to say you're in a very small minority group.

Yeah, I'd probably just get a movie accurate Dino/Blackout/AOEPrime/Stinger/DOTMegs, and that's it.

Sure there's a market for these, but I don't really think it's a big one that'll help support the production costs compared to doing the usual 3P stuffs.

GiveMeSkyfire wrote: As far as beast wars not being big as g1 based 3rd party stuff, I think that the generation that was really into them is just now coming into the demographic that should have more expendible income to splurge on big ticket items. I would think that the next 10 years we will start seeing an unptick in those products.

TFW members speculated why where not getting 3rd party BW toys. It's due to those creating the toys wanting to fulfill their G-1 wish list. I Agree with them.

Think, Theirs a 3rd party market right now for MP BW 3rd party Voyager toys. Think a BW MP 3rd party Tigatron would sell well. Then later on repainting and retooling the sculpt into Shadow panther, Ravage and Cheetor.

Don't think it would be wise for 3rd parties to do BW toys in the same scale as the HasTak BW ones. Think they've got to go a scale or Two bigger to get 3rd party buyers to buy.

Think it pointless doing BW deluxe scale 3rd party toy. As HasTak has the updates market covered, doing all those Classics-Generations deluxe toys.

KFC Cyclonus is a example of some fans not wanting to buy the toy. Due it being in the same scale as the HasTak 2.0 Cyclonus toy.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't think it would be wise for 3rd parties to do BW toys in the same scale as the HasTak BW ones. Think they've got to go a scale or Two bigger to get 3rd party buyers to buy.

Why ? Why the obsession with huge figures ? (it's not an insult like your OCD comments, it's an honest question about your unusual scale preferences)

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think it pointless doing BW deluxe scale 3rd party toy. As HasTak has the updates market covered, doing all those Classics-Generations deluxe toys.

If Hasbro had all beast wars deluxe updates covered, do you think they would have let TFCC do Rampage, Depthcharge, and Tarantulas from non-beast molds. Obviously, proper beast versions are not in the works anytime soon. >:oP

Tsutsukakushi wrote:KFC Cyclonus is a example of some fans not wanting to buy the toy. Due it being in the same scale as the HasTak 2.0 Cyclonus toy.

Or maybe they just don't need a character Hasbro already got right, including scale.

Which scale is "getting it right" again? Why is he wrong for liking bigger and ocd as you say...but you like smaller with the same vigor and that's fine and healthy. That's what boggles my mind with you, you are his mirror image with scale issues but just can't let the man have his preference...

I wouldn't say its custom made, I just googled a "particular personality" and cut and pasted the first one. Not as much work as your sig, but an honest effort...Speaking of which, is the bottle in Skyfires ass or is he drinking it? I prefer Canadian beer over the hood juice. And what's the alien reference? Lots going on there.... Kinda confusing.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't think it would be wise for 3rd parties to do BW toys in the same scale as the HasTak BW ones. Think they've got to go a scale or Two bigger to get 3rd party buyers to buy.

Rated X wrote:Why ? Why the obsession with huge figures ? it's an honest question about your unusual scale preferences)

It's not unusual. Different fans like different toy scales simple as that.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think it pointless doing BW deluxe scale 3rd party toy. As HasTak has the updates market covered, doing all those Classics-Generations deluxe toys.

Rated X wrote:If Hasbro had all beast wars deluxe updates covered, do you think they would have let TFCC do Rampage, Depthcharge, and Tarantulas from non-beast molds. Obviously, proper beast versions are not in the works anytime soon.

HasTak has newer sculpts planned for Generations for 2015 thru 2017. Since the 5th TF movie is in 2017. It's hard to believe we won't be getting any BW Deluxe updates. Especially since 2016 is the 20th BW anniversary.

Debunked, HasTak has already released plenty of updates of characters toys that TFCC have done.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:KFC Cyclonus is a example of some fans not wanting to buy the toy. Due it being in the same scale as the HasTak 2.0 Cyclonus toy.

Rated X wrote:Or maybe they just don't need a character Hasbro already got right, including scale.

Describe got right. Maybe according to you and some others. But not to everyone.

Those who like and Buy HasTak MP TF toys. Would be interested in a MP Cyclonus that was Either MP seeker robot height or leader scale.

Some others and myself always thought Classics 2.0 Cyclonus needed to be Voyager or 2.0 Ultra scale.

Some others and myself desire a 3rd party classics themed Cyclonus toy that is at least in scale with Mania Kings robot mode or a pinch bit taller.