AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The one thing in comics (and media in general)I really hate is retcon. Transformers is different with every iteration. Homage can be nice, but retcon is always the step too far. Especially when it creates a contradiction.
Well, Waspinator having been named "Wasp" on Cybertron doesn't really contradict anything, since the subject of his previous name never came up.
In fact, in regards to the Beast Wars: Uprising version of the guy, not only was his name "Wasp" before he acquired his Beast Mode, but so too was it his name even after he underwent the Beast Upgrade, only changing his name to "Waspintor" after he underwent a further, more horrific surgical upgrade that turned him into an unholy Predacon-Vehicon hybrid, with his new cyborg body being a repurpose of the Thrustinator toy using the "Waspinator" name.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The worst offender being Sparks. The Autobots and Decepticons now always had them, which they didn't. For example, Ultra Magnus being "rebuilt" in The Movie, clearly shows they didn't have them.
You don't have to think of the Transformers of the G1 cartoon as having had Sparks since Beast Wars isn't specifically set in that same continuity (except for in the Japanese version, but which is okay since Japanese Transformers fiction had already referred to Transformers as having souls or hearts, so the Spark concept would apply to that).
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Likewise the hollow attempts to shoehorn Car Robots and Animated into G1, for no reason.
1) That never happened with Animated.
2) I take it you've never watched Car Robots. Not the English RiD dub, the original Car Robots version. I have, and there are a number of small but present continuity nods and notes that alluded to both JG1 and JBW. Car Robots was no more ambiguous in its continuity placement as Beast Wars Second was, since the latter (outside of its continuity-questionable movie) never once acknowledges that it's in the same universe as any other series, with the use of the
and
symbols and the use of beast modes being the only real clues.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:1st Era: Sunbow - Zone
2nd Era: Beast Wars - Beast Machines (including Second and Neo)
You forgot Generation 2.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Bayformers 1-5
4th Era: Prime - RiD
5th Era: Rescue Bots
Where's Animated?
And as said before, Rescue Bots is part of Prime and RID 2015, having had crossovers and such.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:6th Era: Whatever the new Machinima series is called.
Prime Wars Trilogy
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:What is the problem with keeping them separate? What is actually gained by needlessly integrating them?
The only things that are together in Japan are all the G1 era series and all the Beast Era series (which Car Robots is one of). The Unicron Trilogy is its own thing. The movies are their own thing. Animated is its own thing. And Prime, Go!, Adventure, and Adventure: Prime of Micron are their own thing. That's five separate continuities.
Frankly, I'm surprised you're not raising a stir over Cybertron/Galaxy Force being part of the Unicron Trilogy given its mismanaged production.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote: I didn’t care as much that we didn’t see any pre-earth molds for the BW characters but what did bug me was why the characters in question seem to rename themselves
It bugs me too. Other than Galvatron, Cyclonus etc being "christened" by Unicron, I don't recall this ever happening outside of Beast Wars. What was the point of it too? They could have left out those lines of dialogue and no one would have questioned that EG Cheetor was always named Cheetor.
The writers probably felt that it wouldn't have made sense for characters who didn't previous have animal forms on Cybertron to have already had animal-based names. So they treated us to the age-old
introdump instead.
And characters would go on to change their names post-upgrades in other shows later. Megatron would rename himself Galvatron in RiD 2001 and three times over across the Unicron Trilogy. Smokescreen became Hoist in Armada. Inferno, Cyclonus, Tidal Wave, and Wing-Dagger became Roadblock, Snow Cat, Mirage, and Wing Saber in Energon. And Overhaul became Leobreaker in Cybertron.
Even back in G1, it happened when Hot Rod upgraded into Rodimus Prime, and when Bumblebee was rebuilt into Goldbug.
In Japan, it happened even more frequently. Soundwave got rebuilt into Soundblaster. Broadcast (Blaster) got rebuilt into Twincast. God Ginrai got rebuilt into Victory Leo. Megastorm and the four Combatrons (Starscream, BB, Thrust, and Dirge) got reformatted into Gigastorm and the Cyborg Beasts (Hellscream, Max-B, Thrustol, and Dirgegun). Gigatron became Devil Gigatron. From Micron Densetsu to Super Link, Hot Rod became Hot Shot, Jetfire became Skyfire, Megatron became Galvatron, and Starscream became Nightscream. In just Super Link alone, Wing Dagger, Sandstorm (Cyclonus), and Ironhide (Demolishor) became Wing Saber, Snowstorm, and Irontread (Demolishor's dump truck form). And in Galaxy Force, Exillion (Hot Shot), First Aid (Red Alert), Backpack (Scattorshot), Jackshot (Overhaul), Master Megatron, Starscream, and Landbullet (Crumplezone) all got upgraded into Exigeyser (Cybertron Defense Hot Shot), First Gunner (CD Red Alert), Backguild (CD Scattorshot), Liger Jack (Leobreaker), Master Galvatron, Super Starscream, and Armbullet (Dark Crumplezone).
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Oh, ok. I haven't really seen anything past Animated, except a couple episodes of Prime. I knew of the connection between Prime and RiD and frankly I only know of Rescue Bots by name.
It's my second favorite series after Beast Wars.