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Flashwave wrote:

Emerje wrote:Just occurred to me that this is probably Slipstream from the side of the Cyberverse package.



Looks female and the head is vaguely the same shape as Starscream's.

Emerje

Could be, the arms look like the Prime Starscream, but the abdomen looks like a car windshield. I figures that was Shadow Striker.

Correction: thats not hwr abs, thsts a window hanging from her arm. Car door arms

Ah, maybe they are car door arms, I thought they were little blue wings like we see on some jet-formers' arms. So that's two female Decepticons on this show right off the bat, interesting.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

Emerje wrote:Just occurred to me that this is probably Slipstream from the side of the Cyberverse package.



Looks female and the head is vaguely the same shape as Starscream's.

Emerje

Could be, the arms look like the Prime Starscream, but the abdomen looks like a car windshield. I figures that was Shadow Striker.

Correction: thats not hwr abs, thsts a window hanging from her arm. Car door arms

Ah, maybe they are car door arms, I thought they were little blue wings like we see on some jet-formers' arms. So that's two female Decepticons on this show right off the bat, interesting.

Emerje

I could be wrong, but the way its shaded makes me think of drawn window glass. But I could see those being wings.

I can imagine that they went with Slipstream because they wanted more female Decepticons and there aren't really any noteworthy ones. That said, I'm quite surprised she's in there because it goes against the whole 'evergreen' idea of using only popular and brand-recognition characters so it come as a shock to use a more recent and less famous character in a major role. I just hope we see variety in seeker design if they're going to be major villains, as plain recolor would look a bit silly (if accurate).

Emerje wrote:Just occurred to me that this is probably Slipstream from the side of the Cyberverse package.



Looks female and the head is vaguely the same shape as Starscream's.

Emerje

I am pretty sure that is Shadow Striker
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ker/40733/

I see some people on other sites suggesting Starscream is demoted or something but what if the case is that in this show Starscream has not been the Seeker commander or second in command of the Deceptions yet?

Starscream having a predecessor in the Seekers is an idea I've thought about in fan stories which tell of his rise to power in the Decepticons and why he craves it so much.

Skritz wrote:I can imagine that they went with Slipstream because they wanted more female Decepticons and there aren't really any noteworthy ones. That said, I'm quite surprised she's in there because it goes against the whole 'evergreen' idea of using only popular and brand-recognition characters so it come as a shock to use a more recent and less famous character in a major role. I just hope we see variety in seeker design if they're going to be major villains, as plain recolor would look a bit silly (if accurate).

THIS, if we could have seekers in different bodies, I would personally wish that we get a Thundercracker redeco of RID Starscream so I can have a complete trio.

Slipstream confirmed to be a Season 1 character for Cyberverse (as opposed to the speculation that she woudn't be showing up until Season 2) - https://twitter.com/MaeCatt/status/983761108589723653

I suppose the me too movement exists in cartoons too. Megatron got a lawsuit filed against him for not promoting female seekers to leadership positions. Im all for woman being empowered in the real world. Hell, I voted for Hillary. But this just seems kind of forced. I could accept it if starscream gets killed off. But to just change starscreams role after 30 years to satisy society is a bit too extreme in my opinion. Its a cartoon...

Rated X wrote:I suppose the me too movement exists in cartoons too. Megatron got a lawsuit filed against him for not promoting female seekers to leadership positions. Im all for woman being empowered in the real world. Hell, I voted for Hillary. But this just seems kind of forced. I could accept it if starscream gets killed off. But to just change starscreams role after 30 years to satisy society is a bit too extreme in my opinion. Its a cartoon...

It could be a new storyline that shows how this Starscream becomes leader of the Seekers, with Slipstream happening to be his predecessor.

And it's not like other new shows aren't trying out different things like this too. For instance, the next Ninja Turtles cartoon is gonna have Raph as the leader for the first time instead of Leo.

Sabrblade wrote: And it's not like other new shows aren't trying out different things like this too. For instance, the next Ninja Turtles cartoon is gonna have Raph as the leader for the first time instead of Leo.

Trying new things to keep brands fresh is one thing, but doing something completely jarring and unexpected is what, often times, isolates (and loses) older fans while trying to gain new ones. The new TMNT looks awful btw...besides, anyone here remember Wolverine and the X-Men? The idea was atrociously stupid. Wolverine, by character, has no business ever being leader. The show despite its awful premise somehow managed to be good, especially in its final few episodes. Of course none of this had to do with Wolverine actually being the leader, rather it was compelling storytelling and world building that won me over to it. Still, all of this could not prevent the series from being cancelled (midway thought production of the 2nd season btw...).

I know its over simplistic to say many shows/ comic book characters/toy brands I grew up with have been *ruined*, but anymore that's honestly I how I feel more often than not. I'm glad IDW is coming to an end, because apart from 2 or 3 characters, I don't know who anyone is. Yeah I know the names, but they don't act like they are *supposed* to.

All this being said, am I going to give Cyberverse a glance. Of course. But honestly I'm not expecting much. Sad to say after 34 years of watching transformers, my pre-judgment has always been right. I keep waiting/hoping for the day I'll be pleasantly surprised to be wrong, but it hasn't happened yet.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:I suppose the me too movement exists in cartoons too. Megatron got a lawsuit filed against him for not promoting female seekers to leadership positions. Im all for woman being empowered in the real world. Hell, I voted for Hillary. But this just seems kind of forced. I could accept it if starscream gets killed off. But to just change starscreams role after 30 years to satisy society is a bit too extreme in my opinion. Its a cartoon...

It could be a new storyline that shows how this Starscream becomes leader of the Seekers, with Slipstream happening to be his predecessor.

And it's not like other new shows aren't trying out different things like this too. For instance, the next Ninja Turtles cartoon is gonna have Raph as the leader for the first time instead of Leo.

Well i definitely dont agree with making Rafael the leader instead of Leonardo. Rafael is a hothead and a loner which is everything a good guy leader cant be. So if they are gonna change that those characteristics then why bother? Just make Leonardos head band red and call it a day.

But my whole issue is the forced feminism factor. Its like what we got in the latest star wars trilogy. I have no problem with a woman being a jedi (we saw them in earlier films) But in the current political atmosphere it seems Rey and Captain Phasma were not just random choices to change things up. My opinion is the radical element of the me too movement is behind it. Im not anti women by any means. But im not a milenial either. If I was a script writer, I'm not going to let society determine the genders of specific characters through intimidation.

Rated X wrote:I suppose the me too movement exists in cartoons too. Megatron got a lawsuit filed against him for not promoting female seekers to leadership positions. Im all for woman being empowered in the real world. Hell, I voted for Hillary. But this just seems kind of forced. I could accept it if starscream gets killed off. But to just change starscreams role after 30 years to satisy society is a bit too extreme in my opinion. Its a cartoon...

I for one am actually kind of interested in this change, since starscream has most of the time been a coward and a traitor, maybe this megatron got wise to him and never promoted him out of fear of what would happen if he did

I think it's good to have something different now and then. If we keep having the same story over and over with the same throwback character designs it is going to get stale. Yeah there are always going to be people who like the original or previous series better but it is important to branch out.

I see no issue with changing some roles. I actually think it's good we get some more female villains. We have gotten a lot more female characters and most of them have been autobots or at least on the good side. I don't see why that has to be political at all really. More interesting and different characters keeps things fresh.

After all this time, we've still never ever had a female main villain 'Con leader. Sure, we've had some high ranking female 'Cons like Strika and such, but never a female 'Con on the same level as someone like Megatron or any of his successors.

Megaempress might be the closest we've ever come having such, but only through her association with Megatron rather than by her own status, and said status of hers (being the "wife" of Megatron) only seems to be self-proclaimed anyway rather than officially recognized by all 'Cons.

Starscream is still in the series and what's so important about him being the Seeker commander anyways?

Slipstream is a more obscure character, let them take a role instead of recycling the same old boring second in command traitor Starscream.

All these darn years the biggest plot hole that I think about when I think of Transformers in general is why Starscream is the second command? Especially in series like G1 or Prime when he's just a pathetic schemer with nothing much to show off that is required for the position he holds. (Not so much in series like Armada or the Live Action films where Starscream is shown to be a competent fighter at times and having the role make sense for them)

Having Starscream start at the bottom and making his way up in power (Hey perhaps he becomes the Seeker leader by "backstabing" Slipstream at some point, now that would be interesting) is actually something interesting which is absolutely the thing the next show needs considering the last two shows had pathetic Starscreams and plenty of weak villains in general.

Rated X wrote: But my whole issue is the forced feminism factor. Its like what we got in the latest star wars trilogy. I have no problem with a woman being a jedi (we saw them in earlier films) But in the current political atmosphere it seems Rey and Captain Phasma were not just random choices to change things up. My opinion is the radical element of the me too movement is behind it. Im not anti women by any means. But im not a milenial either. If I was a script writer, I'm not going to let society determine the genders of specific characters through intimidation.

This is the problem with today's mindset, so many people have become paranoid and think that every single woman character is some sort of forced feminism junk. (I admit there is a reason for that but it's still overreaction when the mention "female character" is brought up and people lose their minds.)

I think it's forced feminism to have only one or two female Transformers in a show. (Prime is probably the worst in this regard only having the default female Autobot Arcee, and the dreadful non-character that is Arachnid, compared to it's successor Rid which had plenty of female characters both bad and good...some weren't really that much characters but it was still good diversity)

We haven't even seen a trailer and we already know of three female characters in this show, Windblade, Slipstream and Shadow Striker. Like that's great! What problems even realistically exist with that?

Something I posted on the Discord: If you ask me, I wish they'd bring Strika and Obsidian into a mainline 'pseudo G1' continuity, especially since Beast Machine had established them as ancient cybertronians (albeit unclear if they were Bot, Cons or something else/predating the factions) generals who were already a team if not a couple. A duo of villains who are a couple and/or equal partners would make for a more unique dynamic than a megalomanic tyrant and his backstabbing right hand.

Strika is many things different people want and she's already a pre-existing character who appeared in TV shows even if her appearances were limited. She's a serious villain, a good strategist and yet can fullfill the role of any 'bruiser'-type villain while being intelligent nonetheless. She's also a female Transformers who doesn't look anything like a robotic pinup (to the point she doesn't even look female...or even human-like, as a matter, just a humanoid hulk) which offend some people, has a unique altmode AND as previously mentioned has the equally interesting and cool-looking Obsidian as her buddy, assuming that Strika isn't tied to a Lugnut like she was (very briefly and in background material) in Animated.

But Strika won't be used because she's too obscure, in spite of her being far more unique and bringing a lot more to the table than a gender-flipped Starscream. Combine with with being from the Beast Era (and the worst show of said era) and you've got a character who will never be given the chance to shine ever again.

Skritz wrote:Something I posted on the Discord: If you ask me, I wish they'd bring Strika and Obsidian into a mainline 'pseudo G1' continuity, especially since Beast Machine had established them as ancient cybertronians (albeit unclear if they were Bot, Cons or something else/predating the factions) generals who were already a team if not a couple. A duo of villains who are a couple and/or equal partners would make for a more unique dynamic than a megalomanic tyrant and his backstabbing right hand.

Well good news for you, Strika is already well established within the mainline pseudo G1 continuity.

In every way possible.

She is in the current G1 comics:



She was in the animated universe, which was another take on G1



And she is retroactively part of the G1 cartoon as well.

Also Strika isn't a Seeker so she can't fill the same role.


And honestly having Slipstream be Seeker commander makes more sense then any other established seeker besides maybe Acid storm since non of the others really seem to have leadership qualitues.

Unless we went with a new version of Tfp Dreadwing.

Or Nitro Zeus /s (I hope he shows up honestly)

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:Something I posted on the Discord: If you ask me, I wish they'd bring Strika and Obsidian into a mainline 'pseudo G1' continuity

Eaxactly. I was going to mention that she has been established in the IDW series, which is coming to an end but...

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:Something I posted on the Discord: If you ask me, I wish they'd bring Strika and Obsidian into a mainline 'pseudo G1' continuity

Eaxactly. I was going to mention that she has been established in the IDW series, which is coming to an end but...

In that pic above, she looks like a head retool of Prime Breakdown.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:Something I posted on the Discord: If you ask me, I wish they'd bring Strika and Obsidian into a mainline 'pseudo G1' continuity

Eaxactly. I was going to mention that she has been established in the IDW series, which is coming to an end but...

In that pic above, she looks like a head retool of Prime Breakdown.

Well that could be one way Hasbro could finally release that mold at retail

william-james88 wrote:Well that could be one way Hasbro could finally release that mold at retail

Wasn't the reason they did not release it due to the mold being too "heavy" or something?

Deadput wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Well that could be one way Hasbro could finally release that mold at retail

Wasn't the reason they did not release it due to the mold being too "heavy" or something?

Its because he was in between classes (deluxe and voyager). Takara clearly has no problem releasing a smaller toy as a voyager and rebranded HFTD Bumblebee as a voyager, same with Animated lockdown in the recent adventures line. But Hasbro used to like things being more clear cut and unified classes.
But that was the old team. The new team clearly does not give a **** and will label Studio Series Optimus as a full blown voyager regardless of his small stature.

william-james88 wrote:Its because he was in between classes (deluxe and voyager). Takara clearly has no problem releasing a smaller toy as a voyager and rebranded HFTD Bumblebee as a voyager, same with Animated lockdown in the recent adventures line. But Hasbro used to like things being more clear cut and unified classes.
But that was the old team. The new team clearly does not give a **** and will label Studio Series Optimus as a full blown voyager regardless of his small stature.

Wow I had no idea Breakdown wasn't a proper Voyager, all those pics on the net sure fooled me even when he was standing next to other figures.

Courtesy of Toon Boom and an interview they published with Robert Cullen, animator and founder of Boulder Media Studios - the Hasbro partner working on the upcoming animated series Rescue Bots Academy and Transformers: Cyberverse - we have a quick look at the two designs for Hot Shot and Bumblebee from the two shows respectively (you can discussion Rescue Bots Academy in its thread here).

Cullen talks about the studio in general and the recent acquisition by Hasbro and nothing specific about the shows, but if you're curious, you can look at the relevant passages below!

Boulder went from producing three projects at most to six IPs including season two of Danger Mouse and Hasbro’s Micronauts, The Littlest Pet Shop, My Little Pony: Equestria Girls and Rescue Bots Academy, all in Toon Boom Harmony. The studio is also storyboarding the latest Transformers series and its first CG animated feature film in Storyboard Pro.

With so many new productions, Boulder suddenly needed storyboard artists, concept designers and animators. The challenge became to scale up and find top talent without losing its quality and personality.

“We’ve always been quite selective about who we hire and it’s not just the talent I’m looking at; I want to know if they’re nice people and if they will fit in,” says Cullen.

Its team now includes people from around Ireland and the world, though growing from 160 to 360 seats in just over a year comes with certain concerns as well. Namely, keeping the boutique studio corporate culture it had established.

“Each project has a team with their own director and production manager — every piece feels like it’s a boutique production that people can take pride in,” says Cullen. “It doesn’t feel like we’re this vast company making random shows and we have to make sure it stays that way.”