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Posted: **Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:00 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
MaximalNui wrote:My sole concern is that, like previous CG shows for the brand, they'll have to rely heavily on a short cast and lots of repaints for background characters. Then again, that might not be a bad thing; it's what forced Beast Wars to focus more on character writing than product shilling.

One interesting thing to note is that the kid mentions "you're a Transformer". With a tone that implies he already knows what that is.

Which, to me, can mean one of three things: either he finds out early what Transformers are and is reacting to something else also being a Transformer (which sounds...rather manipulative and convoluted editing, but not impossible); or Transformers as a brand is well-known on Earth and he discovers real ones exist, like in Digimon Tamers (which would be confusing at first, but bold and new for the franchise); or Transformers are relatively well-known in this continuity and he's surprised to have met one (far more likely and in line with other continuities we had).

Actually, come to think of it, for a franchise where one of the main taglines is "Robots In Disguise", there's plenty of continuities where the existence of Transformers is well-known to the public, or at least the government.

The best with regards to keeping themselves secret was Rescue Bots, who only revealed themselves to the public in Season 4
And only after a small alien invasion by the Velgrox forced their hand, even.

Also Car Robots/RID 2001. If I recall correctly, only the token human (and his father once they rescue him from the Predacons) ever finds out who the Autobots are.

Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Is this what will replace Cyberverse?
Yes.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Regardless, I'm surprised to see the return of humans.
I'm currently at season two in Cyberverse. I find the complete absence of humans unsettling and creepy.
The lack of humans in Cyberverse was due to budget constraints. Hasbro gave them such a small budget that gradually got bigger over time, but the makers had to fight tooth and nail just to get a few seconds of screentime for a single human child seen that one season 1 episode with the roadside billboard.

Pretty much. Also, they didn't feel they could do the usual B-plots that come with human sidekicks given their runtime. Which makes it especially weird that the show even bothers to go to Earth in the first place; at least Beast Wars had the excuse of being in the distant past before humanity existed.

Posted: **Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:44 pm**

MaximalNui wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
MaximalNui wrote:My sole concern is that, like previous CG shows for the brand, they'll have to rely heavily on a short cast and lots of repaints for background characters. Then again, that might not be a bad thing; it's what forced Beast Wars to focus more on character writing than product shilling.

One interesting thing to note is that the kid mentions "you're a Transformer". With a tone that implies he already knows what that is.

Which, to me, can mean one of three things: either he finds out early what Transformers are and is reacting to something else also being a Transformer (which sounds...rather manipulative and convoluted editing, but not impossible); or Transformers as a brand is well-known on Earth and he discovers real ones exist, like in Digimon Tamers (which would be confusing at first, but bold and new for the franchise); or Transformers are relatively well-known in this continuity and he's surprised to have met one (far more likely and in line with other continuities we had).

Actually, come to think of it, for a franchise where one of the main taglines is "Robots In Disguise", there's plenty of continuities where the existence of Transformers is well-known to the public, or at least the government.

The best with regards to keeping themselves secret was Rescue Bots, who only revealed themselves to the public in Season 4
And only after a small alien invasion by the Velgrox forced their hand, even.

Also Car Robots/RID 2001. If I recall correctly, only the token human (and his father once they rescue him from the Predacons) ever finds out who the Autobots are.

Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Is this what will replace Cyberverse?
Yes.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Regardless, I'm surprised to see the return of humans.
I'm currently at season two in Cyberverse. I find the complete absence of humans unsettling and creepy.
The lack of humans in Cyberverse was due to budget constraints. Hasbro gave them such a small budget that gradually got bigger over time, but the makers had to fight tooth and nail just to get a few seconds of screentime for a single human child seen that one season 1 episode with the roadside billboard.

Pretty much. Also, they didn't feel they could do the usual B-plots that come with human sidekicks given their runtime. Which makes it especially weird that the show even bothers to go to Earth in the first place; at least Beast Wars had the excuse of being in the distant past before humanity existed.

Yeah, all the action could have taken place and stayed on Cybertron. Because for the shiz these robots stir up, it's eerie to never, ever see anyone flee in panic, not a cop in sight, and the military is on strike or something. I could look pass the lack of sidekicks. But NO ONE?

Shudder...

As if the bots has landed on THAT Earth:

Posted: **Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:11 pm**

MaximalNui wrote:My sole concern is that, like previous CG shows for the brand, they'll have to rely heavily on a short cast and lots of repaints for background characters. Then again, that might not be a bad thing; it's what forced Beast Wars to focus more on character writing than product shilling.

Why not look at Cyberverse. That was a CG show and it had a huge cast of characters. In the end, it will all depend on the story. As you said, a small (or big) cast doesn't spell out how good a show will be.

Posted: **Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:29 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
MaximalNui wrote:My sole concern is that, like previous CG shows for the brand, they'll have to rely heavily on a short cast and lots of repaints for background characters. Then again, that might not be a bad thing; it's what forced Beast Wars to focus more on character writing than product shilling.

Why not look at Cyberverse. That was a CG show and it had a huge cast of characters. In the end, it will all depend on the story. As you said, a small (or big) cast doesn't spell out how good a show will be.

Prime remains one of the best TF show ever IMO. It had a very small cast too.

Posted: **Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:31 pm**

So are the silver bots like protoforms or something? In the clip we see one turn into that red quad copter, and in the still images we see a red bot that clearly turns into the same vehicle.

Noticed that only the kids have that one glove which seems to connect them with their bots. I'm guessing the taller one is the motorcycle.

So far I like it, it's better than I was expecting from a new show on Nick. Really thought we would be getting some goofy comedy show or something.

Emerje

Posted: **Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:32 pm**

MaximalNui wrote:Also Car Robots/RID 2001. If I recall correctly, only the token human (and his father once they rescue him from the Predacons) ever finds out who the Autobots are.

Not quite. The Autobots of that series kept their base's location secret, and they remained in vehicle mode when operating in the field during non-combat situations, but when it came time to engage the Predacons in open combat, they had no qualms with showing their robot modes to human civilians. They just followed a protocol system more rigidly than in most other series. Episode 3 even had a train dispatcher identify Optimus Prime by name (in both language versions) as though his existence was known to some civilians.

Though, Armada and Cybertron both had Optimus want to hide the Autobots' existence from humans as much as possible.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:39 am**

The fact that two of the guys who worked on that god awful Rise of the TMNT show are working on this gives me no hope.

Yes Ciro who worked on TMNT 2012 is also working on it but my point stands

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:20 am**

Autobot_Benz wrote:The fact that two of the guys who worked on that god awful Rise of the TMNT show are working on this gives me no hope.

Yes Ciro who worked on TMNT 2012 is also working on it but my point stands

I've actually read more comments about how the people who worked on ROT-TMNT gave them good vibes on the show than otherwise so this is interesting to read in comparison.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:55 am**

The big plus point for me so far is new characters.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:01 am**

-Kanrabat- wrote:I find the complete absence of humans unsettling and creepy.

Is that just because part of it is set on modern day Earth ? I usually find a lack of humans to make most shows better, ( most notably Beast era shows) but Cyberverse just wasn't for me, and it wasn't because of a lack of humans.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:51 am**

o.supreme wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I find the complete absence of humans unsettling and creepy.

Is that just because part of it is set on modern day Earth ? I usually find a lack of humans to make most shows better, ( most notably Beast era shows) but Cyberverse just wasn't for me, and it wasn't because of a lack of humans.

No humans makes sense in the right setting.
But when there's an actual WAR waged by extraterrestrials on Earth soil and not a single human delegation or army show up to intervene, it's there that my suspension of disbelief reach its limits.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:59 am**

Gotcha

. There's a whole subset of Pixar fans that are disturbed by the Cars franchise wondering where all the humans went. I guess it's kind of like that

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:13 am**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I find the complete absence of humans unsettling and creepy.

Is that just because part of it is set on modern day Earth ? I usually find a lack of humans to make most shows better, ( most notably Beast era shows) but Cyberverse just wasn't for me, and it wasn't because of a lack of humans.

No humans makes sense in the right setting.
But when there's an actual WAR waged by extraterrestrials on Earth soil and not a single human delegation or army show up to intervene, it's there that my suspension of disbelief reach its limits.

Like I said, Hasbro gave the Cyberverse people no budget for humans. Aside from the little kid they managed to sneak into one scene in season 1, at least season 2 had that montage of offcreen humans capturing video footage of the Transformers fighting on Earth, and the bits where Optimus and Megatron would address humanity via transmissions. The Decepticons even had a following of human sympathizers on the Internet, with some mourning the loss of Starscream and angry over the Autobots killing him (as Megatron falsely claimed).

Though, we know the real reason the show had to be set on Earth: The backstory lore that Hasbro pushed on the Cyberverse people says that Earth is the planet the AllSpark landed on, so the show had to take place there until the AllSpark was found.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:55 am**

More combat footage is seen in this Hasbro corporate reel video.

The uniform-wearing human woman is also seen using a laser gun of her own.

https://twitter.com/Hasbro/status/1494363619622064137

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:40 pm**

o.supreme wrote:Gotcha . There's a whole subset of Pixar fans that are disturbed by the Cars franchise wondering where all the humans went. I guess it's kind of like that

Not really.
In Cars, it's the Cars world.
In Cyberverse, the robots are in the human world. They mention humans several times and even broadcast messages to the human populace... yet no one show up. Ever.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:48 pm**

I'm glad to see they are involving human's again on earth, I just hope they do it more in line with G1 or TF Prime, where they add to the story but don't take over the story like they did in the unicron trilogy.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:44 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:No humans makes sense in the right setting.
But when there's an actual WAR waged by extraterrestrials on Earth soil and not a single human delegation or army show up to intervene, it's there that my suspension of disbelief reach its limits.

For me, with Bayformers, it was the opposite. I grew up with Toho films. Humans are there to scream, run away and/or be ineffective military fodder. That normally ends up doing one of the two former options. Being active participants in an Alien war, which uses technology far more advanced than our own? I don't buy it for a second. Let alone when our technology can harm a giant alien robot #-o

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:57 pm**

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:No humans makes sense in the right setting.
But when there's an actual WAR waged by extraterrestrials on Earth soil and not a single human delegation or army show up to intervene, it's there that my suspension of disbelief reach its limits.

For me, with Bayformers, it was the opposite. I grew up with Toho films. Humans are there to scream, run away and/or be ineffective military fodder. That normally ends up doing one of the two former options. Being active participants in an Alien war, which uses technology far more advanced than our own? I don't buy it for a second. Let alone when our technology can harm a giant alien robot

In the Bay movies, the Army was glorified and overpowered.

But in Cyberverse, they could at least have shown the humains TRY to resist a bit. Even if in the end, they can't do shizz. À la Godzilla.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:02 pm**

I haven't seen Cyberverse. Aside from [falling asleep] watching Siege, the last Transformers series I watched was Prime. Tapping out a few episodes into Season One. As I didn't like the amount of human involvement nor, the designs of the Transformers themselves (barring Soundwave).

But the first time the army killed a Decepticon in Bayformers, it raised an eyebrow. When they kept doing it... eyes rolled heavily.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:30 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:But in Cyberverse, they could at least have shown the humains TRY to resist a bit. Even if in the end, they can't do shizz. À la Godzilla.

No. They could not. As I have told you twice already in this very thread, they had no budget, whatsoever, to do anything with humans. As I told you the first time, they had to fight tooth and nail just to get mere seconds of screentime for that one little kid in that one scene in that one episode of season one.

There were no other onscreen humans besides that brief cameo because there was no money to afford them. Hasbro gave them the barest minimum of a budget to work with. That's why the majority of Decepticons on Earth in the first season were just color-swapped Seekers.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:51 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:But in Cyberverse, they could at least have shown the humains TRY to resist a bit. Even if in the end, they can't do shizz. À la Godzilla.
No. They could not. As I have told you twice already in this very thread, they had no budget, whatsoever, to do anything with humans. As I told you the first time, they had to fight tooth and nail just to get mere seconds of screentime for that one little kid in that one scene in that one episode of season one.

There were no other onscreen humans besides that brief cameo because there was no money to afford them. Hasbro gave them the barest minimum of a budget to work with. That's why the majority of Decepticons on Earth in the first season were just color-swapped Seekers.

The point is NOT about the budget. Who care about the budget? Humans were not even mentioned, nor suggested. That's wack.
Also, there's lots of animations on Youtube made by independent creators. Often, people being alone with barely any Patreon money. They do incredible things. "No budget" is no excuse. The animators could have used so many ways to represent some human interaction even if the humans would only have been shadows behind a screen. No need for Disneyesque crowd shots or the like. Just being creative with what you have.

If the creators have the talent, restrains in budget means nothing. But if the creators are only there to cash a paycheck, of course they will only make the minimal efforts required.

BTW, the creators of the infamous High Guardian Spice claimed the Budget issues as a final excuse for their abysmal failure. For some reasons, the public didn't buy it.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:41 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:Humans were not even mentioned, nor suggested. That's wack.

1:06 to 2:42:

9:48 to 10:27:

0:00 to 1:02:

Plus, who do you think that Earth city that the Nemesis is parked next to in that lattermost video belongs to? Squirrels?

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:48 pm**

Not even 5 minutes out of 4 seasons.
Seriously?

At that point, yeah, that city is Squirrel City.

Posted: **Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:37 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:Not even 5 minutes out of 4 seasons.
Seriously?

At that point, yeah, that city is Squirrel City.

Those were just snippits I picked out from memory.

Plus, five minutes would take up half of a whole episode. That's expensive.

Posted: **Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:52 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:More combat footage is seen in this Hasbro corporate reel video.

The uniform-wearing human woman is also seen using a laser gun of her own.

https://twitter.com/Hasbro/status/1494363619622064137

Don't we see that same shot in the teaser?

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