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Depending upon the type, you are correct. The difference here is that in the case of stories like TransFormers, animation is just a medium for telling the story. It isn't the point of the story. The internal reality of the Transformers is based upon real-world phyisics, it's based upon our laws or reality, with a few fantastic elements given real-world plausible explainations on how they could work. It doesn't take the laws of physics and throw them out the window like discarded trash. It is grounded in reality. Most of your serious animated stories are like that as well, whether it's on Earth, or some other planet. They are still set within reality and follow most laws of physics, and usually only bend others. That is true of most science fiction and fantasy stories regardless of medium. Your classic Warner Borthers silly cartoons are another matter all together. You can't really compare the two. They're apples and oranges.

Tramp wrote:Depending upon the type, you are correct. The difference here is that in the case of stories like TransFormers, animation is just a medium for telling the story. It isn't the point of the story. The internal reality of the Transformers is based upon real-world phyisics, it's based upon our laws or reality, with a few fantastic elements given real-world plausible explainations on how they could work. It doesn't take the laws of physics and throw them out the window like discarded trash. It is grounded in reality. Most of your serious animated stories are like that as well, whether it's on Earth, or some other planet. They are still set within reality and follow most laws of physics, and usually only bend others. That is true of most science fiction and fantasy stories regardless of medium. Your classic Warner Borthers silly cartoons are another matter all together. You can't really compare the two. They're apples and oranges.

Ok, what you said makes sense. But I can see how Damolisher gets pissed off. He doesnt see it as being that serious.

I do take it more seriously because whoile I am doing graphic design right now, My ultimate goal is to get my own comic book published. I have a degree in cartooning and want to make use of it. I also love this series and the stories in it, about as much as I love Star Wars. Secondly, don't let Damolisher kid you. He takes it just as seriously. If he didn't, he would get so upset. The bigest doifference though Is I read more into the stories because I am a story-teller myself.

DonFig wrote:

Transtopias Rodimus Prime wrote:Hey Don wassup? Love your work.
You have to excuse Tramp. Treads really are his pet peeve. It's been discussed for many many pages at Transtopia. I'm here on Seibertron by way of Transtopia. You have a great gallery over there. As a fellow artist I say anybody can draw a figure, but to build one is truly amazing, which brings me to my favorite Transformer ever. I would like to own this. I would give all of my transformers stuff to just have Stronghold. Do you still have him? How much for him?

You wouldn't happen to have some larger pictures would you?

Unfortunately, Stronghold suffered some significant damage during a move to a new place. I thought about repairing him but it'll take a whole lot of time which I dont have at the moment. so he's in a box in my garrage, locked in statis
I did thought about buidling a new one with a new design, infact. the design was used in the Stormbringer comic as the Wreakers' battle cruiser Xantium

Hey there, Don...like a few others have said, it's good to have you back on the boards. And like everyone else has said, your work is beyond awesome.

You actually cleared up a chronic bit of head-scratching I'd been having about the Xantium. I KNEW that the color scheme looked familiar (and it looked transformable), and I suspected you were using some from Macromasters...

Random question, just for the hell of it--whose character was the toughest for you to design or redesign, either for comics or for toy production?

Many thanks again for the work you do!

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Tramp wrote:Depending upon the type, you are correct. The difference here is that in the case of stories like TransFormers, animation is just a medium for telling the story. It isn't the point of the story. The internal reality of the Transformers is based upon real-world phyisics, it's based upon our laws or reality, with a few fantastic elements given real-world plausible explainations on how they could work. It doesn't take the laws of physics and throw them out the window like discarded trash. It is grounded in reality. Most of your serious animated stories are like that as well, whether it's on Earth, or some other planet. They are still set within reality and follow most laws of physics, and usually only bend others. That is true of most science fiction and fantasy stories regardless of medium. Your classic Warner Borthers silly cartoons are another matter all together. You can't really compare the two. They're apples and oranges.

Ok, what you said makes sense. But I can see how Damolisher gets pissed off. He doesnt see it as being that serious.

Of course I don't take it seriously. What pisses me off is captain Science nerd here has to suck all the fun out of everything to do with Transformers with his stupid "Science Explanations" even if the writers have written something which already disproves his theories. He even wrote a letter to Simon Furman saying that Transformers "Needs" female characters so they can "Reproduce" to adhere to the "7 laws of life." Who the hell corrects the most prolific Transformres writer ever anyways?

Damolisher wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Tramp wrote:Depending upon the type, you are correct. The difference here is that in the case of stories like TransFormers, animation is just a medium for telling the story. It isn't the point of the story. The internal reality of the Transformers is based upon real-world phyisics, it's based upon our laws or reality, with a few fantastic elements given real-world plausible explainations on how they could work. It doesn't take the laws of physics and throw them out the window like discarded trash. It is grounded in reality. Most of your serious animated stories are like that as well, whether it's on Earth, or some other planet. They are still set within reality and follow most laws of physics, and usually only bend others. That is true of most science fiction and fantasy stories regardless of medium. Your classic Warner Borthers silly cartoons are another matter all together. You can't really compare the two. They're apples and oranges.

Ok, what you said makes sense. But I can see how Damolisher gets pissed off. He doesnt see it as being that serious.

Of course I don't take it seriously. What pisses me off is captain Science nerd here has to suck all the fun out of everything to do with Transformers with his stupid "Science Explanations" even if the writers have written something which already disproves his theories. He even wrote a letter to Simon Furman saying that Transformers "Needs" female characters so they can "Reproduce" to adhere to the "7 laws of life." Who the hell corrects the most prolific Transformres writer ever anyways?

IF it helps him get over an aversion to a specific group of characters, why not? Furman's been quoted as saying that he can't get his head around the idea of female TransFormers. They make his head hurt apparently. I simply gave him a logical suggestion, backed up by both science and evidence from other canon sources, to help him get over that aversion.

Secondly, what indvidual people consider fun is strictly a matter of personal preference. If people want to discuss a subject that you particularly don't want to deal with, let them do so, no one is focing you to participate in any discussion. On top of that, any evidence used in a discussion is meant to be considered carefully, not simply discarded because it disagrees with your point of view. On top of that, there is plenty of canon evidence whis does support the "theories" being discused eleswhere, you simply choose to ignore that evidence. IF you want to simply take things at face value, you are welcome to, but there are other people who do look into things more deeply and do like to have explainations for things. Are you saying that they should be denied that simply because you don't want to deal with it?

Now, if you please, let us not derail this thread with a pointless debate.

Damolisher wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Tramp wrote:Depending upon the type, you are correct. The difference here is that in the case of stories like TransFormers, animation is just a medium for telling the story. It isn't the point of the story. The internal reality of the Transformers is based upon real-world phyisics, it's based upon our laws or reality, with a few fantastic elements given real-world plausible explainations on how they could work. It doesn't take the laws of physics and throw them out the window like discarded trash. It is grounded in reality. Most of your serious animated stories are like that as well, whether it's on Earth, or some other planet. They are still set within reality and follow most laws of physics, and usually only bend others. That is true of most science fiction and fantasy stories regardless of medium. Your classic Warner Borthers silly cartoons are another matter all together. You can't really compare the two. They're apples and oranges.

Ok, what you said makes sense. But I can see how Damolisher gets pissed off. He doesnt see it as being that serious.

Of course I don't take it seriously. What pisses me off is captain Science nerd here has to suck all the fun out of everything to do with Transformers with his stupid "Science Explanations" even if the writers have written something which already disproves his theories. He even wrote a letter to Simon Furman saying that Transformers "Needs" female characters so they can "Reproduce" to adhere to the "7 laws of life." Who the hell corrects the most prolific Transformres writer ever anyways?

Wow, thats pretty bad. Thats like Telling George Lucas he was wrong to have darth vader be lukes dade. You dont correct the creator. He is always right because it's his creation! And yeah I know Simon Furman didnt create Transformers, but he sure wrote most of the stories that we know.

Yeah, trying to ground everything in reality and exlaining everything can suck the fun out of stuff.

Tramp wrote:

Damolisher wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

Tramp wrote:Depending upon the type, you are correct. The difference here is that in the case of stories like TransFormers, animation is just a medium for telling the story. It isn't the point of the story. The internal reality of the Transformers is based upon real-world phyisics, it's based upon our laws or reality, with a few fantastic elements given real-world plausible explainations on how they could work. It doesn't take the laws of physics and throw them out the window like discarded trash. It is grounded in reality. Most of your serious animated stories are like that as well, whether it's on Earth, or some other planet. They are still set within reality and follow most laws of physics, and usually only bend others. That is true of most science fiction and fantasy stories regardless of medium. Your classic Warner Borthers silly cartoons are another matter all together. You can't really compare the two. They're apples and oranges.

Ok, what you said makes sense. But I can see how Damolisher gets pissed off. He doesnt see it as being that serious.

Of course I don't take it seriously. What pisses me off is captain Science nerd here has to suck all the fun out of everything to do with Transformers with his stupid "Science Explanations" even if the writers have written something which already disproves his theories. He even wrote a letter to Simon Furman saying that Transformers "Needs" female characters so they can "Reproduce" to adhere to the "7 laws of life." Who the hell corrects the most prolific Transformres writer ever anyways?

IF it helps him get over an aversion to a specific group of characters, why not? Furman's been quoted as saying that he can't get his head around the idea of female TransFormers. They make his head hurt apparently. I simply gave him a logical suggestion, backed up by both science and evidence from other canon sources, to help him get over that aversion.

Secondly, what indvidual people consider fun is strictly a matter of personal preference. If people want to discuss a subject that you particularly don't want to deal with, let them do so, no one is focing you to participate in any discussion. On top of that, any evidence used in a discussion is meant to be considered carefully, not simply discarded because it disagrees with your point of view. On top of that, there is plenty of canon evidence whis does support the "theories" being discused eleswhere, you simply choose to ignore that evidence. IF you want to simply take things at face value, you are welcome to, but there are other people who do look into things more deeply and do like to have explainations for things. Are you saying that they should be denied that simply because you don't want to deal with it?

Now, if you please, let us not derail this thread with a pointless debate.

But weren't you the one who derailed it in the first place some pages back?

Have you ever realized how needlessly wordy you are? Its like listening to a legal disclaimer.

By the same token if you throw reality completely out the window, you completely destroy suspension of disbelief. Before you judge anything Toyotimus, you should actually read the threads first hand objectively without any prejudice. Don't let anyone myself or Damolisher, or anyone else try to color your views.

Now, can we please get back to the real point of this thread?

Toyotus Superion wrote:But weren't you the one who derailed it in the first place some pages back?

Have you ever realized how needlessly wordy you are? Its like listening to a legal disclaimer.

No, toyotus, I'm not. and regardless of whether I am "wordy" or not is a moot point. I say a lot because I have a lot to say.

Tramp, you don't like it because Toyotus is outarguing you, and telling you exactly what you are, and isn't falling for your garbage. You're only telling him "Don't let me or Damolisher sway you" simply because you don't like the fact he's not on your side!

And he's write, you talk more than a Law Student from Dunedin.

For Christ's sake, everyone just STFU already! This thread is about Don taking the time to visit us and share some pictures.

You really think he'll come back when the thread with his name in it gets filled up with bitching?

Come on, gents, you're better than this.

And if you're not, don't drag me into it.

Yeah, well come on, dude. Tramp sucks the fun out of everything. All he does is bitch about Transformers being more realistic, etc.

Damolisher wrote:Yeah, well come on, dude. Tramp sucks the fun out of everything. All he does is bitch about Transformers being more realistic, etc.

That I can see. And then some...

Yeah, exactly. But nah, yeah, that Grimlock Don posted is badass, man. I'd be wetting myself if that thing ever Transformed in front of me.

It does not matter how much someone bitches about making TF's more realistic, if there is something that bothers you simply PM a mod or myself and we will deal with the problem instead of making the thread a big mess with an argument.

Cyber Bishop wrote:It does not matter how much someone bitches about making TF's more realistic, if there is something that bothers you simply PM a mod or myself and we will deal with the problem instead of making the thread a big mess with an argument.

If we pmed you with every little thing your inbox would explode. Besides, this is a small squable that was over hours ago. Theres no need to involve the "police".

ANYWAY....


So, Don, if for some reason you're still reading this thread (you'll either be laughing like me or pissed I guess), but I'd also like to know what transformers you find especially difficult to draw, and then on the flip side, what ones you could simply draw forever without care.
Not a term of 'what's your favourite', but from a purely artistic point of view.