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Randomhero wrote:Dont know about Megatron though. doesnt seem like theres room or time for him which is a huge let down but he did get his second chance thats kinda his conclusion i guess.

...ya know for someone who’s awaiting trial for the murder of billions and billions of life across the galaxy. And I love Autobot Megatron but letting him off that way wasn’t a satisfying ending to that first story of LL

You know with Unicron coming and the end of IDW I'm actually fine with Megatron staying in that alt universe, him and Terminus can be the last remnants of the current community and it could be a cool potential future story that the good Megatron crosses over with the reboot universe at some point that way we can have a good Megatron but without making the reboot Megatron have a redemption.

This is assuming Unicron wins and everyone dies.

Deadput wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Dont know about Megatron though. doesnt seem like theres room or time for him which is a huge let down but he did get his second chance thats kinda his conclusion i guess.

...ya know for someone who’s awaiting trial for the murder of billions and billions of life across the galaxy. And I love Autobot Megatron but letting him off that way wasn’t a satisfying ending to that first story of LL

You know with Unicron coming and the end of IDW I'm actually fine with Megatron staying in that alt universe, him and Terminus can be the last remnants of the current community and it could be a cool potential future story that the good Megatron crosses over with the reboot universe at some point that way we can have a good Megatron but without making the reboot Megatron have a redemption.

This is assuming Unicron wins and everyone dies.

That’s not going to happen. That’s just a huge slap to the face to the entire 13 years of stories to just have Unicron wipe the entire thing out.

They’re gonna win and it’ll end with the last page saying “Till all are One” or something we’ve seen a million times.

Randomhero wrote:
That’s not going to happen. That’s just a huge slap to the face to the entire 13 years of stories to just have Unicron wipe the entire thing out.

They’re gonna win and it’ll end with the last page saying “Till all are One” or something we’ve seen a million times.

I guess I no longer need to read the comic then

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:
That’s not going to happen. That’s just a huge slap to the face to the entire 13 years of stories to just have Unicron wipe the entire thing out.

They’re gonna win and it’ll end with the last page saying “Till all are One” or something we’ve seen a million times.

I guess I no longer need to read the comic then

Well why read it if you expect everyone to die? That’s not good story telling in any way.

I don’t understand why anyone would think Unicron killing the entire universe would be a good way to end it. Becuase it’s ending? Comics end all the time. Almost all my favorite books have concluded in the past couple and none of them ended with the entire universe being destroyed. They just concluded.

Robert Kirkman announced he was canceling invincible and ending it in a year last year and I don’t think there was a single person around that said “Oh I hope everyone dies in that series” and it didn’t. It had an amazing ending.

IDW announces theyre ending their universe and people...crazy people are all saying “Oh I hope Unicron kills EVERYONE!’” What the Hell?

Fandom is toxic. .

I've noticed a few saying it around here, but the reasoning for that is they just want unicron to live up to his name. My own theory is that his destruction will cause a temporal event that causes this new reboot to happen (don't have all the details worked out in my head yet)

I'm a bit disappointed James Roberts will be taking a break from TFs after LL -- but he had a good run. I guess we will really see what becomes of the TF universe after Unicron....

Randomhero wrote:
That’s not going to happen. That’s just a huge slap to the face to the entire 13 years of stories to just have Unicron wipe the entire thing out.

They’re gonna win and it’ll end with the last page saying “Till all are One” or something we’ve seen a million times.

How about why the F not?

Maybe we can see Unicron actually being a threat, how about we see what it's like when Unicron actually wins? (Because I remember there being mentions that some universes did end up being devoured by him, let's see what that looks like in action)

The comics do not have to end happy at all. (Plus most of the characters in IDW are douches or arrogant people so I'm not going to feel that sad seeing them all die if they do)


Regardless with it being the end a lot of people are probably going to die...otherwise IDW will end truly pathetically if the biggest Unicron we have seen yet accomplishes little.


Oh yeah didn't Regeneration 1 ended with all the Transformers eventually dying? (Sure it wasn't the end of the universe but they still all died off)

If every other character in Transformers gets their time to shine, why not Unicron? Why not end IDWverse mirroring the beginning IE Pay homage to that final battle in Stormbringer, that spread the Great War into the galaxy, but subvert it? The last stand that becomes final...

The overly light-hearted tone is definitely one of the things that needs to go for the Reboot anyway.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The overly light-hearted tone is definitely one of the things that needs to go for the Reboot anyway.

You know, dark moments in Transformers will only ever work in sparse uses, it would be awful and depressing if the reboot becomes edgy comic garbage every issue.

bodrock wrote:I'm a bit disappointed James Roberts will be taking a break from TFs after LL -- but he had a good run. I guess we will really see what becomes of the TF universe after Unicron....

I nust read the news article myself and got depressed a bit. I like his writing and some of the new characters he's introduced, like Nickel. Is he going to finish LL? Or is someone else going to do it? I also just recently got into the IDW comics a few months ago. It seems I have a bad habit of getting into something I enjoy on the tail end, right before it's gone. It's sad. I wonder what the reboot will be like.

Deadput wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The overly light-hearted tone is definitely one of the things that needs to go for the Reboot anyway.

You know, dark moments in Transformers will only ever work in sparse uses, it would be awful and depressing if the reboot becomes edgy comic garbage every issue.

There is always a middle ground. Between gore and guffaws. It's that plateau the Reboot needs to hit to engage with the maximum number of people.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Deadput wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The overly light-hearted tone is definitely one of the things that needs to go for the Reboot anyway.

You know, dark moments in Transformers will only ever work in sparse uses, it would be awful and depressing if the reboot becomes edgy comic garbage every issue.

There is always a middle ground. Between gore and guffaws. It's that plateau the Reboot needs to hit to engage with the maximum number of people.

As long as it's not based on Cyberverse or something, and is similar in fashion to the early issues of the current IDWverse, then there's no reason for me to stop reading.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There is always a middle ground. Between gore and guffaws. It's that plateau the Reboot needs to hit to engage with the maximum number of people.

That I agree a middle ground would be nice, not to light nor to dark.

My biggest complaint with the previous IDW universe is that almost if not every single Autobot were less moral in this incarnation and it was especially jarring with Optimus and firggen Bumblebee of all bots.

I liked the Wreckers, and the Dinobots and Prowl as a few examples of grey scale Autobots but I don't like having no one that I personally would like to root for, the closest would probably be the LL crew and even then I think they have lost their charm and became witty line machines. (The worse of this comes with Rodimus who lost good character progression so he can be the worst non evil Autobot with a leading job ever)

I would like to have good courageous Autobots next time, even if it was a small team like a Bee team or something.

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:
That’s not going to happen. That’s just a huge slap to the face to the entire 13 years of stories to just have Unicron wipe the entire thing out.

They’re gonna win and it’ll end with the last page saying “Till all are One” or something we’ve seen a million times.

I guess I no longer need to read the comic then

Well why read it if you expect everyone to die? That’s not good story telling in any way.

I don’t understand why anyone would think Unicron killing the entire universe would be a good way to end it. Becuase it’s ending? Comics end all the time. Almost all my favorite books have concluded in the past couple and none of them ended with the entire universe being destroyed. They just concluded.

Robert Kirkman announced he was canceling invincible and ending it in a year last year and I don’t think there was a single person around that said “Oh I hope everyone dies in that series” and it didn’t. It had an amazing ending.

IDW announces theyre ending their universe and people...crazy people are all saying “Oh I hope Unicron kills EVERYONE!’” What the Hell?

Fandom is toxic. .

I was just kidding around. You made the ending sound so predictable that I just had to make some sort of comment about the futility of it all. I wasnt very serious.

Deadput wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There is always a middle ground. Between gore and guffaws. It's that plateau the Reboot needs to hit to engage with the maximum number of people.

That I agree a middle ground would be nice, not to light nor to dark.

My biggest complaint with the previous IDW universe is that almost if not every single Autobot were less moral in this incarnation and it was especially jarring with Optimus and firggen Bumblebee of all bots.

I liked the Wreckers, and the Dinobots and Prowl as a few examples of grey scale Autobots but I don't like having no one that I personally would like to root for, the closest would probably be the LL crew and even then I think they have lost their charm and became witty line machines. (The worse of this comes with Rodimus who lost good character progression so he can be the worst non evil Autobot with a leading job ever)

I would like to have good courageous Autobots next time, even if it was a small team like a Bee team or something.

My only complaint is the half-assed treatment of the Decepticons after the -Ations. They are FIFTY percent of the Franchise. Instead we get Writers that are too busy living out their Autobot fan-fiction to care about that fact. They even go on the make entirely new factions just so they don't have to write about Decepticons.

Well hopefully the new continuity will start without "Nails" and "Colonists" and capable writers who know what they are writing for. The series is called "Transformers", which refers to both sides equally.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Deadput wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:There is always a middle ground. Between gore and guffaws. It's that plateau the Reboot needs to hit to engage with the maximum number of people.

That I agree a middle ground would be nice, not to light nor to dark.

My biggest complaint with the previous IDW universe is that almost if not every single Autobot were less moral in this incarnation and it was especially jarring with Optimus and firggen Bumblebee of all bots.

I liked the Wreckers, and the Dinobots and Prowl as a few examples of grey scale Autobots but I don't like having no one that I personally would like to root for, the closest would probably be the LL crew and even then I think they have lost their charm and became witty line machines. (The worse of this comes with Rodimus who lost good character progression so he can be the worst non evil Autobot with a leading job ever)

I would like to have good courageous Autobots next time, even if it was a small team like a Bee team or something.

My only complaint is the half-assed treatment of the Decepticons after the -Ations. They are FIFTY percent of the Franchise. Instead we get Writers that are too busy living out their Autobot fan-fiction to care about that fact. They even go on the make entirely new factions just so they don't have to write about Decepticons.

Well hopefully the new continuity will start without "Nails" and "Colonists" and capable writers who know what they are writing for. The series is called "Transformers", which refers to both sides equally.

I can almost understand why they would explore the Autobots, in that telling stories of how the good guys aren't so good can be taken a number of ways. Plus, how many Autobots were there as opposed to Decepticons?

What I would've liked to have seen (and if it isn't around, don't flame me too much - I'm still making my way through) is a colony of Autobots and Decepticons, untouched by the war, trying to live peacefully together before the factions approach them proper to get them to choose a side. Similar to when Worf came across that colony of Klingons and Romulans living together in that one episode of ST:TNG. "Fight or Flee" from G1 kinda touched on this, but it was Autobot centric.

The colonies were kind of what you describe but only because they never had those factions in the first place. I'm also glad that Nails existed as it was never made clear that the whole population was supposed to be split down the middle so it would make sense that some would choose to leave cybertron instead of joining the factions that were making life miserable. Some folks just don't want to fight, and it would have been the same then. This is made more reasonable with the Autobots acting as a separate organisation on cybertron in idw. Basically before the decepticons appeared not everyone was an Autobot anyway apart from those that choose to.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes! Yes! Yes! Praise Primus!

It's 2 years overdue. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

I'm kinda disappointed to see Mairghread Scott go.

I agree 100%

Galactic Prime wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes! Yes! Yes! Praise Primus!

It's 2 years overdue. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

I'm kinda disappointed to see Mairghread Scott go.

I agree 100%

Wait, what?! She is leaving too?!?!?!

william-james88 wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes! Yes! Yes! Praise Primus!

It's 2 years overdue. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

I'm kinda disappointed to see Mairghread Scott go.

I agree 100%

Wait, what?! She is leaving too?!?!?!

Yup, though it's for the best as we can get some fresh talent in, some young fans with big ideas for the series instead of just rehashing what came before.

I thought Scott was fresh talent

I will most likely stop reading as well after issue 25, unless the new direction is truly fresh/compelling. I liked the focus post-Great War and fun characterizations Roberts brought with MTMTE, so perhaps new blood could provide new TFs to love/hate (like Tarn!). Milne was another reason I loved the series, so I also wonder where he's headed....

william-james88 wrote:I thought Scott was fresh talent

I considered her as such also. TAAO was pretty good, I wish it didn't get cancelled. But IDW didn't want to print more TF books, and Primus forbid they cancel the inferior product, which was Lost Light.

I thought the sales for ll were better than taao? There is also the thing that maybe she wanted a break for now (or a bigger publisher snapped her up)

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought the sales for ll were better than taao?

That may be, but it doesn't mean it's a better quality story. Having said that, I will wait until the end of Lost Light to judge the story itself. So far, it's disappointing to say the least. Once again, good riddance Mr. Overrated.