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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Always appreciate a Fastball Special .. Still not keen on the colour scheme of Rodimus though. I'm sure there are in-story reasons (and by "coincidence", a new toy) but it's just not him. He was always a character that visually popped, black and purple are far too generic within Transformers.

Nobodies forcing you to ignore the past 30+ years of him being red orange and yellow. It’s one continuity and there is no official toy with that deco.

I'm neither being forced into anything, nor complaining. I simply said I wasn't keen on the colour scheme. Purple, Black, Blue are very predominant colours within Transformers. There is even one of the new characters in LL (name escapes me) that more or less shares the same palette, to the extent they can be visually confused.
The "leader" should usually be visually distinct within most fiction. Whether he is G1 Red/Yellow/Magenta et al in that respect is neither here nor there.

See, this is a well thought out objection!

I don't agree with it, but it's worth a think and that's rad

Anyway I think it's meant to be another device in the story made to show that while Rodimus has a great deal of potential as a leader, he still has a long way to go. Whenever Magnus is in the same room, even outside of the armor he feels like the de facto leader casting a shadow on Rodimus. It wouldn't surprise me to see a return to his red/yellow closer to the end as a tipping point of some part of his arc.

ScottyP wrote:

AlphaBass wrote:Drift painted him this way to express grief for a fallen friend (Skids) and a promise to kill someone (Getaway).

Nothing at all to do with the promotion an upcoming toyline. Nope, nothing to see here. (/sarcasm)

Bless your heart, sarcasm only makes you look smart when you're right. Allow me to help.

This makes you look like a condescending prick.

misfire19d wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

AlphaBass wrote:Drift painted him this way to express grief for a fallen friend (Skids) and a promise to kill someone (Getaway).

Nothing at all to do with the promotion an upcoming toyline. Nope, nothing to see here. (/sarcasm)

Bless your heart, sarcasm only makes you look smart when you're right. Allow me to help.

This makes you look like a condescending prick.

Not necessary. I agree that it was a condescending comment, but it was directed at AlphaBass. If AlphaBass has a problem with it, they can work it out between them. And if you absolutely feel the need to let Scotty know how you feel, either do it without name-calling, or do it in a PM.

Let us not resort to name calling, please. Thanks much for the defense, but I don't want to start any (more) wars on here

Scotty - my point was more business related, in how toylines can sometimes dictate the direction of a story. My flippant comment was more for that
, but I should have made it more clear, and while Rodimus isn't the best example, I will take my re-education of Lauren Hillimus Prime gladly.

As far as LL's story, which seems to touch a nerve on here, I don't feel the same zeal since Dying of the Light. My post wasn't intended to be directly critical of the story, but I will admit to not being a fan of it. Can I believe that Roddy, ever the hotheaded irrational leader would change his color scheme so drastically? It fits with his character, certainly. But it seemed over the top, even for him (to me at least). And I'd been waiting for that one moment to draw me back in, (like Prime's return in DC, which made me go back and read the Shadowplay trilogy, or Megatron's return in DOTL), and stuff like focusing on a handful of the crew (Anode is as likable as a hammer to the face) and the Protectobots taking (seemingly) an L pushed me further away. Or Getaway's transformation after witnessing the horrors of slaughterhouse. JMO.

I know some don't share the same opinion, and that's great. It's what makes these discussions interesting. Just feel like LL is missing something.

We have two new pieces of cover art from IDW Publishing's comic series Transformers: Lost Light to share with you all, thanks to Previews World and their updated listings. For issue #20 (-5 to the end), Jack Lawrence (and unnamed colourist - Come ON) takes on both a regular variant and the retailer incentive covers, and we get to see not one, but two rematches between some of the most passionately thought about characters in the series so far: Rodimus vs Getaway, and Cyclonus vs Star Saber.

Take a look, read the solicit, and let us know what you think in the Energon Pub.

(W) James Roberts (A) Casey Coller (CA) Jack Lawrence
Rodimus vs. Getaway! Finally!
In Shops: Jul 11, 2018

In other Transformers: Lost Light news today, we have directly from IDW Publishing the full preview for this week's issue of the ongoing series, as we enter the final chapter in the Everlasting Voices story arc - ready to dive into its final story arc with the next issue, as the world ends.

Take a look at the opening pages below, and head back to Seibertron.com after its release for our regular comics review and discussion. It's bound to be a long, big one, too. Trust us.

Transformers: Lost Light #18
James Roberts (w) • Jack Lawrence (a)
LIGHTS OUT! The “Everlasting Voices” trilogy concludes with an explosion of hope, a grave betrayal… and more answers than you can handle! Events of the last six years build to a frenzy of revelations, casting everything that’s gone before in a new—and deadly—light. No exaggeration, no hyperbole: there has never been a more important issue of Lost Light.
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Bullet points:
Leads directly into the biggest story in the history of the Lost Light!
Cover A: Jack Lawrence
Cover B: Alex Milne
Cover RI: Alex Milne Black & White

huh, I wasn't notified about this. Looking forward to the end of this arc and then the finale.

The newly released cover images finally made it click in my head that the issue with Rodimus vs Getaway and (hopefully) Cyclonus vs Star Saber round 2, yes this issue, is being done by Casey Coller.

I like 95% of IDW's artists a lot, they do a great job. Coller may be on the top of the heap for me, easily up there with Milne as someone I know isn't going to disappoint. Can't wait to see his version of Star Saber!

O love Nautica. I love her as much as I love the ways Lost Light finds rediculous things to say in context But god is she terrifying sometimes. Primus help anyone if dhe decided to go Evil.

And they were just talkimg about laser fingers on the Podcast too...

There's no time for her to go evil now

ZeroWolf wrote:There's no time for her to go evil now

Not saying she even smwould, just saying she managed to bluff a half dozen (admittedly stupid) Decepticons with the old finger gun trick. What could she do if she really wanted to?

Become the true emperor of destruction...I mean...empress of destruction. I do hope all these new characters appear in the new continuity

Wingblade, given the unnatural push HasTak is making to push her into all media, is practically a certainty in the new continuity. I doubt any other new character, other than Drift maybe, will survive the leap.

Don't be too sure, nautica got a toy afterall.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Wingblade, given the unnatural push HasTak is making to push her into all media, is practically a certainty in the new continuity. I doubt any other new character, other than Drift maybe, will survive the leap.

Oh BS. If it’s a popular character they’ll return. It’s a new continuity of G1 and that roster just grows and grows thanks to IDW and new toys coming out. Characters like Xaaron, rack and ruin, Impactor all made their transition from the UK made their way into the current ara of transformers and characters like Nautica, Rung, Tarn, Roller, Tappet, Turmoil and Mistress of Flame will make their way too.

Not right away but eventually the fan favorite characters IDW created will show up.

This new continuity will be two things:

Radically different or a soft reboot to G1 with the 84 toyline being the focus like everything these days. Crash landing on earth, a small group of humans discovering them and making friends and fighting the Decepticons who are evil because they’re written to be evil.

It’s the thing now. Reboot it to the status quo because it’s safe

Actually it happened with DW as well as characters like the Fallen, who jumped into other media.

If they have a toy, they have a better chance of survival.

Randomhero wrote: a soft reboot to G1 with the 84 toyline being the focus like everything these days. Crash landing on earth, a small group of humans discovering them and making friends and fighting the Decepticons who are evil because they’re written to be evil.

Addressing the Elephant in the room, but when has this actually happened, post-1984???

Dream Wave, perhaps? Outside of that, which I haven't read so wouldn't know, No cartoon or comic I've seen has ever reused the 1984 framework. IDW certainly didn't, nor did Beast Wars/Machines and the cartoons that followed them. I see a lot of chatter decrying this as a certainty, but I don't know where the basis for it stems from?

Transformers isn't really in the same boat as say, He-Man. Wherein the 2002 cartoon & toys predominantly relied on appealing to the nostalgia of it's original fanbase. Mattel realised too late, that to exclusively fixate on the old fans is a liability to your future success IE The show and toyline were soon cancelled and other than a single comic, He-Man hasn't been onscreen and/or relevant to pop culture in 15/16 years.

I didn't think the recent DC heman series was that bad. Also didn't Animated start with the bits crash landing on earth, befriending humans and fighting evil cons? And the same with Prime?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:If they have a toy, they have a better chance of survival.

Randomhero wrote: a soft reboot to G1 with the 84 toyline being the focus like everything these days. Crash landing on earth, a small group of humans discovering them and making friends and fighting the Decepticons who are evil because they’re written to be evil.

Addressing the Elephant in the room, but when has this actually happened, post-1984???

Dream Wave, perhaps? Outside of that, which I haven't read so wouldn't know, No cartoon or comic I've seen has ever reused the 1984 framework. IDW certainly didn't, nor did Beast Wars/Machines and the cartoons that followed them. I see a lot of chatter decrying this as a certainty, but I don't know where the basis for it stems from?

Transformers isn't really in the same boat as say, He-Man. Wherein the 2002 cartoon & toys predominantly relied on appealing to the nostalgia of it's original fanbase. Mattel realised too late, that to exclusively fixate on the old fans is a liability to your future success IE The show and toyline were soon cancelled and other than a single comic, He-Man hasn't been onscreen and/or relevant to pop culture in 15/16 years.

IDW did do it though. Just last year with retconning hearts of steel. Transformers crashing on earth and fighting. Granted it was all the machinations if shockwave but it’s still happened

Armada did it too. The cartoon and comics had the minicons crash on earth and starting the war there.

Devils due did it too with their Transformers VS G.I. Joe series

And don’t forget about animated. That was the start too. Crashing on earth

Also you should probably go back and watch beast wars. It opens with the maximals and predacons fighting in orbit and crashing on earth lol

Also beast machines revealed they also crashed when they came home

Edit: oh! Don’t forget RID that also dealt with a ship crash landing on earth releasing a bunch of Decepticons

ZeroWolf wrote:I didn't think the recent DC heman series was that bad. Also didn't Animated start with the bits crash landing on earth, befriending humans and fighting evil cons? And the same with Prime?

The DC Helman series was a wonderful mess that I enjoyed until I got so confused by stuff happening I gave up.

Randomhero wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:If they have a toy, they have a better chance of survival.

Randomhero wrote: a soft reboot to G1 with the 84 toyline being the focus like everything these days. Crash landing on earth, a small group of humans discovering them and making friends and fighting the Decepticons who are evil because they’re written to be evil.

Addressing the Elephant in the room, but when has this actually happened, post-1984???

Dream Wave, perhaps? Outside of that, which I haven't read so wouldn't know, No cartoon or comic I've seen has ever reused the 1984 framework. IDW certainly didn't, nor did Beast Wars/Machines and the cartoons that followed them. I see a lot of chatter decrying this as a certainty, but I don't know where the basis for it stems from?

Transformers isn't really in the same boat as say, He-Man. Wherein the 2002 cartoon & toys predominantly relied on appealing to the nostalgia of it's original fanbase. Mattel realised too late, that to exclusively fixate on the old fans is a liability to your future success IE The show and toyline were soon cancelled and other than a single comic, He-Man hasn't been onscreen and/or relevant to pop culture in 15/16 years.

IDW did do it though. Just last year with retconning hearts of steel. Transformers crashing on earth and fighting. Granted it was all the machinations if shockwave but it’s still happened

Armada did it too. The cartoon and comics had the minicons crash on earth and starting the war there.

Devils due did it too with their Transformers VS G.I. Joe series

And don’t forget about animated. That was the start too. Crashing on earth

Also you should probably go back and watch beast wars. It opens with the maximals and predacons fighting in orbit and crashing on earth lol

Also beast machines revealed they also crashed when they came home

Edit: oh! Don’t forget RID that also dealt with a ship crash landing on earth releasing a bunch of Decepticons

Moral of this story: Cybertronians are TERRIBLE Pilots.

Flashwave wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:If they have a toy, they have a better chance of survival.

Randomhero wrote: a soft reboot to G1 with the 84 toyline being the focus like everything these days. Crash landing on earth, a small group of humans discovering them and making friends and fighting the Decepticons who are evil because they’re written to be evil.

Addressing the Elephant in the room, but when has this actually happened, post-1984???

Dream Wave, perhaps? Outside of that, which I haven't read so wouldn't know, No cartoon or comic I've seen has ever reused the 1984 framework. IDW certainly didn't, nor did Beast Wars/Machines and the cartoons that followed them. I see a lot of chatter decrying this as a certainty, but I don't know where the basis for it stems from?

Transformers isn't really in the same boat as say, He-Man. Wherein the 2002 cartoon & toys predominantly relied on appealing to the nostalgia of it's original fanbase. Mattel realised too late, that to exclusively fixate on the old fans is a liability to your future success IE The show and toyline were soon cancelled and other than a single comic, He-Man hasn't been onscreen and/or relevant to pop culture in 15/16 years.

IDW did do it though. Just last year with retconning hearts of steel. Transformers crashing on earth and fighting. Granted it was all the machinations if shockwave but it’s still happened

Armada did it too. The cartoon and comics had the minicons crash on earth and starting the war there.

Devils due did it too with their Transformers VS G.I. Joe series

And don’t forget about animated. That was the start too. Crashing on earth

Also you should probably go back and watch beast wars. It opens with the maximals and predacons fighting in orbit and crashing on earth lol

Also beast machines revealed they also crashed when they came home

Edit: oh! Don’t forget RID that also dealt with a ship crash landing on earth releasing a bunch of Decepticons

Moral of this story: Cybertronians are TERRIBLE Pilots.

Movies too! The ark crashed on the moon in dark of the moon!

And megatron crashed on earth in the first movie. Only series where I think no one crashed was the first rid and prime.

ZeroWolf wrote:And megatron crashed on earth in the first movie. Only series where I think no one crashed was the first rid and prime.

Scourges commando crew in RID I think and Wheeljack in prime. Though those arnt things that kicked off the series as a theme

So how about issue 18, eh? Loved it and without giving anything away, it delivered on a big twist in a smart way that's way cooler and more sinister than anything I'd speculated.