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I really don't like the convoluted story behind Wheeljack's revival, it could've been vastly streamlined without time travel/alt universes blah blah blah (no one mention Prowl either )

Vio, len & Jiger should've been different colours once they took on the old Dai Atlas (& friends) bodies.


On a side note i really dislike non transformer decepticon leaders DevilZ, ViolenJiger & maybe Scrash etc

ZeroWolf wrote:Aside from that confusing element the rest is pretty good, also which storyline was it when Prime returned to his g1 form instead of his star convoy body?

He took on his MP-10 body after G2, around the time when Megatron (in his then-new Leader class toy body) first left the JG1 world for the Legends World. So, this 2038 setting would be around that post-G2 time.

Whereas he took on his Star Convoy body earlier during the still-undated time between 2025 (Victory) and 2035 (Operation Combination, United EX, and Metrowars), after the events of Zone that also took place somewhere during this decade.

Coptur wrote:I really don't like the convoluted story behind Wheeljack's revival, it could've been vastly streamlined without time travel/alt universes blah blah blah (no one mention Prowl either )

Well, that was all Ichikawa's doing back in that "Controverse" story. Sakamoto, here, is innocent on that one.

Coptur wrote:Vio, len & Jiger should've been different colours once they took on the old Dai Atlas (& friends) bodies.

But then Vion, Lenja, and Igern wouldn't have been able to fool the other Autobots into letting them get as close to the Zodiac as they did before they tried to take it by force.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Aside from that confusing element the rest is pretty good, also which storyline was it when Prime returned to his g1 form instead of his star convoy body?

He took on his MP-10 body after G2, around the time when Megatron (in his then-new Leader class toy body) first left the JG1 world for the Legends World. So, this 2038 setting would be around that post-G2 time.

Whereas he took on his Star Convoy body earlier during the still-undated time between 2025 (Victory) and 2035 (Operation Combination, United EX, and Metrowars), after the events of Zone that also took place somewhere during this decade.

Coptur wrote:I really don't like the convoluted story behind Wheeljack's revival, it could've been vastly streamlined without time travel/alt universes blah blah blah (no one mention Prowl either )

Well, that was all Ichikawa's doing back in that "Controverse" story. Sakamoto, here, is innocent on that one.

true but it still hurts the grey matter lol

Coptur wrote:Vion, Lenja, and Igern should've been different colours once they took on the old Dai Atlas (& friends) bodies.

Sabrblade wrote:But then Vion, Lenja, and Igern wouldn't have been able to fool the other Autobots into letting them get as close to the Zodiac as they did before they tried to take it by force.

Very true but i was thinking 'hey guys where's the repaint fodder' lol

Surprise! Yet another online PDF manga chapter! This time continuing the last one that we saw Repugnus and Grotusque in:

https://takaratomymall.jp/img/goods/4904810120193/comic3.pdf

Its title is "The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 3"

Hooboy, lots to unpack in this one!

My best interpretation:

So, this follows up from the previous Monsterbots manga chapter that came out before the previous chapter that instead dealt with Dai Atlas and the Powered Masters. It's the year 2038 of the G1 World, during the G2 Era when Galvatron II is still in command of the Decepticons. He comes to the planet Beast wanting to steal the planet's Beast Power, arriving with a small army of G2 Decepticons and... Artificial Planet Nemesis from Beast Wars Second?!!!!

Well, since "Destron" in Japan refers to both the Decepticons of G1/G2 and the Predacons of the Beast Era, I guess Sakamoto can get away with the term being indistinguishable between the two generations of 'Cons. Though, from our Western perspective, this now means that Nemesis wasn't built by Predacon science, but by Decepticon science.

Anyway, as the G2 Decepticons attack, the denizens of Planet Beast fight back, a combined army of Beastformers and Laser Beasts, now led by White Lune, who's dressed in a robe and armed with a staff. The G2 Decepticon Dreadwing fights off the Beast army with a new mode, the Dread Roadblock Mode, which resembles a sort of base mode or artillery platform. The Cyberjets likewise show off a new Power Up with more weapons. The two Monsterbots, meanwhile, are stuck in monster mode since they can't transform without their Headmaster partners.

Luckily, the frozen White Leo and Tigerburn are released from their crystallized state and join forces to enter the fray. White Leo becomes Doublecross's head for the first time in 15 years, while Tigerburn merges once more with the Headmaster Warrior Lione (this time in in a mutual willingness) and becomes a new head for Grotusque (since Platinum Tiger is still secluded back inside the Holography Mirror from two chapters ago).

As the Decepticons chase Rattrap, he drops what I presume to be the last living plant of the Legends World. As he risks his life to retrieve it, the plant sprouts into a Baby Groot-like lifeform that fights back against the Decepticon Laser Rods, introducing herself to Rattrap as Botanica.

As Nemesis continues to absorb more and more Beast Power, Galvatron draws it all into his Creation Matrix. But then Repugnus and Hedgehog arrive with an army of Repug Armors, now called "KoRepugs" ("Ko-" being a Japanese prefix referring to small, cute, or baby things, like "neko" means "cat" while "koneko" means "kitten"), and sends each KoRepug up to engage Nemesis, but Galvatron blasts them all aside before they could reach the artificial planet.

After some discussion between the Legends World survivors inside the Axalon, they decide to fly up the ship towards Nemesis and take it on themselves. Atop the ship are Leo Prime, Lio Convoy, and Junior. Leo Prime crosses his arms (doing the same pose as the Headmaster Juniors and Godmasters from Masterforce when they would turn from human form into armored suit form yelling "Masterforce!") and uses his own energy to turn everyone inside the ship into Transformer bodies, making everyone look like their G1 World counterparts from the Beast Wars, Beast Wars Second, and Beast Wars Neo cartoons. All except for Leo Prime and Lio Convoy, who keep their present form so that Leo Prime can still fucntion as Lio Convoy's Headmaster.

A massive beam is fired at Nemesis, disabling it and forcing the other Decepticons to retreat, much to Galvatron's ire. Things get a little crazy inside the now-likely cramped Axalon with all of the Maximals and Predacons now in their bigger Transformer bodies. Leo Prime then comes to Optimus Primal and Big Convoy and convinces them to join him in a "Triple Beast Convoy Matrix Attack" that appears to fully cripple Nemesis for good (but if this all still takes place before its appearance in Beast Wars Second, then that means that it's gotta be fixed later on for the events of that cartoon to still happen).

Galvatron, meanwhile, is not that upset over the loss of Nemesis, since he did still get the Beast Power stored inside his Creation Matrix. He then holds the defeated Monsterbots at cannon-point and recalls how had had previously defeated the Autobots back in his own reality, complete with a flashback panel showing the dead Rodimus Prime strung up between the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center (as seen back in the Marvel G1 issue "Rhythms of Darkness!").

As they lie in defeat, the Monsterbots' entire life flashes before their eyes, with a big flashback showing the creation of the Dinobots in 1985 (G1 seasons 1 and 2 both took place in 1985 in Japan since they were one long run of episodes instead of two separate seasons spanning 1984-1985 like they were in the West), Spike mentioning Vector Sigma to Wheeljack and Ratchet (I'm guessing this implies that the Dinobots were given actual souls by Vector Sigma at some point after their creation). Then we see the Monsterbots being built by Perceptor and the second Wheeljack (the first Wheeljack died in TFTM, this second one came to this world from the Binaltech world) in 2011 during early on in The Headmasters since Rodimus Prime is back in command at this time. Dialogue from Wheeljack suggests that the three were built as a response to the Sharkticons, G1 Predacons, and Terrorcons all being animal-based Transformers used by the enemy, so these three will give the Autobots some more animal-based TFs of their own. Then we see the Monsterbots' reassignment to Planet Beast, as such had occurred in The Headmasters. They stuck around and helped the Beastformers fight in the war against the Laser Beasts, and eventually became Headmasters during more recent events.

The flashback ends and White Leo, Tigerburn/Lione, and Hedgehog are disengaged from the Monsterbots, whose bodies get fried by Galvatron (fitting, since the dialogue refers to them by their Japanese name of "Firebots"). But then, the Three Wise Ones of ancient Beastformer history arrive on the scene. Taking a page from White Leo, they too then become new Headmaster forms to merge with the Monsterbots; said forms represented here by three Power of the Primes Prime Masters. The Three Wise Ones prepare to engage Galvatron as the manga reaches its cliffhanger ending that is to be continued...

Here are the images from the PDF. Thanks for the news Saberblade!

And now the full English summary, correcting anything I missed/got wrong in my previous interpretation - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Road_to_Legends%27_Revival_Chapter_3

Rattrap returns to the Axalon with the Monsterbots in tow and tells the other Legends World evacuees where and when they have landed, but the explanation is interrupted when a gigantic object enters Beast's atmosphere: the Nemesis, a giant starship constructed by Galvatron II to drain the planet of its Beast Power. Initially surprised by the ship's appearance in the wrong era, Leo Prime realizes that while he knew its creator was a "Galvatron", he had mistakenly assumed it to be his era's Galvatron. Galvatron deploys his Decepticon army and a battle breaks out when the now allied Beastformers and Laser Beasts arrive to defend their world, led by Queen White Lune who speaks of a prophecy claiming White Leo and Tigerburn will return during a great crisis. Indeed, the two break out of their crystal prison and join the fray, much to the joy of Doublecross who was unable to battle in robot mode without Leo as his Headmaster. Grotusque is similarly afflicted, so Lione voluntarily re-merges with Tigerburn to provide him with a head.

Elsewhere, Rattrap drops a potted plant in the chaos and scrambles to retrieve it, the pot containing the last remaining soil of the Legends World. He nearly gets stepped on by Jolt when the plant suddenly defends him with a force field, revealing that the planet's Beast Power has evolved her into a sentient being named Botanica, before kissing Rattrap as thanks for protecting her. The Nemesis begins absorbing Beast Power and transmitting it into Galvatron's Creation Matrix, much to the concern of Rattrap who believes the energy will be key to reviving the Legends World. As Repugnus's army of drones is blasted out of the sky by Galvatron when they try to attack the ship, the Legends natives resolve to lend a hand and launch aboard the Axalon, where Leo Prime employs Transformers sickness to awaken their inner beasts and transform them into their "true" Beast Era forms. The Axalon pierces the Nemesis and the powered up Legends warriors proceed to cause havoc within, culminating in Optimus Primal, Leo Prime, and Big Convoy destroying the ship's core with a Triple Beast Convoy Matrix Attack. Galvatron isn't overly dismayed by the ship crashing into the planet as his Matrix has already been filled with plenty of Beast Energy, and he turns his cannon on the defeated Monsterbots while gloating that he will first destroy the Autobots, much like he did in his original dimension, and then he will go on to conquer all dimensions. White Leo and Tigerburn remain defiant, but the Monsterbots are ready to accept their fate...

While completing the Dinobots on Earth in 1985, Wheeljack and Ratchet explain to Spike that without Vector Sigma they cannot create true robotic life, advising him to see the Dinobots as something akin to animals instead. Wheeljack goes on to create the Monsterbots in 2011, programming them to be stupid to ensure they won't go on a rampage, but by now he feels "animal" robots like them are the same type of lifeform as other Transformers, just less intelligent. Deemed unsuitable for combat because of their silly personalities, the Monsterbots end up stationed on Beast where they're treated as equals by the Beastformers, and over time they develop higher intelligences equal to other Transformers.

Voicing their gratitude, the Monsterbots remove their Beastformer Headmasters and toss them to safety before being blasted by Galvatron. Suddenly, three of Beast's mystical Gems appear and speak, praising the Monsterbots' selfless spirits before transforming into their true forms—the legendary Three Wise Ones! Recognizing that their power is needed to protect Beast, they adopt robotic forms, transform into mechanical versions of the gems and combine with the Monsterbots, announcing that the time for "true evolution" has come.

So does this mean that canonically 'Prime Masters' do in fact have the ability to become headmasters proper and isn't just some leftover shared engineering?

Fellow Seibertronian Saberblade has informed us that a new Legends comic, entitled The Road to Legends 27 Revival Chapter 3, is now available online from Takara. It is filled to the brim with action and fun appearances of Battle Beasts, Monster Bots, Galvatron and so much more. We also have the full English summary, which was found here: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Road_to_Legends%27_Revival_Chapter_3.
You can see the images of the manga below followed by the summary.























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Rattrap returns to the Axalon with the Monsterbots in tow and tells the other Legends World evacuees where and when they have landed, but the explanation is interrupted when a gigantic object enters Beast's atmosphere: the Nemesis, a giant starship constructed by Galvatron II to drain the planet of its Beast Power. Initially surprised by the ship's appearance in the wrong era, Leo Prime realizes that while he knew its creator was a "Galvatron", he had mistakenly assumed it to be his era's Galvatron. Galvatron deploys his Decepticon army and a battle breaks out when the now allied Beastformers and Laser Beasts arrive to defend their world, led by Queen White Lune who speaks of a prophecy claiming White Leo and Tigerburn will return during a great crisis. Indeed, the two break out of their crystal prison and join the fray, much to the joy of Doublecross who was unable to battle in robot mode without Leo as his Headmaster. Grotusque is similarly afflicted, so Lione voluntarily re-merges with Tigerburn to provide him with a head.

Elsewhere, Rattrap drops a potted plant in the chaos and scrambles to retrieve it, the pot containing the last remaining soil of the Legends World. He nearly gets stepped on by Jolt when the plant suddenly defends him with a force field, revealing that the planet's Beast Power has evolved her into a sentient being named Botanica, before kissing Rattrap as thanks for protecting her. The Nemesis begins absorbing Beast Power and transmitting it into Galvatron's Creation Matrix, much to the concern of Rattrap who believes the energy will be key to reviving the Legends World. As Repugnus's army of drones is blasted out of the sky by Galvatron when they try to attack the ship, the Legends natives resolve to lend a hand and launch aboard the Axalon, where Leo Prime employs Transformers sickness to awaken their inner beasts and transform them into their "true" Beast Era forms. The Axalon pierces the Nemesis and the powered up Legends warriors proceed to cause havoc within, culminating in Optimus Primal, Leo Prime, and Big Convoy destroying the ship's core with a Triple Beast Convoy Matrix Attack. Galvatron isn't overly dismayed by the ship crashing into the planet as his Matrix has already been filled with plenty of Beast Energy, and he turns his cannon on the defeated Monsterbots while gloating that he will first destroy the Autobots, much like he did in his original dimension, and then he will go on to conquer all dimensions. White Leo and Tigerburn remain defiant, but the Monsterbots are ready to accept their fate...

While completing the Dinobots on Earth in 1985, Wheeljack and Ratchet explain to Spike that without Vector Sigma they cannot create true robotic life, advising him to see the Dinobots as something akin to animals instead. Wheeljack goes on to create the Monsterbots in 2011, programming them to be stupid to ensure they won't go on a rampage, but by now he feels "animal" robots like them are the same type of lifeform as other Transformers, just less intelligent. Deemed unsuitable for combat because of their silly personalities, the Monsterbots end up stationed on Beast where they're treated as equals by the Beastformers, and over time they develop higher intelligences equal to other Transformers.

Voicing their gratitude, the Monsterbots remove their Beastformer Headmasters and toss them to safety before being blasted by Galvatron. Suddenly, three of Beast's mystical Gems appear and speak, praising the Monsterbots' selfless spirits before transforming into their true forms—the legendary Three Wise Ones! Recognizing that their power is needed to protect Beast, they adopt robotic forms, transform into mechanical versions of the gems and combine with the Monsterbots, announcing that the time for "true evolution" has come.

Hey!

*points at G1 Toy Galvatron

I'm in the comic!

not really, yours doesnt have the sticker sheet i bet from the ehobby version, that includes those weird lines

TrypticonCarne wrote:not really, yours doesnt have the sticker sheet i bet from the ehobby version, that includes those weird lines

My avatar is just G1 Galvatron in G1 toy colors, with blue eyes and an Autobot symbol instead of a Decepticon one

Nathaniel Prime wrote:

TrypticonCarne wrote:not really, yours doesnt have the sticker sheet i bet from the ehobby version, that includes those weird lines

My avatar is just G1 Galvatron in G1 toy colors, with blue eyes and an Autobot symbol instead of a Decepticon one

What avatar?

TrypticonCarne wrote:

Nathaniel Prime wrote:

TrypticonCarne wrote:not really, yours doesnt have the sticker sheet i bet from the ehobby version, that includes those weird lines

My avatar is just G1 Galvatron in G1 toy colors, with blue eyes and an Autobot symbol instead of a Decepticon one

What avatar?

When I upload one

Nathaniel Prime wrote:Hey!

*points at G1 Toy Galvatron

I'm in the comic!

It's Galvatron II.

Sabrblade wrote:

Nathaniel Prime wrote:Hey!

*points at G1 Toy Galvatron

I'm in the comic!

It's Galvatron II.

Yeah I know it is


Kinda ruined the joke, but then again, no one really understood it

Some extra tidbit from my previous interpretation of the comic that aren't mentioned in the summary:

Sabrblade wrote:It's the year 2038 of the G1 World, during the G2 Era when Galvatron II is still in command of the Decepticons.

Sabrblade wrote:since "Destron" in Japan refers to both the Decepticons of G1/G2 and the Predacons of the Beast Era, I guess Sakamoto can get away with the term being indistinguishable between the two generations of 'Cons. Though, from our Western perspective, this now means that Nemesis wasn't built by Predacon science, but by Decepticon science.

Sabrblade wrote:The G2 Decepticon Dreadwing fights... with a new mode, the Dread Roadblock Mode, which resembles a sort of base mode or artillery platform. The Cyberjets likewise show off a new Power Up with more weapons.

^ Said weapons are those that were to have been part of a plan for reissues of the Cyberjets that Takara was planning way back in 1995, which would have all new weapons retooled onto their arms. But, this plan never come to pass, leaving these weapon retools ultimately unreleased. Anyway,

Sabrblade wrote:White Leo becomes Doublecross's head for the first time in 15 years, while Tigerburn merges once more with the Headmaster Warrior Lione (this time in in a mutual willingness) and becomes a new head for Grotusque (since Platinum Tiger is still secluded back inside the Holography Mirror from two chapters ago).

Sabrblade wrote:Repugnus and Hedgehog arrive with an army of Repug Armors, now called "KoRepugs" ("Ko-" being a Japanese prefix referring to small, cute, or baby things, like "neko" means "cat" while "koneko" means "kitten"), and sends each KoRepug up to engage Nemesis,

Sabrblade wrote:Leo Prime crosses his arms (doing the same pose as the Headmaster Juniors and Godmasters from Masterforce when they would turn from human form into armored suit form yelling "Masterforce!")

Sabrblade wrote:a "Triple Beast Convoy Matrix Attack"... appears to fully cripple Nemesis for good (but if this all still takes place before its appearance in Beast Wars Second, then that means that it's gotta be fixed later on for the events of that cartoon to still happen).

Sabrblade wrote:Galvatron... recalls how he had previously defeated the Autobots back in his own reality, complete with a flashback panel showing the dead Rodimus Prime strung up between the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center (as seen back in the Marvel G1 issue "Rhythms of Darkness!").

Sabrblade wrote:...the creation of the Dinobots in 1985 (G1 seasons 1 and 2 both took place in 1985 in Japan since they were one long run of episodes instead of two separate seasons spanning 1984-1985 like they were in the West),

Sabrblade wrote:Then we see the Monsterbots being built by Perceptor and the second Wheeljack (the first Wheeljack died in TFTM, this second one came to this world from the Binaltech world) in 2011 during early on in The Headmasters since Rodimus Prime is back in command at this time.

Sabrblade wrote:...the Monsterbots, whose bodies get fried by Galvatron (fitting, since the dialogue refers to them by their Japanese name of "Firebots").

That was surprising. Those Prime masters originally appeared in the Power of the Primes toyline.

Albatross250 wrote:That was surprising. Those Prime masters originally appeared in the Power of the Primes toyline.

Mind you, they're not really 3 of the 13 Primes (Micronus, Nexus and Prima): rather the Three Wise Ones take robotic forms in order to interface with the Monsterbot bodies like the Battle Beasts before them. Given their supposed divine nature, the design of 3 PotP Prime Master were repurposed for that goal.

And one more Easter Egg: Hooligan riding Road Pig is a direct reference to the G-2 pack-in comics:



#12 to be exact, included with... Road Pig.

Looking at the news post, I just realized... What's that 27 doing in the title?

Sabrblade wrote:Looking at the news post, I just realized... What's that 27 doing in the title?

Artifact from the TFWiki link. To be precise, the "%27" is the code for the apostrophe ' in the title.

This review of Repugnus has posted both his and Grotusque's Legends pack-in manga chapters:

Anyone who made fan modes with Repugnus' and Grotusque's Beast Mode heads in Robot Mode should be feeling really good now, as it's now canon! By placing the Headmaster Beastformer in the cockpit (Get On!), tweaking the chest panels on Repugnus and folding over the claws on Grotusque, in addition to using that Beast Head, one can create the "Beastformer Mode".

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Anyone who made fan modes with Repugnus' and Grotusque's Beast Mode heads in Robot Mode should be feeling really good now, as it's now canon! By placing the Headmaster Beastformer in the cockpit (Get On!), tweaking the chest panels on Repugnus and folding over the claws on Grotusque, in addition to using that Beast Head, one can create the "Beastformer Mode".

Oh neat, I didn't catch that the Monsterbots and their Beastformer partners are now Getmasters. Cool.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Anyone who made fan modes with Repugnus' and Grotusque's Beast Mode heads in Robot Mode should be feeling really good now, as it's now canon! By placing the Headmaster Beastformer in the cockpit (Get On!), tweaking the chest panels on Repugnus and folding over the claws on Grotusque, in addition to using that Beast Head, one can create the "Beastformer Mode".

Oh neat, I didn't catch that the Monsterbots and their Beastformer partners are now Getmasters. Cool.

Not too sure if Doublecross can be one, that would involve totally transforming his upper torso, leaving him with his dragon arms and robot legs.

Somehow that reminds me of the concept behind the Beast Masks from Beast Wars.