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I recently have gotten my hands on pretty much everyone (not in comic form though, that would be way to expensive!) and I started with the Generation 1 series by DW, and I am on the 3rd series of that. Which line is your favorite comic line?

also does the DW line tie into the comics and cartoon movie?

I've spentso much money lately trying to complete Dreamweave and IDW g1 sets, almost got em all!

I'd say my favorite have been the universe and wreckers series from botcon or whatever, which were hard to track down.

Stormbringer was great.

And suprisingly, i said id never buy a beast wars book, but iwent and bought the gathering series, and wow that was awsome. I'm psyched for ascending series now.

Oh you knwo what else was pretty good, but not as good as the previous, dreamwave transformers/gi.joe, where it was set in the past, like 60 years ago something, that was nice. I was tired of joe/tf comics, but that one caught my eye.

OH, and evolutions hearts of steel by IDW realy impressed me.

SO.. lol..

1. Universe/Wreckers
2. Stormbringer
3. Beast Wars Gathering
4. Evolutions

Megatron origins is sort of looking good, sort of .. not a hard read.. but doesnt seem smooth, lots of jumping around. TF/Avengers, will see how that turns out.. seems like an interesting story so far.

zacher2004 wrote:
also does the DW line tie into the comics and cartoon movie?

The 2007 movie? or the 86 movie? Neither I don't think.. it's a slightly different continuity, the DW series, if i recall. (been reading so many different continuities its hard to remember what the hell is going on)

yeah i meant the 86 one. The owner of some comic shop here is told me that it took place between the season 2 and the movie, but it didn't add up while reading it, especailly the second series.

zacher2004 wrote:yeah i meant the 86 one. The owner of some comic shop here is told me that it took place between the season 2 and the movie, but it didn't add up while reading it, especailly the second series.

Yeah that doesnt seem right

I pretty much like from DW. So far:
-G1 Vol2.
-MTMTE
-All the WarWithin vol1 to 3.
-And from IDW Magnus spotlight.
-Marvel UK Target 2006.

At the moment I'd definitly have to say the IDW G1 books. I'm considering the whole continuity as an ongoing title here rather than saying this mini or that mini. Character driven and with lots of depth and plots within plots. Sort of reminds me of Dune in some respects. As an added bonus after the whole DW debarcle the G1 universe is safely back in the hands of Mr Furman where it belongs.

I definitely prefer the G1 storyline right now. The spotlights have also been great.

I have ordered the Evolutions one but it may take a few weeks to get it, if I get it at all. I'm really hoping it's good.

Speaking objectively, IDW's run is probably tops - in terms of quality of writing and sophistication it's the best.

But... Well, there is no objectivity: Marvel UK and early Marvel US can't be beaten. Not only are they great comics, but so many memories are tied up with them, and it's hard to shake that nostalgia.

waaaaghlord wrote:At the moment I'd definitly have to say the IDW G1 books. I'm considering the whole continuity as an ongoing title here rather than saying this mini or that mini. Character driven and with lots of depth and plots within plots. Sort of reminds me of Dune in some respects. As an added bonus after the whole DW debarcle the G1 universe is safely back in the hands of Mr Furman where it belongs.

I agree with waaaaghlord. IDW is doing fantastic stuff.

I heard that. So far, I only have the Escalation and Spotlight TPB (is that how you say it?), but already, I love the IDW-verse. I desperately want to grab Infiltrations, Stormbringer, and BW: the Gathering.

The only IDW comics I haven't liked are Megatron Origin and the movie adaptation, because the art was so poor. Evolutions was a bit meh, too.

Everything else is gold.

I'd have to say IDW's G1, it's closely followed by G1 Marvel UK and War Within.

Bigchin wrote:The only IDW comics I haven't liked are Megatron Origin and the movie adaptation, because the art was so poor. Evolutions was a bit meh, too.

Everything else is gold.

Evolutions is meh? Good thing I got it for less than 15 bucks then (if it's in stock). I don't think the art in Megatron Origin is poor, just a bit cluttered. You can't understand everything that is going on unless you read it a couple times. And I thought the art in the movie adaptation was pretty good. If you can draw movie Megatron or movie anybody, more power to you.

Bigchin wrote:The only IDW comics I haven't liked are Megatron Origin and the movie adaptation, because the art was so poor. Evolutions was a bit meh, too.

Everything else is gold.

I agree. Evolutions was just dull compared to everything else IDW has put out. I haven't read the Megatron Origin though I will probably get it in September/October.

Hotrod wrote:I agree with waaaaghlord. IDW is doing fantastic stuff.

If you keep agreeing with me like this I might not have to keep the first one in my sig. We're TF fans, we're not supposed to be able to agree on anything

As Bigchin rightly identified them, Marvel UK and early Marvel US hold a special place for me as they were pretty much 'my' Transformers for so many years. I didn't watch much of the cartoon and thought most of what I watched was silly; I completely missed Beast Wars the first time around, as it certainly wasn't shown any time I was watching TV; but I still got by on fond memories and re-readings of old comics.


But now... I almost hate to say it, but IDW are slowly usurping their place as the most detailed and compelling version of Transformers ever done. Almost, but of course that admission is hardly a bad situation in itself!

If IDW can sustain their quality over anything even approaching the period the Marvel series spanned, they're set to be damn near untouchable.

Glyph wrote:As Bigchin rightly identified them, Marvel UK and early Marvel US hold a special place for me as they were pretty much 'my' Transformers for so many years. I didn't watch much of the cartoon and thought most of what I watched was silly; I completely missed Beast Wars the first time around, as it certainly wasn't shown any time I was watching TV; but I still got by on fond memories and re-readings of old comics.


But now... I almost hate to say it, but IDW are slowly usurping their place as the most detailed and compelling version of Transformers ever done. Almost, but of course that admission is hardly a bad situation in itself!

If IDW can sustain their quality over anything even approaching the period the Marvel series spanned, they're set to be damn near untouchable.

hey, i feel exactly the same. the old marvel comics were some of my first forays into TFs, and some of the old storylines are still dear to me. though granted, the artwork is leaves something to be desired of.

remember the time megs got stuck in his gun mode and he was used by a petty criminal to become a crime don? that was classic. and oh, don't forget the time OP's head was disembodied and used to create new 'cons. i could go on and on...

you're right on IDW. except that i hate how the character depictions between comic series varies. i.e. BB from escalation looks different from the other comics.

Stormwolf wrote:I'd have to say IDW's G1, it's closely followed by G1 Marvel UK and War Within.

Im another IDW ongoing (Infiltration/Escalation/Devastation) fan, the Spotlights make the ongoing even better.

Of the older stuff, the G1 UK comics are standouts, Furman wrote such better comics than Budiansky, but the G2 comics are also right up there.

War within was a great idea, but with WWi3 never being finished, and with all the confusion that the ongoing DW G1 and the Micromasters minis really tore chunks out of the good work WWi had done.

I still love War Within, even in its incomplete form. It's the only way I can like Grimlock. Although I hate Jetfire's appearance. He kinda looks like Robocop did without his mask.

Glyph wrote:Marvel UK and early Marvel US hold a special place for me as they were pretty much 'my' Transformers for so many years.

But now... I almost hate to say it, but IDW are slowly usurping their place as the most detailed and compelling version of Transformers ever done. Almost, but of course that admission is hardly a bad situation in itself!

I'm the same! I've got this weird guilty feeling about how close IDW are coming to taking Marvel's crown.

Moonbase2 wrote:I don't think the art in Megatron Origin is poor, just a bit cluttered. You can't understand everything that is going on unless you read it a couple times. And I thought the art in the movie adaptation was pretty good. If you can draw movie Megatron or movie anybody, more power to you.

Milne's Transformers aren't bad, admittedly, although I don't like his style. But he just cannot draw humans and his storytelling is a train wreck. The fact that you have to read his stuff more than once just to understand what's going on says it all.

Bigchin wrote:Milne's Transformers aren't bad, admittedly, although I don't like his style. But he just cannot draw humans and his storytelling is a train wreck. The fact that you have to read his stuff more than once just to understand what's going on says it all.

I want to like Milne's art as I've heard many people singing his praises, but I do find Megatron: Origins quite difficult to follow. Milne's 'portrait'-style pieces, such as the establishing shot of the Senator on his shuttle, are great - crisp, clear and detailed. It's just his action panels that seem to go haywire. There are a number of panels in M:O #1 where I'm still not sure who I'm looking at or exactly what just happened.

However, I don't think this is entirely Milne's fault - a lot of it seems to be down to Perez' somewhat over-rendered colouring. I find that he puts in too much contrast between his highlights and shadows without keeping clean lines between them, and so ends up confusing rather than clarifying the art. (This was also very evident on the Milne/Perez Spotlight: Galvatron cover.)

I have a feeling that Milne's art for the series would seem much clearer in a manga format than with the published colours.

IDW G1. Good written stories, with some funny moments. Also love E.J. Su's art.

Glyph wrote:Milne's 'portrait'-style pieces, such as the establishing shot of the Senator on his shuttle, are great - crisp, clear and detailed. It's just his action panels that seem to go haywire.

Aye, that's true. It was the same with a lot of the Dreamwave stuff - pretty posters, and the comics looked stylish if you flicked through them, but try and follow the story and your eyes bled.

Glyph wrote:However, I don't think this is entirely Milne's fault - a lot of it seems to be down to Perez' somewhat over-rendered colouring.

True, the colouring doesn't help.

I'm about to read #2... wish me luck...

Bigchin wrote:It was the same with a lot of the Dreamwave stuff - pretty posters, and the comics looked stylish if you flicked through them, but try and follow the story and your eyes bled.

That's actually the main thing keeping Don off the top spot for me - the tendency to do poster shots within the main comic. You know the one I mean - the three-quarter perspective, looking-down-from-slightly-above-the-character's-head shot. Every important character gets at least one in an issue, but it's probably never been more evident than all the very similar shots of Magmatron in BW: The Gathering. While I think Don is probably my all-time favourite TF artist in terms of character design and poster shots, he's no match for E J Su when it comes to laying out a cinematic sequence of panels. If you took the best of the two - Su's realism and and cinematic sensitivity with Don's capacity for creating iconic poster art - you'd probably have the killer TF artist.

But of course, I must remember my classics and also give mention to Senior, who was certainly never surpassed on the Marvel run and arguably never since for his ability to tell a story and make the TFs feel like they had real mass and momentum when they were throwing each other about.