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Posted: **Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:01 pm**

Is the Transformers: universe convention comics considered "cannon?"

Posted: **Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:35 pm**

Yes, they're considered CANON to some extent. But they're like, a universe on their own.

Posted: **Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:12 am**

Yeah, they're aboslutley referenced all the time, and they have some pretty pivotal stuff in there.

However, there seems to be some variation in content among some of the editions. For example, I have two different versions of the Convention Comic Wreckers #2, and one of them is lacking a whole story that the other copy has.

Also, when reading some of them you might think you've missed something somewhere, and that may be because there's been several storylines that were begun and/or ended in prose only, and that material is harder to find in print.

Posted: **Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:29 pm**

As Damolisher says, they're canon by definition (in that they're approved by Hasbro), but they're not in continuity with anything except the other convention material. It's not gonna fit in with the cartoons or any of the Marvel, DW or IDW comics, or anything.

Posted: **Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:32 pm**

Ramrider wrote:As Damolisher says, they're canon by definition (in that they're approved by Hasbro), but they're not in continuity with anything except the other convention material. It's not gonna fit in with the cartoons or any of the Marvel, DW or IDW comics, or anything.

I thought Universe was the continuation of what happened after Beast Machines? I've only read a few of the comics that were on the Botcon site, and but didn't see any of the actual Universe stuff.

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:18 am**

Duke of Luns wrote:
Ramrider wrote:As Damolisher says, they're canon by definition (in that they're approved by Hasbro), but they're not in continuity with anything except the other convention material. It's not gonna fit in with the cartoons or any of the Marvel, DW or IDW comics, or anything.

I thought Universe was the continuation of what happened after Beast Machines? I've only read a few of the comics that were on the Botcon site, and but didn't see any of the actual Universe stuff.

Sort of. The Wreckers material picks up after Beast Machines while the main Universe books take characters from all over the place and throw them together. Events in Universe are refernced in FunPub's Balancing Act but really don't impact on anything else. The whole thing can be quite happily ignored.

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:05 pm**

nummymuffin wrote:Is the Transformers: universe convention comics considered "cannon?"

I hate "canon" arguements in general, but... anything officially licensed is "real" - even things that contradict each other or themselves. Of course one series has no effect on another. I do follow "Wreckers" and "Universe" as to what happened after Beast Machines myself, as that's how it's written.

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:19 pm**

waaaaghlord wrote:
Duke of Luns wrote:
Ramrider wrote:As Damolisher says, they're canon by definition (in that they're approved by Hasbro), but they're not in continuity with anything except the other convention material. It's not gonna fit in with the cartoons or any of the Marvel, DW or IDW comics, or anything.

I thought Universe was the continuation of what happened after Beast Machines? I've only read a few of the comics that were on the Botcon site, and but didn't see any of the actual Universe stuff.

Sort of. The Wreckers material picks up after Beast Machines while the main Universe books take characters from all over the place and throw them together. Events in Universe are refernced in FunPub's Balancing Act but really don't impact on anything else. The whole thing can be quite happily ignored.

Unlike Beast Machines wich can´t be ignored...

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:32 pm**

nummymuffin wrote:Is the Transformers: universe convention comics considered "cannon?"

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:42 am**

Scaleface wrote:
nummymuffin wrote:Is the Transformers: universe convention comics considered "cannon?"

I hate "canon" arguements in general, but... anything officially licensed is "real" - even things that contradict each other or themselves. Of course one series has no effect on another. I do follow "Wreckers" and "Universe" as to what happened after Beast Machines myself, as that's how it's written.

I haven't read this material. What did happen after Beast Machines?

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:05 am**

Leonardo wrote:I haven't read this material. What did happen after Beast Machines?

Here is a VERY shortened version of the Wreckers and Universe comic.

The technorganic Maximals repopulated Cybertron, the quintessons invaded again, but were repelled (A VERY brief synopsis of Wreckers).

Then Unicron (who was very injured, but still lurking out there) started to abduct various Transformers through time and space to corrupt and rebuild an army (lead by Razorclaw) to destroy Cybertron, but Primus ressurected Optimus Primal to build an army to counter Unicron. There was a lot of fighting again, time/dimensional travel, we even saw the return of Megatron, Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Rhinox from Beast Wars. (Beast Machines Nightscream and Botanica were oddly absent from this series with no explanation). Megatron even allied with Primal against Unicron after a while. With all the dimensional and time travel we even had some G1, RiD, Armada and War Within characters show up.

Then Unicron was destroyed eventually and the Autobots lead by Primal escaped home to Cybertron. Sentinel Maximus, RiD Optimus Prime and RiD Ultra Magnus were shunted to the Cybertron storyline where they took part in the "Balancing Act" comic story.

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:13 am**

I love wrecks and universe. ONe of my favorite story lines ever. so good. OHHH SOOOOO GOOOOOOD!!

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:23 am**

TO follow the Universe story, first read the Primeval Dawn, then the Wreckers, then the unpublished Wreckers Finale (which is coming), then the Universe comic #1-3 and the associated voice actor plays from Botcon, and then Optimus Primal's bio from OTFCC, and then it ends in the flashback in Balancing Act. Also, you should read all the expanded bios for characters (Depth Charge, Tankor, Megazarak etc.) as they fill in gaps.

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:42 am**

General Magnus wrote:Unlike Beast Machines wich can´t be ignored...

Is it the Technorganic ending, is that why a significant chunk of the Transfans are against Beast Machines? It's very hard to say whether it was a good idea or a bad idea, cause there was never a direct sequal to the series to show us exactly how Cybertron fared after the reformatting.

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:57 am**

Duke of Luns wrote:
General Magnus wrote:Unlike Beast Machines wich can´t be ignored...

Is it the Technorganic ending, is that why a significant chunk of the Transfans are against Beast Machines? It's very hard to say whether it was a good idea or a bad idea, cause there was never a direct sequal to the series to show us exactly how Cybertron fared after the reformatting.

That's what Universe was.

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:03 am**

Scaleface wrote:
Duke of Luns wrote:
General Magnus wrote:Unlike Beast Machines wich can´t be ignored...

Is it the Technorganic ending, is that why a significant chunk of the Transfans are against Beast Machines? It's very hard to say whether it was a good idea or a bad idea, cause there was never a direct sequal to the series to show us exactly how Cybertron fared after the reformatting.

That's what Universe was.

Ok, mainstream sequal is what I meant, just couldn't figure out how to put it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:52 pm**

I didn't like the technorganic reformatting of Cybertron at the end of Beast Machines. The whole reason I first liked Transformers was because it was about ROBOTS! If I wanted organics I'd go buy GI Joe...

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