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Ok so which G1 Autobot or Decepticon was reborn in BW?

Take a guess and say why you think so.

Wheeljack as Rinox, they look similar, there personality is almost the same, there function is the same.

Inferno as Inferno, he used to be a Maximal protoform, who was reprogrammed to be a Predacon, his identity circuits have been damaged so he noes nothing about his former self.

Scrapnel as Waspinator, both are bugs, Waspinator got hit on the head once letting him go completely nuts stating he was him, maybe his former memories were brought back up, who knows.

Kup as Tigatron, they have the same colors, they look a like and they are both the old wise bot.

Now you.

Dead Metal wrote:Wheeljack as Rinox, they look similar, there personality is almost the same, there function is the same.

Sounds reasonable. Also interesting when you remember Rhinox's darker side both in BW and as Tankor in BM, and compare that to (was it Armada?)Wheeljack, who had become a Decepticon.

Dead Metal wrote:Inferno as Inferno, he used to be a Maximal protoform, who was reprogrammed to be a Predacon, his identity circuits have been damaged so he noes nothing about his former self.

I have always been in favor of this theory.

Dead Metal wrote:Scrapnel as Waspinator, both are bugs, Waspinator got hit on the head once letting him go completely nuts stating he was him, maybe his former memories were brought back up, who knows.

While I dont like the idea of Waspinator as Shrapnel, the presence of that scene in the series, leaves us with only two options: 1. Accept it as canon that Waspinator was once Shranel. OR 2. Consider the whole scene a fanwank (and really pathetic one at that).

I propose an alternate for Waspinator. I think Waspinator could have been the G1 Seeker Thrust. My reason for thinking so: Beast Machines.

Dead Metal wrote:Kup as Tigatron, they have the same colors, they look a like and they are both the old wise bot.

I disagree here. Tigatron, to me, doesn't come off as old. And unless Airrazor has a thing for older men, she didnt think so either. I think of Tigatron more as the sensitive, in-touch-with-nature type. If Tigatron came from any G1 Autobot, it should have been Beachcomber.


And for a few characters not already mentioned:

Scorponok: Yeah, another easy one. Scorponok=Scorponok. Think about this, G1 Scorponok (cartoon) was never really shown to have a personality or brain of his own. He was essentially a giant mech operated by Zarak. However, the binary bonding process is complex, and (if I may borrow from the comics for the sole reason that it gave a more in depth look at the actual binary bonding process) it creates a mental connection between the two bondees that remains even after one party dies (HiQ and Prime, comics). So, my theory is that Zarak eventually grew old and died, but G1 Scorponok was left with a residual imprint of Zarak's mind. This would explain why BW Scorponok is a little off in the head: even after reprogramming and rebuilding as a Predacon, his mind is still essentially just residual feedback from the brain of a deceased human, and thus doesnt reach the normal levels of TF intelligence. However, the remaining elements of Zarak's mind are what led him to be a dabbling scientist.

Heck, Silverbolt could have come from Silverbolt. Both flyers. Both very moral, upstanding, good soldiers. Sure, BW Silverbolt was a little more obsessed with honor and chivalry, but G1 Silverbolt still had those qualities and showed them plenty, though he give monologues about it.

And Tarantulus. Perhaps the Fallen? Just a passing thought. Or, could he be one of the comic continuity trio Hook, Line, and Sinker? He does say in BW that he is not descended from Autobot or Decepticon. Sure, Megs calls him "Unicron's Spawn" but that is possibly just a random insult. If he wasnt created by Unicron, then perhaps the Quintessons built him? Maybe Tarantulus was one of the Terrorcons?

Anyways, I gotta go to work now.
Later guys.

Rampage as Blitzwing with a touch of Dirge.

I say Blitzwing cause in the comics Blitzwing was some type of experiment, so was Rampage.

I add in Dirge because they both use the same type of forboading diction

Interesting ideas here.
I agree with that he could be Beachcomber, since both were badass once the time for battle had come.

And that with the old comics I don't understand eny of that, never read them.

Blitzwing as Rampage, interesting, they both kind swiched sides there didn't they?

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Dead Metal wrote:Scrapnel as Waspinator, both are bugs, Waspinator got hit on the head once letting him go completely nuts stating he was him, maybe his former memories were brought back up, who knows.

While I dont like the idea of Waspinator as Shrapnel, the presence of that scene in the series, leaves us with only two options: 1. Accept it as canon that Waspinator was once Shranel. OR 2. Consider the whole scene a fanwank (and really pathetic one at that).

I'm sure there is also option 3: Waspinator just was completely crazy. Who knows, maybe Shrapnel was his idol, and when he hit his head he got confused of who he really was

I personally don't think it was either truth or fanwank, just something a complete nutcase like Waspinator would ramble.

I always figured Waspinator was descended from a Junkion. Explains how he could always pull himself back together. The Shrapnel thing is just his idol, like Chopnel said.


I like to think the member of the Tripredicus council, the bald one that dispatches Ravage, is Soundwave. Secretive, trusts Ravage implicitly enough to carry out solo commando missions, and I like to think he is the one who secretly told Megs 2 about the original Megs message on the Golden Disk. Since it's the kind of thing Soundwave would know about.


Tarantulas could be a descendant of the G2 Decepticons from Jihaxus. One of the writers said the Vok were the Swarm (debatable and not something I subscribe to) or Unicron, since his TM form has little mini Unicron horns on his head.

Cyclonus, Rodimus and Arcee were/are alive during the events of Beast Machines. BTW can someone please spoil me on the new Wreckers storyline?

General Magnus wrote:Cyclonus, Rodimus and Arcee were/are alive during the events of Beast Machines.

i understand cyclonus, i thought there was a bot resembling him, but i didnt see any hints of rodimus and arcee!

They were in that stupid set of Wreckers comics from 3H. Cyclonus was reformatted into a body similar to Jetstorm's, Arcee and Rodimus were there, and Daniel and Wheelie bit the big one.

I'm hoping this topic is a case of who COULD be reincarnations, because otherwise, NONE of the Beast Wars cast are reincarnations of any of the G1 cast, unless specifically stated.

Damolisher wrote:They were in that stupid set of Wreckers comics from 3H. Cyclonus was reformatted into a body similar to Jetstorm's, Arcee and Rodimus were there, and Daniel and Wheelie bit the big one.

Springer and Skywarp were there too, Arcee got Maximised into a Spider, don't think HR or Springer were Maximized though.

Damolisher wrote:I'm hoping this topic is a case of who COULD be reincarnations, because otherwise, NONE of the Beast Wars cast are reincarnations of any of the G1 cast, unless specifically stated.

That's what I am taking this as, since BW characters bar Ravage were all new, non G1 Characters.

Silverbolt could not have been G1 Silverbolt, as G1 Silverbolt is part of Magnaboss with Ironhide and Prowl. And I hate the Inferno could be G1 Inferno theory, but just as a fan of Inferno, it's a plausible explanation.

Silverbolt is part of Magnaboss? Where did you find that out? I didn't notice anything on his tech spec saying he was. Plus Transmetal 2 Prowl is G1 Prowl, according to his Tech Spec. OH, wait, is Magnaboss covered in Sourcebook 2?

Damolisher wrote:Silverbolt is part of Magnaboss? Where did you find that out? I didn't notice anything on his tech spec saying he was. Plus Transmetal 2 Prowl is G1 Prowl, according to his Tech Spec. OH, wait, is Magnaboss covered in Sourcebook 2?

Yeah he is. Furman has really stuffed around with everything, TM2 Owl Prowl was supposed to be the real G1 Prowl, but now it seems as though Owl prowl is insane and believes himself to be G1 Prowl, while G1 Prowl is in the Lion segment of Magnaboss...

Confoosing as heck.

Starscream & Terrorsaur are too similar to disregard. Both wanted to usurp Megatron & lead thier respective factions. )In fact, Starscream wanted leadership of both the Decepticons & the Predacons)

Well, if we're talking about Archetypes rather than literal reincarnations:

Inferno - Pyromaniac, aggressive, (relatively) dim-witted, and physically above average. Who does that sound like?

I hold to the theory that they are all unique and aren't reformatted, but rather original creations trying to live up to their heroes. Think about it.

BW Megatron followed G1 Megatron's theory that the Decepticons should rule the world, and grew angry with his leaders attempts at making peace when he was of the opinion that the Predacon’s show be in charge. He could have studied the teachings of G1 Megs and based his plans on his.

BW Prime based his leadership on the original Prime, and took the Axlon mission because he wanted to explore the galaxy. G1 Prime was trying to find engry.

Basically what I am trying to say is that the beast wars transformers could’ve based their style on older bots.

Waspinator could’ve been a fan of the insecticons, and spent his pre BW days reading up about them.

Trantulas could’ve spent his days looking up Shockwave’s theories etc, seeing if any of his ideas were practical, both in helping the Preds and trying to over throw megatron.

Even on the Maximals, you had Cheetor whose idol could’ve been Rodimus prime and Rattrap, who could’ve heard the stories of Bumble Bee from his great aunt Arcee and decided “Hey I’m gonna be a spy”

Some are easier then others, but generally I hope you get the idea.

Primal Prime is suposed to be the living embodiment of all the past and future leaders, so it can be said that he is a reincarnation of all Primes before him.

Matt D wrote:I hold to the theory that they are all unique and aren't reformatted, but rather original creations trying to live up to their heroes. Think about it.

Well, I think most everyone knows that, cannonically, that's how it worked. I think the topic is more of a 'game'. It could also be, 'match the DC Comic Book Character to a Transformer' or something.

Waspinator could’ve been a fan of the insecticons, and spent his pre BW days reading up about them.

I now have this mental image of a little Waspinator sitting on the floor of his bedroom surrounded by books like Kickback: Agent of Kaon, The Bombastic Bombshell, and (his favorite) Shrapnel: God of Thunder, all published by IC (Insecticon Comics).

i_amtrunks wrote:Yeah he is. Furman has really stuffed around with everything, TM2 Owl Prowl was supposed to be the real G1 Prowl, but now it seems as though Owl prowl is insane and believes himself to be G1 Prowl, while G1 Prowl is in the Lion segment of Magnaboss...

Confoosing as heck.

What do you suppose Magnaboss Prowl and TM2 Prowl would say to each other if they met up?

This isn't about cannon but merely who you think could be the reincarnation of a old TF character.

So it's just a game to have fun, I know that most of these guys may have based there stuff of the G1 guys, just like the Elvis guys, but still guyes like the protoforms could be ther real deal.

Just like BW Grimlock.

My Fault, I should've read between the lines a bit harder.

Matt D wrote:My Fault, I should've read between the lines a bit harder.

Maybe I should state it clearer next time, it's not your fault.

Dead Metal wrote:So it's just a game to have fun, I know that most of these guys may have based there stuff of the G1 guys, just like the Elvis guys, but still guyes like the protoforms could be ther real deal.

Speaking of the Protoforms, Transmetal II Scourge could conceivably be an evolved form of G1 Mixmaster.

Bit of a stretch I suppose...

Caelus wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:So it's just a game to have fun, I know that most of these guys may have based there stuff of the G1 guys, just like the Elvis guys, but still guyes like the protoforms could be ther real deal.

Speaking of the Protoforms, Transmetal II Scourge could conceivably be an evolved form of G1 Mixmaster.

Bit of a stretch I suppose...

don't know I don't know TMII Scourge.

Leonardo wrote:

i_amtrunks wrote:Yeah he is. Furman has really stuffed around with everything, TM2 Owl Prowl was supposed to be the real G1 Prowl, but now it seems as though Owl prowl is insane and believes himself to be G1 Prowl, while G1 Prowl is in the Lion segment of Magnaboss...

Confoosing as heck.

What do you suppose Magnaboss Prowl and TM2 Prowl would say to each other if they met up?

"IMPOSTER!!!"
Then both would end up running for cover and continually trying to figure out the best strategy, as each Prowl counters the other one perfectly.

i_amtrunks wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

i_amtrunks wrote:Yeah he is. Furman has really stuffed around with everything, TM2 Owl Prowl was supposed to be the real G1 Prowl, but now it seems as though Owl prowl is insane and believes himself to be G1 Prowl, while G1 Prowl is in the Lion segment of Magnaboss...

Confoosing as heck.

What do you suppose Magnaboss Prowl and TM2 Prowl would say to each other if they met up?

"IMPOSTER!!!"
Then both would end up running for cover and continually trying to figure out the best strategy, as each Prowl counters the other one perfectly.

Perhaps Transmetal II Prowl is actually G1 Red Alert, who has unconsciously adopted the identity of someone he knew that sucked marginally less than him.