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Which Animated TF reminds you of which Marvel or DC Superhero?

Ultra Magnus = Thor
Prowl = Batman
Iron Hide = Colossus
Sentinal = Capt America
Bulkhead = Thing
Black Arachnia = Rogue

BLIX007 wrote:Ultra Magnus = Thor
Prowl = Batman
Iron Hide = Colossus
Sentinal = Capt America
Bulkhead = Thing
Black Arachnia = Rogue

Wow I'm going to have tot disagree with you on nearly all of them. I can see Bulkhead and the Thing but that's it. A hammer or sheild does not an Avenger make.

Ultra Magnus = Green Lantern Alan Scott. Awesomely powerful and authoritative but reserved. Still ready to bring the pain.

Sentinal Prime = USAgent. Though largely untested, he's cocky and full of himself, willing to bend or even break the rules to do what he wants to but still ultimately a good guy.

Prowl = Daredevil. Hearts in the right place and is well respected but a ultimately only a half trained ninja wannabe but couldn't ask for a better guy to have on your side.

But definitely Blackarachnia = Catwoman. A villainess that our hero can't bring himself to capture dispite multipal small offenses? Even does the whole rooftop thing.

zodconvoy wrote:
Ultra Magnus = Green Lantern Alan Scott. Awesomely powerful and authoritative but reserved. Still ready to bring the pain.

Sentinal Prime = USAgent. Though largely untested, he's cocky and full of himself, willing to bend or even break the rules to do what he wants to but still ultimately a good guy.

Prowl = Daredevil. Hearts in the right place and is well respected but a ultimately only a half trained ninja wannabe but couldn't ask for a better guy to have on your side.

But definitely Blackarachnia = Catwoman. A villainess that our hero can't bring himself to capture dispite multipal small offenses? Even does the whole rooftop thing.

I was going for the exact same characters except for one.

Ultra magnus seems to me to be a bit of a mix of Zeus,Oden and High Father.

BLIX007 wrote:Which Animated TF reminds you of which Marvel or DC Superhero?

Ultra Magnus = Thor
Prowl = Batman
Iron Hide = Colossus
Sentinal = Capt America
Bulkhead = Thing
Black Arachnia = Rogue

I don't know...

#1 - agree
#2 - agree
#3 - ???
#4 - agree
#5 - basically agree, Hulk, Thing, whatever big strong guy
#6 - Spidergirl! Catwoman works, but I like Spidergirl.

zodconvoy wrote:

BLIX007 wrote:Ultra Magnus = Thor
Prowl = Batman
Iron Hide = Colossus
Sentinal = Capt America
Bulkhead = Thing
Black Arachnia = Rogue

Wow I'm going to have tot disagree with you on nearly all of them. I can see Bulkhead and the Thing but that's it. A hammer or sheild does not an Avenger make.

Ultra Magnus = Green Lantern Alan Scott. Awesomely powerful and authoritative but reserved. Still ready to bring the pain.

Sentinal Prime = USAgent. Though largely untested, he's cocky and full of himself, willing to bend or even break the rules to do what he wants to but still ultimately a good guy.

Prowl = Daredevil. Hearts in the right place and is well respected but a ultimately only a half trained ninja wannabe but couldn't ask for a better guy to have on your side.

But definitely Blackarachnia = Catwoman. A villainess that our hero can't bring himself to capture dispite multipal small offenses? Even does the whole rooftop thing.

Ultra Magnus is totally Thor. You can't have a hammer that summons lightning and not have a conection to Thor.

Sentinel seemed to be based off Captain America at first but the Energon Lance kinda changed that.

Prowl as Batman? Maybe the "Batman Begines" Ninja version but that's about it.

I was actully thinking the other day "First they gave Megatron the Batmobile as an alt mode (Cybertron) and now Megatron is hiding in the Bat Cave. (Animated)" Did anyone else notice the simularitys between the Bat Cave and the cave the Decepticons are hideing in?

Saber Prime wrote:Ultra Magnus is totally Thor. You can't have a hammer that summons lightning and not have a conection to Thor.

At first look maybe but he's not acting anything like Thor.

He seems to be more like Zeus,Oden and High Father.And both Zeus and High Father are known for summoning lightning and High Father does it from a staff that he holds just like Ultra Magnus does in Animated.


Has anybody made any comparisons to the X-men???

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Ultra Magnus is totally Thor. You can't have a hammer that summons lightning and not have a conection to Thor.

At first look maybe but he's not acting anything like Thor.

He seems to be more like Zeus,Oden and High Father.And both Zeus and High Father are known for summoning lightning and High Father does it from a staff that he holds just like Ultra Magnus does in Animated.


Has anybody made any comparisons to the X-men???

Never said he acted anything like Thor. I was just poniting out the powers are actully based on Thor's. Thor's hammer comes from Norse Mytholigy not from the comic books of Marvel. I'm talking about Thor as Mytholigy not as a comic book character.

In fact because Thor does come Mytholigy he's not even really owned by Marvel. They can Trade Mark his likeness as they've drawn him but the name can never be Trade Marked. Anyone can use the name Thor and the Hammer and Ultra Magnus' hammer is obviously based in that Mytholigy.

Saber Prime wrote:Never said he acted anything like Thor. I was just poniting out the powers are actully based on Thor's. Thor's hammer comes from Norse Mytholigy not from the comic books of Marvel. I'm talking about Thor as Mytholigy not as a comic book character.

In fact because Thor does come Mytholigy he's not even really owned by Marvel. They can Trade Mark his likeness as they've drawn him but the name can never be Trade Marked. Anyone can use the name Thor and the Hammer and Ultra Magnus' hammer is obviously based in that Mytholigy.

And if thats the case then UM's hammer should have a short handled like the Mjolnir of myth did.

And that being said even the Thor of myth could not lift Mjolnir without Megingjord "the belt of power" and Jarn Griepr the "iron-grippers" a pair of iron gloves he needed in order to wield it.

Without Megingjörð the Thor of myth did not have the strength to lift Mjölnir and with out Járngreipr he could not use it.

So if Animated UM is more based on the Thor of myth then where are his equivalents to the belt of power and the iron gloves and why does his hammer have a long handle????

To me it seems that Animated UM has less in common with the Thor of myth then he does with the Marvel Comic's version.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Never said he acted anything like Thor. I was just poniting out the powers are actully based on Thor's. Thor's hammer comes from Norse Mytholigy not from the comic books of Marvel. I'm talking about Thor as Mytholigy not as a comic book character.

In fact because Thor does come Mytholigy he's not even really owned by Marvel. They can Trade Mark his likeness as they've drawn him but the name can never be Trade Marked. Anyone can use the name Thor and the Hammer and Ultra Magnus' hammer is obviously based in that Mytholigy.

And if thats the case then UM's hammer should have a short handled like the Mjolnir of myth did.

And that being said even the Thor of myth could not lift Mjolnir without Megingjord "the belt of power" and Jarn Griepr the "iron-grippers" a pair of iron gloves he needed in order to wield it.

Without Megingjörð the Thor of myth did not have the strength to lift Mjölnir and with out Járngreipr he could not use it.

So if Animated UM is more based on the Thor of myth then where are his equivalents to the belt of power and the iron gloves and why does his hammer have a long handle????

To me it seems that Animated UM has less in common with the Thor of myth then he does with the Marvel Comic's version.

It's "Myth" you can make of it what you want when reworking it to fit your needs.

Look at all the different versions of Hercules. In one version his mother is a mortal and Hera is his evil step mother and in another Hera is kind and is actully his biological mother. In the version where he was born a full blooded God some potion Hades sliped into his milk bottle as a baby saped away all his Godly powers except for his super strenth.

Hercules' family structure changes in every telling of the story. The only thing that's really for sure is that Zeus is his father.

The Marvel Comics Thor is based off that Norse Mytholigy but he doesn't have any of that stuff you talked about that I haven't got a clue how to pronounce.

It's just one version of what Thor is. In most tellings of the lore the only qualification to be Thor is to weild a lightning summoning hammer. The length of said hammer is likewise not important. After thousands of different tellings of the mytholigy it's honestly impossible for anyone alive today to truely know the original story.

If you really want to get technical into the comic books though the hammer Ultra Magnus has is actully close in design to Steel from the Animated series but the powers of the hammer originat from Thor of Norse Mytholigy.

To put it simply you could wright a story saying that Thor is king of the Gods. Well that has a base in Norse Mytholigy and allso Roman/Greek Mytholigy. Why? Because Thor isn't king of the Gods, for the norse that's Oden but Thor's powers if you take away the Hammer are close to Jupiter/Zeus who is king of Gods.

In fact I have reason to belive all religion today is based off old Mytholigy with the story and even the names of the characters changing over the years. Thor, Zeus, Jupiter, Jahova, they're all the same God. Hercules, the son of a God and a mortal woman, what does that sound like? Jesus Christ. How do you pronounce Jesus in Spanish? Hey Zeus.

Just because something is based off something else doesn't mean it's going to be 100% accurate, in fact it'll never be 100% accurate. Transformers is still based off of G1 but look at the show now. Optimus Prime is not the all mighty leader of the Autobots and Ultra Magnus is not the "Unworthy" soldier to lead the Autobots. (His words in G1 movie, not exactly) but it still has that base of useing G1 names and consepts.

Saber Prime wrote:It's "Myth" you can make of it what you want when reworking it to fit your needs.

True but if thats the case here Animated UM still resembles Marvel Thor more then the Thor of Myth.

Saber Prime wrote:Look at all the different versions of Hercules. In one version his mother is a mortal and Hera is his evil step mother and in another Hera is kind and is actully his biological mother. In the version where he was born a full blooded God some potion Hades sliped into his milk bottle as a baby saped away all his Godly powers except for his super strenth.

True there are many different origins for Hercules but I've never encountered the one you just mention outside of the Disney films.

But I could have missed a story or two.

If you have a link to any information about that origin I would like to read it.

Saber Prime wrote:Hercules' family structure changes in every telling of the story. The only thing that's really for sure is that Zeus is his father.

Even that wasnt always the case.Some of the old stories enlude to the fact that Hercules was the biological son Amphitryon's rival who's name I can not remember.

This rival ether had an affair with Alcmena [Herc's mother] or raped her the night berore the return of her Husband.

Saber Prime wrote:The Marvel Comics Thor is based off that Norse Mytholigy but he doesn't have any of that stuff you talked about that I haven't got a clue how to pronounce.

Actually he does.....but he only use's them on special occasions.

Saber Prime wrote:It's just one version of what Thor is. In most tellings of the lore the only qualification to be Thor is to weild a lightning summoning hammer.

Even that wasnt always in the myth.Early writtings make no mention at all to he lightning summoning abilities and only refer to Thor being the "God of Thunder" and it wasnt because he could create thunder ether.

Some of the later writtings suggest that Thor himself could call abond the lighting with or with out the hammer.

Saber Prime wrote:The length of said hammer is likewise not important. After thousands of different tellings of the mytholigy it's honestly impossible for anyone alive today to truely know the original story.

Actually its part of every Thor myth origin story told.It was Loki that was responsible for the handle being short and in many ways the begining of the rivally between the two.

Saber Prime wrote:If you really want to get technical into the comic books though the hammer Ultra Magnus has is actully close in design to Steel from the Animated series but the powers of the hammer originat from Thor of Norse Mytholigy.

If were sticking to the comics again I'd say its still more like High Fathers staff then any of the other characters mentioned.

And far from the Hammer of the Thor of Myth.

Saber Prime wrote:In fact I have reason to belive all religion today is based off old Mytholigy with the story and even the names of the characters changing over the years. Thor, Zeus, Jupiter, Jahova, they're all the same God. Hercules, the son of a God and a mortal woman, what does that sound like? Jesus Christ. How do you pronounce Jesus in Spanish? Hey Zeus.

Well in a way your right.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Hercules' family structure changes in every telling of the story. The only thing that's really for sure is that Zeus is his father.

Even that wasnt always the case.Some of the old stories enlude to the fact that Hercules was the biological son Amphitryon's rival who's name I can not remember.

This rival ether had an affair with Alcmena [Herc's mother] or raped her the night berore the return of her Husband.

That's a telling of the story I actully haven't heard before.

I've read about 3 different versions of the story and seen about 4 or 5 different TV and movie versions. One of them I think even had Arnold the Govenator of California playing Hercules. The most famous one is probly still the Kevin Sorbo interpretation.

The one I talked about where Hera is Hercules mother was from the Disney animated movie, at least the part about the baby bottle. There are other versions where Hera is his biological mother beyond that but I don't know it thoughs version how he came to be with mortals.

Saber Prime wrote:It's just one version of what Thor is. In most tellings of the lore the only qualification to be Thor is to weild a lightning summoning hammer.

Even that wasnt always in the myth.Early writtings make no mention at all to he lightning summoning abilities and only refer to Thor being the "God of Thunder" and it wasnt because he could create thunder ether.

Some of the later writtings suggest that Thor himself could call abond the lighting with or with out the hammer.

The fact he's called "God of Thunder" is why I tie him in with Jupiter/Zeus who are allso called that. It's preddy well known that the Romans took the idea of their Gods from the Greeks and renamed them. The Roman names are allso where the names for our planets came from. I read that in a science book belive it or not. Why a science book talked about Mytholigy other than to say where the planet's names came from I have no idea but it actully helped me memerize the order of the planets better to think of the Gods so I guess that's a good reason to mention them.

The God Uranus, I have no idea what his Greek name is but beyond that book I can't find any information on him. He was actully the Grandfather to Zeus/Jupiter and father to Kronus/Saturn.

There's allso Raiden from Mortal Kombat who is portrayed as a "Thunder God" but if he's a character from Japanise Mytholigy or just that game I don't know.

City of Heroes and City of Villains allso used Zeus in the origin storys for the main guys in each game. Statesman and Lord Recluse drank from the well of the furies and were granted the powers of Zues.

Saber Prime wrote:The length of said hammer is likewise not important. After thousands of different tellings of the mytholigy it's honestly impossible for anyone alive today to truely know the original story.

Actually its part of every Thor myth origin story told.It was Loki that was responsible for the handle being short and in many ways the begining of the rivally between the two.

That's not true. Norse Mytholigy was the basis behind "The Mask" at least for the movies. Loki and Thor are brothers and the rivalry between them is just fighting for their father, Oden's attention and love. Thor's basically seen as the favorite son and Loki wants the same respect his brother gets. He doesn't get that respect because of his tricks, fooling around in the lives of Mortals.

And I have seen versions of Thor with an exstended handle. Even versions of Marvel Comics Thor have longer handles than others allthough addmittedly none of them compair to the size of Ultra Magnus'.

Saber Prime wrote:In fact I have reason to belive all religion today is based off old Mytholigy with the story and even the names of the characters changing over the years. Thor, Zeus, Jupiter, Jahova, they're all the same God. Hercules, the son of a God and a mortal woman, what does that sound like? Jesus Christ. How do you pronounce Jesus in Spanish? Hey Zeus.

Well in a way your right.

The one thing you actully say I'm right on and even I'm not sure that's 100% right. That's just my own belief. I can't really prove it but I do belive based on the simularitys in the different storys and religions that they all can be traced back to the same origin.

Saber Prime wrote:That's a telling of the story I actully haven't heard before.

I learned it back in college.And its not from the main stories about Herc' but from some of the stories told about his half brother from the same mother.

Saber Prime wrote:The fact he's called "God of Thunder" is why I tie him in with Jupiter/Zeus who are allso called that.

True bot were called that but for Zeus/Jupiter it was a fitting name.Both the Roman and Greek version of the god were loards of the sky and thunder because they controled the lighting and the thunder.

The oldest writtings call Thor the god of thunder for a completlly different reason that had nothing to do with thunder or lighting.

Saber Prime wrote:That's not true. Norse Mytholigy was the basis behind "The Mask" at least for the movies. Loki and Thor are brothers and the rivalry between them is just fighting for their father, Oden's attention and love. Thor's basically seen as the favorite son and Loki wants the same respect his brother gets. He doesn't get that respect because of his tricks, fooling around in the lives of Mortals.

It is true and if you read my post more carfully you would see and understand what I said.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Actually its part of every Thor myth origin story told.It was Loki that was responsible for the handle being short and in many ways the begining of the rivally between the two.

As you can see I did not say it was the sol reason for the start of their rivalry but one of many.

And the fact is is is the reason why Thor started to distrust Loki.The hammer was forged and given to Thor when he and Loki were the equivalent of 8 to 10 years old and up untill that point most of Loki's tricks and schemes had gone un-noticed by Thor even when he was the sol target of those schemes.

The incident that resulted in the handle being shortened became known to Thor.

As for Loki seeking Odins love and attention thats debatable.There are many stories of Loki ploting to kill Oden and Thor from a early age.

As to why Thor was the favored son of Odin......Loki was adopted....at least in many of the early writtings.

Odin fought and killed Loki's father who was a frost giant from the kingdom of Jötunheimr [if I'm spelling that right ]After Odin killed the giant in battle he saw that the giants sone was left alone.

So he took the child as his own.Some of the other writtings suggest that Odin did so to ether keep a promise he mad his own father Borr.Other writtings suggest that Odin took Loki as a way to ward off a curse placed on him be his father.

Saber Prime wrote:And I have seen versions of Thor with an exstended handle. Even versions of Marvel Comics Thor have longer handles than others allthough addmittedly none of them compair to the size of Ultra Magnus'.

Yes those versions of Marvel's Thor were from a short lived mini serries called "Heroes Reborn".What preceeds the mini was that many of Marvels heroes were killed in battle fighting Onslaught the spawn of Pro. Xavier and Magneto minds merged into one being.

Franklin Richards [the sone of Mr.Fantastic and the Inviable Woman] used his mutant powers to warp realtie and created a alternate world where the heroes that died [including the Fantastic Four] to be reborn.

In that Universe Thor carried a long handeled hammer.

Saber Prime wrote:The one thing you actully say I'm right on and even I'm not sure that's 100% right. That's just my own belief. I can't really prove it but I do belive based on the simularitys in the different storys and religions that they all can be traced back to the same origin.

Well like I said "in a way your right".Fact is with out trying to say that the stories are real or not most of our religions today were ether inspired or manipulated by the religions that were based on the myths surrounding the gods of old.

Or do you really think that Jesus was really born around Dec.25th????

Even thou it really isint addressed in the Bible reading the accounts of Marry's travel from Nazareth to Bethlehem it would seem that Jesus could not have been born in December.

This one line from the Gospel of Luke in particular has a givving clue to that
"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night"
December would have been an unusual for shepherds to be "abiding in the field" at this coldest time of year and the fields were unproductive.

The normal practice was to keep the flocks in the fields and from Spring to Autumn.

As for why we celebrate it on 12/25......there was a a Roman holiday around the same date.....on the supposed day of the winter solstice and day of rebirth of the Sunthe day was called Sol Invictus ("the Unconquered Sun").

The would decorate a tree and sing songs by it.

I also read somewhere that they would decorate the tree with painted heads of decapitated peasant children but I cant prove that right now so you'll have to truse me on that.

Raiden = Japanese mythic thunder god

I think Uranus is a representation of Cronus

this mythic kick is really fascinating, but rather off topic

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Ultra Magnus is totally Thor. You can't have a hammer that summons lightning and not have a conection to Thor.

At first look maybe but he's not acting anything like Thor.

He seems to be more like Zeus,Oden and High Father.And both Zeus and High Father are known for summoning lightning and High Father does it from a staff that he holds just like Ultra Magnus does in Animated.

Has anybody made any comparisons to the X-men???

Never said he acted anything like Thor. I was just pointing out the powers are actually based on Thor's. Thor's hammer comes from Norse Mythology not from the comic books of Marvel. I'm talking about Thor as Mythology not as a comic book character.

In fact because Thor does come Mythology he's not even really owned by Marvel. They can Trade Mark his likeness as they've drawn him but the name can never be Trade Marked. Anyone can use the name Thor and the Hammer and Ultra Magnus' hammer is obviously based in that Mytholigy.

I think this thread on Comparison of Marvel/DC Heroes to TF animated is somewhat derailed

Ultra Magnus = his blue bolts are based on Rid Magnus, along with his non exo armor alt, the weapon is an axel and Marvel's Thor hammer. I can follow the personality link to Alan Scott, (i think green arrow called him a racist once though)

Prowl = Batman by prowlarangs and color scheme only , which is really a police motorcycle cop outfit (see the tan pants and think chips), his ideals and place holder over all stems closer to a naturalist Daredevil, even the pseudo ninja part. his reserve and resolve could be inspired by martian manhunter. He's no superman, or even batman really, but like Jon'Jon and Matt Murdock potentially the best mech for the job.

Iron Hide = Colossus... I don't see it, yet any way. I could just agree power set wise. There both made of sturner stuff. I though he sounded like canonball...

Sentinal = Capt America... hardly. The USAgent comment was spot on, and the Tick factor is a given. Even the energy shield is associated more with USAgent though and he could shape it into a lancer if he wanted, so it ain't Cap A's shield.

Bulkhead = Thing, only dumber. not that thing is dumb but that is how the writers characterized him. He has to be a smarter fighter than Lugnuts to hold his own.

Black Arachnia = Rogue for stealing powers and being a misunderstood girl... sorta. she has temporary mega man powers and is closer to Marvels Blackcat and DC's Catwoman.

Optimus Prime = an ex-bot scout turned friendly neighborhood firemech. Definitely a Superman and Spiderman in training.

Bumble bee = Static shock. I'm serious.

As for X-men... these are still pretty off personality but

Opt P= young Cyclops?
Sent P= Havok
Sarri = Jubilee
Bumble bee = multiple man
Bulkhead = Strong guy
Prowl = nightcrawler

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:It is true and if you read my post more carfully you would see and understand what I said.

You said and I quote "its part of EVERY Thor myth origin story told" and I pointed out a version of the Myth where it's NOT part of the story.

As for Loki seeking Odins love and attention thats debatable.There are many stories of Loki ploting to kill Oden and Thor from a early age.

Keep in mind that was only one version of the story.

There are multiple versions of Zeus, one where he's kind loveing father and another where he's just the opisite.

Saber Prime wrote: You said and I quote "its part of EVERY Thor myth origin story told" and I pointed out a version of the Myth where it's NOT part of the story.

No....what you pointed out was how the Myth was altered for the Mask.

How Loki interfered in the creation of the Hammer is part of Every origin story of myth.

What the creators of the Mask film and comics altered to fit there fiction does not change the way the myths were written.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote: You said and I quote "its part of EVERY Thor myth origin story told" and I pointed out a version of the Myth where it's NOT part of the story.

No....what you pointed out was how the Myth was altered for the Mask.

How Loki interfered in the creation of the Hammer is part of Every origin story of myth.

What the creators of the Mask film and comics altered to fit there fiction does not change the way the myths were written.

The way they wrote it is just another version of the myth and it's a version that doesn't include that aspect of the story.

I think someone it might of been you or my friend (who I haven't seen in a while) told me Loki had nothing to do with the comics for the Mask. I really don't know but I know what was said in the movies.

Anyway my point is that the movie "The Mask" tells another version of the Myth. Marvel Comics has their own versions of the Myth with their version of Thor.

I'm actully still not clear on if Marvel Thor is actully a God or a crazy person who just THINKS he's a God or possibly both depending on what comic adaption of the hero you're reading or watching at the time.

Saber Prime wrote:The way they wrote it is just another version of the myth and it's a version that doesn't include that aspect of the story.

What they did was "Create" a new story based on the Myth that did not include the story of Thor.

Thats very different then just telling one of the many Myth stories.

I guess in a way all story telling is the telling of a myth but I think that even you would agree that a modern story based on the myth 's of old should be in a different category then the story it was based on.

But ether way you see it....Loki's trickery in the forging of the Hammer has been part of every myth story I've ever read about the hammer.

And when I say myth story I'm talking about the stories written by the norsmen.

Saber Prime wrote:I think someone it might of been you or my friend (who I haven't seen in a while) told me Loki had nothing to do with the comics for the Mask. I really don't know but I know what was said in the movies.

Could not have been me.I know very little about the Mask comics.I wasnt a fan of them.

Saber Prime wrote:Anyway my point is that the movie "The Mask" tells another version of the Myth.

No like I said they altered the myth to fit their story.They created a new story based on the myth.

And besides its not like the movie needed to focus on Thor or the hammer.....it had nothing to do with the story, so the the writters may have intended that their Loki did in fact do what the Loki of myth did or they may not have.

We'll never know.

Saber Prime wrote:Marvel Comics has their own versions of the Myth with their version of Thor.

Marvel takes aspects from different parts of the myths and has altered a good number of things.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm actully still not clear on if Marvel Thor is actully a God or a crazy person who just THINKS he's a God or possibly both depending on what comic adaption of the hero you're reading or watching at the time.

That depends on which Thor and which Marvel Universe were talking about.

The main MU's Thor is a god.

But what a god is in the MU is also up for debate.Over the years Marvel has broken it down in a few different ways but the most notable ones are that a god is a extra demshinal being or a highly evolved humanoid.

I actully didn't get to finish reply to this post because I was on the work computer so now I'm going back to this post.

As for Loki seeking Odins love and attention thats debatable.There are many stories of Loki ploting to kill Oden and Thor from a early age.

Like I've been saying there are multiple telling of the story and each one is different from the others.

The TV and movie interpretations of Zues useually portray him as a fairly kind God and he allmost allways has a preddy good relationship with Hercules but in one version of the story I read in High School Zeus actully killed his own father in order to gain his position as king of the Gods and EAT some of his children who he belived would grow up and take power from him.

Well like I said "in a way your right".Fact is with out trying to say that the stories are real or not most of our religions today were ether inspired or manipulated by the religions that were based on the myths surrounding the gods of old.

Or do you really think that Jesus was really born around Dec.25th????

Even thou it really isint addressed in the Bible reading the accounts of Marry's travel from Nazareth to Bethlehem it would seem that Jesus could not have been born in December.

This one line from the Gospel of Luke in particular has a givving clue to that
"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night"
December would have been an unusual for shepherds to be "abiding in the field" at this coldest time of year and the fields were unproductive.

We could end offending people on this subject. If you wanna keep talking about aspects of the Bible send it to my PM.

I was going to say something on this subject but then I thought I better not. It has to do with my personal belifes but it could be offencive and would definatly be dissrespectfull to others with different belifes. So please send this to my PM.

As for why we celebrate it on 12/25......there was a a Roman holiday around the same date.....on the supposed day of the winter solstice and day of rebirth of the Sunthe day was called Sol Invictus ("the Unconquered Sun").

The would decorate a tree and sing songs by it.

I also read somewhere that they would decorate the tree with painted heads of decapitated peasant children but I cant prove that right now so you'll have to truse me on that.

I actully celibrate Christmas on the 24th, Christmas Eve. Why? The tridition was started in my family a few generations back. Someone got tired of the kids nagging "can we open presents yet" all day long on Christmas so she gave the kids their presents a day early. Allso that way the kids would have their new toys or whatever to play with on Christmas day insted of haveing to wait till after dinner. Ever sence then Christmas has allways come a day early. I think that tridition has been in my family for about 4 or 5 generations now. Oh 6, allmost forgot my cousin has a son.

I don't speak to alot of my biological family verry offten so I allmost forgot about him. It's been about 4 years sence the last time I saw my cousin and his son and that was at a family gathering after our great grandmother had died. (There was no funeral, she had asked to be cremated. Apperently it's cheaper to be burned than burried.)

Saber Prime wrote: Like I've been saying there are multiple telling of the story and each one is different from the others.

The TV and movie interpretations of Zues useually portray him as a fairly kind God and he allmost allways has a preddy good relationship with Hercules but in one version of the story I read in High School Zeus actully killed his own father in order to gain his position as king of the Gods and EAT some of his children who he belived would grow up and take power from him.

I know.....but like I said in every story of myth about the forging of Thors hammer Loki some how caused the handle to be shortened.

There are a few different ways that he did it in the different tellings that I'm aware of but still Loki was the cause.

For some reason it seems to be a central and very important aspect of the myth.

Saber Prime wrote:We could end offending people on this subject. If you wanna keep talking about aspects of the Bible send it to my PM.

I was going to say something on this subject but then I thought I better not. It has to do with my personal belifes but it could be offencive and would definatly be dissrespectfull to others with different belifes. So please send this to my PM.

Thats why I worded it as carefully as I could.I just touched on the facts of the seasons in question.I think that even the most religious amongst us here wouldnt be offended by the question about what season Christ was really born.

If you want to talk further on this topic you can pm me.

Saber Prime wrote:I actully celibrate Christmas on the 24th, Christmas Eve. Why? The tridition was started in my family a few generations back. Someone got tired of the kids nagging "can we open presents yet" all day long on Christmas so she gave the kids their presents a day early. Allso that way the kids would have their new toys or whatever to play with on Christmas day insted of haveing to wait till after dinner. Ever sence then Christmas has allways come a day early. I think that tridition has been in my family for about 4 or 5 generations now. Oh 6, allmost forgot my cousin has a son.

I don't speak to alot of my biological family verry offten so I allmost forgot about him. It's been about 4 years sence the last time I saw my cousin and his son and that was at a family gathering after our great grandmother had died. (There was no funeral, she had asked to be cremated. Apperently it's cheaper to be burned than burried.)

Thats a shame but all too famiular.

I come from a huge extended family.My father had 13 brothers and 17 sisters [mostly half brothers and sisters] and you can imangin how many cousins and 2.nd cousins I must have since we Puerto Ricans multiple like Gremlins when the hit water and I dont keep in touch with any of them.

As a matter of fact over the years I discovered that a few friends and co-workers were cousins of mine.And as weird as this is about to sound....I once dated a girl for almost a year before I found out she was a cousin.

i would say Bulkhead is more like the thing, he's a brute, but nhe still has compassion and feelings, where as Lugnut is more like The Hulk, a brute powerhouse with little regard or control.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote: Like I've been saying there are multiple telling of the story and each one is different from the others.

The TV and movie interpretations of Zues useually portray him as a fairly kind God and he allmost allways has a preddy good relationship with Hercules but in one version of the story I read in High School Zeus actully killed his own father in order to gain his position as king of the Gods and EAT some of his children who he belived would grow up and take power from him.

I know.....but like I said in every story of myth about the forging of Thors hammer Loki some how caused the handle to be shortened.

There are a few different ways that he did it in the different tellings that I'm aware of but still Loki was the cause.

For some reason it seems to be a central and very important aspect of the myth.

Saber Prime wrote:We could end offending people on this subject. If you wanna keep talking about aspects of the Bible send it to my PM.

I was going to say something on this subject but then I thought I better not. It has to do with my personal belifes but it could be offencive and would definatly be dissrespectfull to others with different belifes. So please send this to my PM.

Thats why I worded it as carefully as I could.I just touched on the facts of the seasons in question.I think that even the most religious amongst us here wouldnt be offended by the question about what season Christ was really born.

If you want to talk further on this topic you can pm me.

Saber Prime wrote:I actully celibrate Christmas on the 24th, Christmas Eve. Why? The tridition was started in my family a few generations back. Someone got tired of the kids nagging "can we open presents yet" all day long on Christmas so she gave the kids their presents a day early. Allso that way the kids would have their new toys or whatever to play with on Christmas day insted of haveing to wait till after dinner. Ever sence then Christmas has allways come a day early. I think that tridition has been in my family for about 4 or 5 generations now. Oh 6, allmost forgot my cousin has a son.

I don't speak to alot of my biological family verry offten so I allmost forgot about him. It's been about 4 years sence the last time I saw my cousin and his son and that was at a family gathering after our great grandmother had died. (There was no funeral, she had asked to be cremated. Apperently it's cheaper to be burned than burried.)

Thats a shame but all too famiular.

I come from a huge extended family.My father had 13 brothers and 17 sisters [mostly half brothers and sisters] and you can imangin how many cousins and 2.nd cousins I must have since we Puerto Ricans multiple like Gremlins when the hit water and I dont keep in touch with any of them.

As a matter of fact over the years I discovered that a few friends and co-workers were cousins of mine.And as weird as this is about to sound....I once dated a girl for almost a year before I found out she was a cousin.

The tridition and the cousin is actully from my moms side of the family. She has 1 sister and 2 brothers.

The oldest brother actully has a biological daughter who he doesn't speak too and he left her mother before she was born but then after that started dateing a woman who had a son from a previous marraige. Apperently he treats the step son as his own child but has never spoken to his own daughter and I've never even met either of them.

My uncle lives in town and yet I've only seen him maybe 3 or 4 times in 22 years.

The only cousin I've actully met on my mom's side got married and divorced in 6 months to a woman, the last time I heard, he had to pay $600 child suport to for a child she never takes care of in the first place. They had joint custity at the time of their son but every time it was her turn to take the child she dumped him off at his grandmother's house. The mother apperently allso smoked the entire time she was pregnant resulting in the childing haveing an underdeveloped lung so he has a hard time breathing with only 1 good lung.

On my dad's side of the family things are alot bigger and even more screwed up. He's the youngest of 12, from different fathers and the same mother.

I actully met someone in high school who I belive to be the son of one of my father's half brothers. He told me he doesn't have any aunts or uncles but that doesn't mean anything. It's entirely possible he either denys he has any or doesn't know he has any.

Saber Prime wrote:
The tridition and the cousin is actully from my moms side of the family. She has 1 sister and 2 brothers.

The oldest brother actully has a biological daughter who he doesn't speak too and he left her mother before she was born but then after that started dateing a woman who had a son from a previous marraige. Apperently he treats the step son as his own child but has never spoken to his own daughter and I've never even met either of them.

My uncle lives in town and yet I've only seen him maybe 3 or 4 times in 22 years.

The only cousin I've actully met on my mom's side got married and divorced in 6 months to a woman, the last time I heard, he had to pay $600 child suport to for a child she never takes care of in the first place. They had joint custity at the time of their son but every time it was her turn to take the child she dumped him off at his grandmother's house. The mother apperently allso smoked the entire time she was pregnant resulting in the childing haveing an underdeveloped lung so he has a hard time breathing with only 1 good lung.

On my dad's side of the family things are alot bigger and even more screwed up. He's the youngest of 12, from different fathers and the same mother.

I actully met someone in high school who I belive to be the son of one of my father's half brothers. He told me he doesn't have any aunts or uncles but that doesn't mean anything. It's entirely possible he either denys he has any or doesn't know he has any.

I have a half brother on my fathers side that I haven seen since my father died in 1980.

I also have a half brother also on my fathers side who thinks he's my cousin.

My father messed around with one of his brothers wife's.

It seems that both are families are f'ed up.

I actully had another post that I had wrighten last night before I went to bed but my internet died before I got a chance to post it. It was working again this morning but I'm now at work.

Between show's I'll try and wright that post again. It was rather long and I don't remember exactly what it was in regards to. Anyway I gotta get back into the theater now. (the computer I use at work is in the rehersal hall which is actully in a seperate building apart from the theater itself.)

Saber Prime wrote:I actully had another post that I had wrighten last night before I went to bed but my internet died before I got a chance to post it. It was working again this morning but I'm now at work.

Between show's I'll try and wright that post again. It was rather long and I don't remember exactly what it was in regards to. Anyway I gotta get back into the theater now. (the computer I use at work is in the rehersal hall which is actully in a seperate building apart from the theater itself.)

Have a good show.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:I actully had another post that I had wrighten last night before I went to bed but my internet died before I got a chance to post it. It was working again this morning but I'm now at work.

Between show's I'll try and wright that post again. It was rather long and I don't remember exactly what it was in regards to. Anyway I gotta get back into the theater now. (the computer I use at work is in the rehersal hall which is actully in a seperate building apart from the theater itself.)

Have a good show.

I feel so sorry for our actors today. One of the actresses was sick (stomach flew) and she still gave it her all AND it turned into our best proformance so far for this run.

The sucky part, this great show was waisted on the most unresponcive audience I've ever seen. I had to go tell everyone after the show that they diserved a standing ovation. They didn't get one because the audience was a bunch of idiots but they diserved it.

Oh and I just looked, the post I thought got lost and was going to have to rewright actully did get posted.