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Can't wait to watch it for myself. Thanks for the relay, Sabrblade.

Fixed audio version!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muWnbvmDyxo

Also, word has it that Ultra Magnus was voiced by Michael Ironside!!!!

Sabrblade wrote:Fixed audio version!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muWnbvmDyxo

In the loosest sense of the word.

It's better, but still not in sync.

Sabrblade wrote:Fixed audio version!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muWnbvmDyxo

Also, word has it that Ultra Magnus was voiced by Michael Ironside!!!!

Awesome, isn't it?

I think Prime would benefit from a comic book that focus on things the show hadn't done yet or introduced others while still staying in continuity with the show.

This season premiere was lukewarm for me.

What I didn't like

1) Ever get those characters that are introduced and you hate them from the start? Ultra Magnus is that character for me. Which is hard for me to say, as I've never absolutely hated a character like I hate Magnus. His "by-the-book" prickliness is part of his charm some could say, but it aggravates me. Someone better shove a pipe up his tailplate by series' end. I was first excited for his introduction, but he pretty much blew this whole experience for me.

2) I guess this is a consequence of watching the first three episodes in direct order, but the whole thing felt rushed. Suddenly Smokescreen ended up back at the base so conveniently, Ratchet instantaneously returned to help his friends after they abandoned him at the dump, Shockwave's (convenient) survival (I would've been happier with the Shockwave we saw in the promo being one of his many clones on Cybertron that we learned of in the Beast Hunters comic, making the toy an army-builder), not to mention Ultra Magnus' introduction was pale to say the least. Maybe it's just me.

3) The Autobots getting back together wasn't as quick as I had bargained, but still a little too quick. This complaint's a lot less major than the others, though.

What I liked

1) Predaking isn't a weak-ass. What I mean is, he isn't easily taken down. A whole damn energon mine fell on him and shook it off like it was a pinch. I was expecting him to be shot down by a few blasts from Bulkhead, but Predaking proves even a bigger threat in battle than any Decepticon, Autobot, or Predacon we've ever or ever will get so far. I'm impressed.

2) Optimus didn't take the Orion Pax dive this season. Remember how Optimus was restored in the first three episodes last season? At least this time it wasn't the first three episodes. What makes it even better is that since this season is half the number of episodes, he wasn't restored in 1.5 episodes instead. By comparison, Optimus has stayed damaged a much longer amount of time than Optimus had been Orion. Now, this isn't saying much considering Smokescreen could patch Optimus right up by the fourth episode, but if they keep him like this for at least more than half the season, I'll be satisfied.

3) Bumblebee's new paintjob = badass. And it has a decent explanation, something I was fearing the writers would prove lackluster to do until a few episodes onward, if at all. A side note: I don't mind Raf's deep(er) voice. I hope he gets a bit taller by the end of the season, just to match up. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

4) Oh, Arcee. If only you knew that the geewunner fanwanks want you to reverse your colors so you would be pink. I loved this reference, indirect or otherwise.

PrymeStriker wrote:This season premiere was lukewarm for me.

What I didn't like

1) Ever get those characters that are introduced and you hate them from the start? Ultra Magnus is that character for me. Which is hard for me to say, as I've never absolutely hated a character like I hate Magnus. His "by-the-book" prickliness is part of his charm some could say, but it aggravates me. Someone better shove a pipe up his tailplate by series' end. I was first excited for his introduction, but he pretty much blew this whole experience for me.

2) I guess this is a consequence of watching the first three episodes in direct order, but the whole thing felt rushed. Suddenly Smokescreen ended up back at the base so conveniently, Ratchet instantaneously returned to help his friends after they abandoned him at the dump, Shockwave's (convenient) survival (I would've been happier with the Shockwave we saw in the promo being one of his many clones on Cybertron that we learned of in the Beast Hunters comic, making the toy an army-builder), not to mention Ultra Magnus' introduction was pale to say the least. Maybe it's just me.

3) The Autobots getting back together wasn't as quick as I had bargained, but still a little too quick. This complaint's a lot less major than the others, though.

What I liked

1) Predaking isn't a weak-ass. What I mean is, he isn't easily taken down. A whole damn energon mine fell on him and shook it off like it was a pinch. I was expecting him to be shot down by a few blasts from Bulkhead, but Predaking proves even a bigger threat in battle than any Decepticon, Autobot, or Predacon we've ever or ever will get so far. I'm impressed.

2) Optimus didn't take the Orion Pax dive this season. Remember how Optimus was restored in the first three episodes last season? At least this time it wasn't the first three episodes. What makes it even better is that since this season is half the number of episodes, he wasn't restored in 1.5 episodes instead. By comparison, Optimus has stayed damaged a much longer amount of time than Optimus had been Orion. Now, this isn't saying much considering Smokescreen could patch Optimus right up by the fourth episode, but if they keep him like this for at least more than half the season, I'll be satisfied.

3) Bumblebee's new paintjob = badass. And it has a decent explanation, something I was fearing the writers would prove lackluster to do until a few episodes onward, if at all. A side note: I don't mind Raf's deep voice. I hope he gets a bit taller by the end of the season, just to match up. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

4) Oh, Arcee. If only you knew that the geewunner fanwanks want you to reverse your colors so you would be pink. I loved this reference, indirect or otherwise.

I was dissatisfied with Ratchet's immediate choice to rejoin the group in their efforts. I didn't like that only Predaking appeared and no other Predacons. I'm going to be pissed if we don't get the spiked or upgraded or whatever forms of the characters by the end of the season. I feel like they did not bring in enough of the toyline in these episodes to justify me purchasing anymore, especially if non of the Beast Hunters stuff sans Predaking and Smokescreen were in the premiere at all.

redsonjustin wrote:I think Prime would benefit from a comic book that focus on things the show hadn't done yet or introduced others while still staying in continuity with the show.

That's what the existing comics have done and what the upcoming Prime Beast Hunters comic will do.

PrymeStriker wrote:1) Ever get those characters that are introduced and you hate them from the start? Ultra Magnus is that character for me. Which is hard for me to say, as I've never absolutely hated a character like I hate Magnus. His "by-the-book" prickliness is part of his charm some could say, but it aggravates me. Someone better shove a pipe up his tailplate by series' end. I was first excited for his introduction, but he pretty much blew this whole experience for me.

I find this interesting, as the idea of someone being legitimately "by-the-book" in this show is quite shocking for me, as, up until this point, the amount of rule-following and rule-breaking by every member of Team Prime (human and Autobot alike) has been just all over the map. I find that Magnus serves a nice contrast to all that we've gotten up this point, with him being the genuine article compared to the likes of Optimus and Ratchet whom have claimed to be straight arrows yet have often found ways to get around standard protocol and continue to still think of themselves as having followed the book. I at least hope for Magnus to Ratchet a reality check that, news flash, he's not all that he claims to be, that Magnus is the what being by-the-book really is, and that he'll get some sense knocked into him and ease him up from being such a jerk.

In turn, Magnus would also eventually learn to soften up himself as well, likely having his heart warmed by the series' end.

PrymeStriker wrote:2) I guess this is a consequence of watching the first three episodes in direct order, but the whole thing felt rushed. Suddenly Smokescreen ended up back at the base so conveniently, Ratchet instantaneously returned to help his friends after they abandoned him at the dump, Shockwave's (convenient) survival (I would've been happier with the Shockwave we saw in the promo being one of his many clones on Cybertron that we learned of in the Beast Hunters comic, making the toy an army-builder), not to mention Ultra Magnus' introduction was pale to say the least. Maybe it's just me.

I'll agree on Magnus's debut being kinda eh, but we got a good reason for Smoke's quick return. He turned around almost immediately and appeared just as the base blew. It would only make sense for him to appear that quickly to make what he said sound truthful.

Ratchet's return was necessary for the plot's development, and really, he's not the first person to have a "ten second retirement", and won't be the last. I was glad to see his return happen as soon as it did, as he's been a grumpy jerk all series and really has a dire need for some redeeming factors and character growth, as he's been the same as he's always been since episode 1.

For Shockwave, I don't see what so convenient about getting blasted back out through the space bridge. Otherwise, he'd be dead.

PrymeStriker wrote:3) The Autobots getting back together wasn't as quick as I had bargained, but still a little too quick. This complaint's a lot less major than the others, though.

I wouldn't quite call them all being back together just yet, what with them still missing Smokescreen and the injured Optimus.

PrymeStriker wrote:What I liked

1) Predaking isn't a weak-ass. What I mean is, he isn't easily taken down. A whole damn energon mine fell on him and shook it off like it was a pinch. I was expecting him to be shot down by a few blasts from Bulkhead, but Predaking proves even a bigger threat in battle than any Decepticon, Autobot, or Predacon we've ever or ever will get so far. I'm impressed.

Yeah, looks like the only thing that can bring him down is a nice big bonk on the head.

PrymeStriker wrote:2) Optimus didn't take the Orion Pax dive this season. Remember how Optimus was restored in the first three episodes last season? At least this time it wasn't the first three episodes. What makes it even better is that since this season is half the number of episodes, he wasn't restored in 1.5 episodes instead. By comparison, Optimus has stayed damaged a much longer amount of time than Optimus had been Orion. Now, this isn't saying much considering Smokescreen could patch Optimus right up by the fourth episode, but if they keep him like this for at least more than half the season, I'll be satisfied.

I honestly do hope he gets healed, since I wanna see that awesome BH toy in animated form (but NOT as an upgraded Smokescreen, as Smoke being overhauled into a n Optimus clone just sounds too silly ).

PrymeStriker wrote:3) Bumblebee's new paintjob = badass. And it has a decent explanation, something I was fearing the writers would prove lackluster to do until a few episodes onward, if at all. A side note: I don't mind Raf's deep(er) voice. I hope he gets a bit taller by the end of the season, just to match up. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

I guess puberty kicked in off screen for the character while he and Bee were on the run.

PrymeStriker wrote:4) Oh, Arcee. If only you knew that the geewunner fanwanks want you to reverse your colors so you would be pink. I loved this reference, indirect or otherwise.

What's more funny is that her WFC body being pink means that she did wear that color at one time and now doesn't like it anymore. Eat that Geewunners.

Great gooey gumdrops, two weeks in a row!

Episode 15 aired on Vortexx and, like last week, there were no cuts! A new commercial break, but no cuts! And also like last week, the new commercial break played as the second one instead of as the third.

1. The new commercial break played right after the kids ran under Terrorcon Skyquake between his legs, before the scene cut back the Autobot base with Ratchet at the computer.

Sabrblade wrote:Episode 15 aired on Vortexx and, like last week, there were no cuts! A new commercial break, but no cuts! And also like last week, the new commercial break played as the second one instead of as the third.

2 weeks in a row? damn that's amazing lol

Sabrblade wrote:For Shockwave, I don't see what so convenient about getting blasted back out through the space bridge. Otherwise, he'd be dead.

That's kind of what I wanted. One way or the other I suppose, but I would've preferred Shockwave die and let the Shockwave this season be one of his many avatars across Cybertron, or the Shockwave from "Out of the Past" be an avatar and the original Shockwave come in this season.

I wouldn't quite call them all being back together just yet, what with them still missing Smokescreen and the injured Optimus.

Which is part of the reason I call it more of a minor complaint.

Yeah, looks like the only thing that can bring him down is a nice big bonk on the head.

He ain't dead, is he?

Eat that Geewunners.

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, looks like the only thing that can bring him down is a nice big bonk on the head.

Slowed him down a smidge, and gave Ultra Magnus enough time to get away.

Also, I wonder if Predaking is as "mute" as Starscream claims he is. Or as "under control" as Shockwave claims. Remember what happened the last time Shockwave thought a "Beastfomer" was under his control?

Interesting the 'cons found Airachnid, but didn't release her. Maybe they think leaving her in stasis is fitting punishment?

What? How'd Megatron know about Magnus's arrival so quickly?

He may have been referring to Wheeljack, not Magnus. Time will only tell if Megatron knows about Magnus' arrival.

Sabrblade wrote:What? How'd Megatron know about Magnus's arrival so quickly?

Archanubis wrote:He may have been referring to Wheeljack, not Magnus. Time will only tell if Megatron knows about Magnus' arrival.

Also Magnus' giant ship isn't hard to miss

Archanubis wrote:
Also, I wonder if Predaking is as "mute" as Starscream claims he is. Or as "under control" as Shockwave claims. Remember what happened the last time Shockwave thought a "Beastfomer" was under his control?

In the scene of Predaking's return to the citadel/tower/fort/thing, when Starscream is taunting it by calling it a 'mute beast', something definitely stirs in the creature.


I'm still in love with Shockwave and his emotional antennae.

Va'al wrote:

Archanubis wrote:
Also, I wonder if Predaking is as "mute" as Starscream claims he is. Or as "under control" as Shockwave claims. Remember what happened the last time Shockwave thought a "Beastfomer" was under his control?

In the scene of Predaking's return to the citadel/tower/fort/thing, when Starscream is taunting it by calling it a 'mute beast', something definitely stirs in the creature.

I noted that too. and episode 56 IS titled "Rebellion" that could mean we have a rogue Predaking on our hands.

Thrilled Shockwave's back, and glad he got so much screentime. David Sobolov's actually growing on me a bit, as I initially hated casting Depth Charge as Shockwave, but the voice works much better than I thought after its been processed.

Also glad to see Ultra Magnusprovide a ship, and for Ratchet, Bumblebee and Raf to use the Harbinger as a temporary base of operations. The show's use of continuity here is great, even if it's pretty clear the Autobots are still pretty monumentally boned.

Sad about certain ambiguities. If UM is leader of the Wreckers, why hadn't Bulkhead met him yet?

Alas, poor Laserbeak. Hope he's not gonna die and get replaced by Ravage.

That said, I wish the US airing had been a three part production like the Singapore premiere, but it's currently scheduled to run only one episode at a time... now the wait for new eps will be that much harder.

Oh, and...

MICHAEL

F*CKING

IRONSIDE!

Henry921 wrote:Sad about certain ambiguities. If UM is leader of the Wreckers, why hadn't Bulkhead met him yet?

Same reason Smokescreen hadn't met Optimus although he's the leader of the Autobots. Bulkhead said it was an "honor," so he had to know who he was.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Henry921 wrote:Sad about certain ambiguities. If UM is leader of the Wreckers, why hadn't Bulkhead met him yet?

Same reason Smokescreen hadn't met Optimus although he's the leader of the Autobots. Bulkhead said it was an "honor," so he had to know who he was.

Granted, it's certainly plausible, but it does seem odd Bulkhead never met the Wreckers leader before. I guess in the Aligned continuity the Wreckers aren't as close knit as they have been in previous incarnations. Maybe they're large enough to be a sub-faction rather than a single unit.

Henry921 wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Henry921 wrote:Sad about certain ambiguities. If UM is leader of the Wreckers, why hadn't Bulkhead met him yet?

Same reason Smokescreen hadn't met Optimus although he's the leader of the Autobots. Bulkhead said it was an "honor," so he had to know who he was.

Granted, it's certainly plausible, but it does seem odd Bulkhead never met the Wreckers leader before. I guess in the Aligned continuity the Wreckers aren't as close knit as they have been in previous incarnations. Maybe they're large enough to be a sub-faction rather than a single unit.

Another possibility is that Ultra Magnus assumed command after Bulkhead had left and Wheeljack had been seperated from the wreckers. It's already cannon that Bulk left for team prime well before Jackie and the wreckers were scattered for awhile.

Foxbear wrote:

Henry921 wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Henry921 wrote:Sad about certain ambiguities. If UM is leader of the Wreckers, why hadn't Bulkhead met him yet?

Same reason Smokescreen hadn't met Optimus although he's the leader of the Autobots. Bulkhead said it was an "honor," so he had to know who he was.

Granted, it's certainly plausible, but it does seem odd Bulkhead never met the Wreckers leader before. I guess in the Aligned continuity the Wreckers aren't as close knit as they have been in previous incarnations. Maybe they're large enough to be a sub-faction rather than a single unit.

Another possibility is that Ultra Magnus assumed command after Bulkhead had left and Wheeljack had been seperated from the wreckers. It's already cannon that Bulk left for team prime well before Jackie and the wreckers were scattered for awhile.

According the novels, Magnus was definitely in command during the time that bulkhead would have served in the Wreckers, as Bulkhead left Cybertron aboard the Ark, and Magnus was in command of the Wreckers both before and after the Ark launch, having been one of the group's founding members.

I'm just hoping that Bulkhead meant "It's an honor" to be in Maguns' presence or to serve with Magnus once again or something.

Foxbear wrote:Another possibility is that Ultra Magnus assumed command after Bulkhead had left

Ultra Magnus was leader of the Wreckers during the War. Bulkhead was one of the very last to board the Ark and join what would become "Team Prime," which was toward the "end" of the war. Therefore, Bulkhead had to be serving the Wreckers while Ultra Magnus was in command.

PrymeStriker wrote:That's kind of what I wanted. One way or the other I suppose, but I would've preferred Shockwave die and let the Shockwave this season be one of his many avatars across Cybertron, or the Shockwave from "Out of the Past" be an avatar and the original Shockwave come in this season.

Thing is, Shockwave being able to be killed without actually dying thanks having multiple avatars would feel like a cop-out to those who hadn't read "Rage of the Dinobots". I myself kinda found it to feel a bit like a cheat when I read it, as it made Shockwave's not-death feel more like a hollow attempt of being dramatic just for the sake of it.

PrymeStriker wrote:He ain't dead, is he?

Didn't say so. Just said that a nice big bonk could "beat" him, not "kill" him.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Eat that Geewunners.

epic brohoof

Yeah, it's basically like if G1 Megatron, after having changed bodies so many times, suddenly once said, "Why would I ever want to go back to being a handgun? That was a stupid altmode that I never want to turn into ever again."

Is no one really going to comment on the fact that Shockwave's antennae move like an insect's?