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What I mean? When a Transformers transform, everything it is made of is still there. The overall weigh of the robot should be the same of it's alternate form. Also, there's a limit of how much volume change happening.

The worst offender is of course, the G1 original series:

>There's an Autobot who is hurt. No problem! Ratchet, change into an ambulance. and transport that guy who was as big as you, INSIDE you. Oh while were at it, two or three more Transformers will climb in too!

>G1 Jetfire was quite big, but not big enough to carry ten Autobots!
>Pffft Astrotrain said Jetfire is small time. He carry as much dudes as Jetfire while in space shuttle mode. Note that in robot mode, Astrotrain is the same size or even smaller than your average Decepticon.

>Everybody climb on the Omega Supreme rocket. Uppon arrival, only the Omega Supreme rocket is on the new planet. Omega magically call back the rest of his body when he transform back. (BTW, War for Cybertron Omega Supreme is awesome!)

>A security guard carry a boom-box and a **** GUN, in his arms, inside a facility. The objects transform into GIANT Soundwave and Megatron! Lol infiltration!

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Recent offender is Arcee in the all new, Animated/Bay hybrid, "Transformers: Prime". Why when Arcee is in robot mode, one of her leg alone is as big as she should normally be? As far as I know, A bike cannot become a robot big like a truck would be.

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So, what do you think about all these illogical size and weigh changes? Why they keep doing the same mistakes even with the 2010-2011 series?

Except the movie, they are cartoons aimed at children. Let's not over-think it.

But even then, the story take itself seriously. It's not Loony Tunes, for crying out loud. And pointing something that squarely "in your face" is not over-thinking.

It just so happens that the good people at Tfwiki wrote an article on the subject.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scale

Read up.

You're new aren't you? The toys are going to break your heart.

Yeah... scale hasn't been 'right' since... the beginning? Before the beginning? Just let it go.

Well, Prime hasn't done this yet. Except in the first episode, when Arcee transforms in the alley she gets noticiably bigger in robot mode.

Of course, I don't mean to take a measuring tape and a scale and analise the robots data like some hopeless nerd.

It's just that since my young childhood, when I saw the original series on TV, that was something I noticed right away.

If there would be a average sized Transformer that would change into a bus, I'm betting a buck that 30 Transformers the size of Optimus would ride in like nothing.

Oh lololololololol... Oh god oh god oh god.... Okay, okay, get this: I want... no, I request... no, I DEMAND that there's a Transformer who change into... A CLOWN CAR!!!! Buahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! OOoooohhh I'm too good!

Windsweeper wrote:You're new aren't you? The toys are going to break your heart.

I was only talking about the shows. I never gave a tought about the toys themselves. Reading the Transformer Wiki page, I found this gem:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scale wrote:Broadside transforms from an Earth fighter jet of indeterminate model (let's pretend for the sake of argument that he's supposed to be an F-14 and say he's 18 meters (61 feet) long) into an entire aircraft carrier, approximately 333 meters (1,092 feet) long.

Lemme tell you I howled with laughter! Broadside is really GOD-TIER!

Man, like I said to tigertracks24:

Kanrabat- wrote:Oh lololololololol... Oh god oh god oh god.... Okay, okay, get this: I want... no, I request... no, I DEMAND that there's a Transformer who change into... A CLOWN CAR!!!! Buahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! OOoooohhh I'm too good!

Granted, there are two.


(You know there will be a clown car repaint eventually...)



For everything else, there is Mass shifting.

Kanrabat- wrote:Oh lololololololol... Oh god oh god oh god.... Okay, okay, get this: I want... no, I request... no, I DEMAND that there's a Transformer who change into... A CLOWN CAR!!!! Buahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! OOoooohhh I'm too good!

There is. It's name is War For Cybertron Bumblebee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSELOUysNQo&feature=player_detailpage#t=129s

Kanrabat- wrote:Astrotrain is the same size or even smaller than your average Decepticon.

There were times he was shown to be a bit bigger then your average con.

I wasn't bothered by it when I was six, and I'm not bothered by it now. It doesn't detract from my overall enjoyment of those classic cartoons.

I wasn't bothered by it when I was six, and I'm not bothered by it now. It doesn't detract from my overall enjoyment of those classic cartoons.

Maybe that's off topic, but this tip the scale into the surreal:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Biorobo-Japanese-Pop ... 2eaa32d2ad

What do you think?

Bumping my first thread ever (I think) on this site to say a stupid thing:

I want a Unicron toy in scale with my transformers!

-Kanrabat- wrote:Bumping my first thread ever (I think) on this site to say a stupid thing:

I want a Unicron toy in scale with my transformers!

Just put the existing one next to a bunch of the Smallest Transforming Transformers.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Bumping my first thread ever (I think) on this site to say a stupid thing:

I want a Unicron toy in scale with my transformers!

Just put the existing one next to a bunch of the Smallest Transforming Transformers.

Even then, only grains of sand could be somewhat in scale. And that is only if the grains of sand represent huge TF like Devastator, Omega Supreme, Tripticon, and FortMax.

Wow.... I bet you really hate that ep where Hoist is sitting in Huffer's cab... or was it the other way round?

Seriously fella, its a cartoon, from the 80s, aimed at kids, there are bigger things to get your panties in a bunch over. And if you really need an answer, "sub-space".

Just Negare wrote:Wow.... I bet you really hate that ep where Hoist is sitting in Huffer's cab... or was it the other way round?

Seriously fella, its a cartoon, from the 80s, aimed at kids, there are bigger things to get your panties in a bunch over. And if you really need an answer, "sub-space".

I came to notice one thing about a very official law for the scale in the 1980's cartoon. ALL TF from this universe SHRINK dramatically when they go to robot mode. In vehicle or alt mode, they go to their normal size.

The master of this technique is Astrotrain. In robot mode, he's the same size as everybody else. But even is train mode, he's big enough so there's plenty of room for everyone to climb on board. EVEN DEVASTATOR WAS ABLE TO BE STANDING UP INSIDE!!! (See the 1986 movie. On a side note, lol @ Jazz's evil twin getting killed)

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Just Negare wrote:Wow.... I bet you really hate that ep where Hoist is sitting in Huffer's cab... or was it the other way round?

Seriously fella, its a cartoon, from the 80s, aimed at kids, there are bigger things to get your panties in a bunch over. And if you really need an answer, "sub-space".

I came to notice one thing about a very official law for the scale in the 1980's cartoon. ALL TF from this universe SHRINK dramatically when they go to robot mode. In vehicle or alt mode, they go to their normal size.

The master of this technique is Astrotrain. In robot mode, he's the same size as everybody else. But even is train mode, he's big enough so there's plenty of room for everyone to climb on board. EVEN DEVASTATOR WAS ABLE TO BE STANDING UP INSIDE!!! (See the 1986 movie. On a side note, lol @ Jazz's evil twin getting killed)

Astrotrain just folds up REAAAAAALY well. His weight exceeds that of Omega Supreme. I know because I personallt weighed them back in 1985.

Don't be silly, Jazz's evil twin was the one THAT SURVIVED!

IIRC, there was a Japanese source book that printed some size comparisons among the TFs. (Okay suspend your belief for a minute or so)

Reference the following:

Fortmax to Metroplex. Metroplex height just about reaches Fortmax's knees(just like the toy more or less). If that is the case, then a rough estimate for a gestalt would be the size of Metroplex's fists. And a Commander sized Autobot (Optimus Prime for example)would be the size of a gestalt's hand.

I'm not touching what goes on inside Cosmos,Astrotrain and Omega Supreme's vehicle modes.