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Sheesh, why the slag did they kill off Cliffjumper so easily!?

I mean come on! If you are going to have an autobot in the flippin' series thats going to get killed off, let him/her live for a few episodes, don't just kill the dude/dudette in 3 puny munites! And then, Jack, he just runs away, Arcee tells him to never speak of her, and then tells him to get on again after she dumps him? Seriously, if I was her, .... I would've tooken the kid far away, not dump him off in an alley where the s are at. How many of you thought that first episode was just a tad screwed up...

Gyrotron wrote:

Sheesh, why the slag did they kill off Cliffjumper so easily!?

Because Dwayne Johnson's a more expensive actor than the others. He was a guest character.

Gyrotron wrote:I mean come on! If you are going to have an autobot in the flippin' series thats going to get killed off, let him/her live for a few episodes, don't just kill the dude/dudette in 3 puny munites!

We already got to know the guy pretty well in the Prime graphic novel that takes place prior to episode 1. Anyone with a little spare cash is perfectly capable of picking up a copy and reading it.

Gyrotron wrote:And then, Jack, he just runs away,

DUH! He was freaked out by a self-riding, talking motorcycle! And he was being chased down by some psychotic car trying to run him down!

What, did you want him to stand still and get mauled?

Gyrotron wrote:Arcee tells him to never speak of her,

Her existence is supposed to be a secret.

Gyrotron wrote:and then tells him to get on again after she dumps him?

How was she supposed to know one Eradicon would go after him too? She only thought that she would be their primary target, not some insignificant human.

Gyrotron wrote:Seriously, if I was her, .... I would've tooken the kid far away, not dump him off in an alley where the s are at.

She had to get rid of him because he was a burden to her. With him around, she had to defend both herself and Jack, having to be cautious of his safety, instead of being able to go full force on the offense and defense, without having to worry about some human kid.

Gyrotron wrote:How many of you thought that first episode was just a tad screwed up...

Your opinions seem pretty premature if that's all you thought about it.

Admittedly, the first episode was far from perfect. It had its ups and downs, but it was nowhere near the train wreck you've made it out to be.

The animation was fluid, the acting and scripting were solid, the action was good, and the plot was interesting enough to keep you wanting more. It successfully served its purpose of introducing the main characters and setting up the premise of the series. It wasn't trying to be epically amazing, but it fulfilled its purpose fair enough.

I'd say the only real problem with episode 1 is that it wasn't all that "fun". It portrayed a very dark and serious tone set up for the series. There were very little humorous and/or lax moments, as it proceeded to formulate a critical scenario to kick of the series with a straight face. This is kind of a nice change from some of the more light-hearted series of the past... but it still needed that feeling of excitement and friendly-appeal to bring in those who want to be cheerfully entertained.

Some of this did come in later parts of the mini-series, and hopefully more will play out in later episodes. But episode 1 just wasn't that fun of an episode. It was definitely "cool" and had great potential, but lacked in the "fun" department.

I know her identity is supposed to be a secret. That one you just screwed up on.

Mind keeping your quotes in one, instead of scattering them?

Gyrotron wrote:I know her identity is supposed to be a secret. That one you just screwed up on.

Mind keeping your quotes in one, instead of scattering them?

It was easier to respond to each point individually, rather than making one giant, unorganized, incoherent response.

And how did I mess up on her identity being a secret? She tells him to forget she ever existed because he wasn't supposed to find out about her and get involved in the Autobot-Decepticon conflict.

Normally, I don't get involved in things like this... could be I'm just having one of those days...

Here goes.

Man... that was a lot of bitching about the first episode of a show... Maybe if we were a season in or so, and they did something completely out of sorts for the show, I could stand to hear someone gripe about it, but as it's the first gorram episode I really don't see where anyone has any right to complain about things like "why did they write that? Why did they do that?". If it was characterization issues with the way characters we've loved since G1 are portrayed, that's one thing (and easily cleared up with a "This isn't [insert favourite TF show/comic title here]") but going on about what';s "wrong" the first episode with a total disregard for what their decisions mean or what could come from them? Give me a break.

I personally thought the episode was well written enough to warrant my interest in the series as a whole... and in the case of the elements you find "screwed up" I found them at least called for, and in some cases rather necessary from a narrative point of view. Could it perhaps be that the narrative is too complex for you to follow, and you should maybe go back to watching Michael Bay's "BOOM BOOM! EXPLOSIONS! ROBOTS FIGHTING! PLOT? WHAT'S THAT? BOOM!" entries into the franchise. In any case, I dare you... straight up DARE you to write something better.
If you can prove me wrong, I will eat my words, and as that is physically impossible as my words are digital, I will eat the monitor I'm reading them on.

Well, I guess you came up with something to gripe about other than "Bumblebee not talking is lame" or "what's wrong with Prime's face?".

The first episode was disturbing, and it was meant to be that way. It sets up the tone for the whole series. A lot of us have expressed that we like the dark, more mature tone in the show. I get that it wouldn't be everyone's cup o' tea.

I thought the show was awesome, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Samsonator wrote:
I personally thought the episode was well written enough to warrant my interest in the series as a whole... and in the case of the elements you find "screwed up" I found them at least called for, and in some cases rather necessary from a narrative point of view. Could it perhaps be that the narrative is too complex for you to follow, and you should maybe go back to watching Michael Bay's "BOOM BOOM! EXPLOSIONS! ROBOTS FIGHTING! PLOT? WHAT'S THAT? BOOM!" entries into the franchise. In any case, I dare you... straight up DARE you to write something better.
If you can prove me wrong, I will eat my words, and as that is physically impossible as my words are digital, I will eat the monitor I'm reading them on.

I can do that easy.

I like the show so far, but the lack of the number of transformers is disturbing (there were more characters in Beast Wars, and it was made ~15 years ago)
My only complaints are with the humans:
1. They are annoying, especially the tech kid who can break a NASA code under seconds, and looks like he just escaped from Shrek 4.
2. The whole town is a ghost town, there are no people other than necessary.

Samsonator wrote: perhaps be that the narrative is too complex for you to follow, and you should maybe go back to watching Michael Bay's "BOOM BOOM! EXPLOSIONS! ROBOTS FIGHTING! PLOT? WHAT'S THAT? BOOM!" entries into the franchise.

I hate when people use every opportunity possible to bash the movie with no reason.

Chaoslock wrote:I like the show so far, but the lack of the number of transformers is disturbing (there were more characters in Beast Wars, and it was made ~15 years ago)

No idea what Beast Wars' age has to do with the size of the cast list in the pilot.

Of course, Beast Wars started with only five Maximals and five Predacons. (Counting Dinobot as a Maximal and not a Predacon) So it started with ten characters.

On the flip side, Prime has five Autobots (Not counting Cliffjumper) four Decepticons (Counting Eradicons, but not counting Breakdown and Knockout since they haven't appeared yet) and four major humans. So that's 13 characters. Plus, being a Transformers series, more WILL show up.

Shadowman wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:I like the show so far, but the lack of the number of transformers is disturbing (there were more characters in Beast Wars, and it was made ~15 years ago)

No idea what Beast Wars' age has to do with the size of the cast list in the pilot.

Beast Wars had a limit of how many characters could be animated at the same time (financial/technological issues) - that's why some characters were dropped out from time to time. The four Decepticon models introduced so far is too few.

Chaoslock wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:I like the show so far, but the lack of the number of transformers is disturbing (there were more characters in Beast Wars, and it was made ~15 years ago)

No idea what Beast Wars' age has to do with the size of the cast list in the pilot.

Beast Wars had a limit of how many characters could be animated at the same time (financial/technological issues) - that's why some characters were dropped out from time to time. The four Decepticon models introduced so far is too few.

It's a completely unfounded complaint. EVERY TF series starts with a small cast of Transformers that grows over time. 10 has been a fairly average starting number since Beast Wars. Just because the cast is small now (It's actually larger than Beast Wars) doesn't mean it's going to be small forever. Even so, there have still been far more characters on screen at once in Prime than there ever was in Beast Wars.

Shadowman wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:I like the show so far, but the lack of the number of transformers is disturbing (there were more characters in Beast Wars, and it was made ~15 years ago)

No idea what Beast Wars' age has to do with the size of the cast list in the pilot.

Beast Wars had a limit of how many characters could be animated at the same time (financial/technological issues) - that's why some characters were dropped out from time to time. The four Decepticon models introduced so far is too few.

It's a completely unfounded complaint. EVERY TF series starts with a small cast of Transformers that grows over time. 10 has been a fairly average starting number since Beast Wars. Just because the cast is small now (It's actually larger than Beast Wars) doesn't mean it's going to be small forever. Even so, there have still been far more characters on screen at once in Prime than there ever was in Beast Wars.

Thank you for your concern, but it is my complaint, and for me, it is not unfounded.

So far, EVERY tf shows either showed a foreshadowing of more characters to come, or at least told a reason why the cast consisted of so few actual characters (drones not counted)

Chaoslock wrote:Thank you for your concern, but it is my complaint, and for me, it is not unfounded.

Uh, yeah it is. You're acting as if this is the entirety of the cast for the whole series. This is a completely unreasonable complaint, especially if you've seen any other Transformers series ever.

Chaoslock wrote:So far, EVERY tf shows either showed a foreshadowing of more characters to come, or at least told a reason why the cast consisted of so few actual characters (drones not counted)

So what? We know for a fact there will be more characters in Prime. What's the big deal that there's only a few now? It was the pilot, you're acting as if this is going to be the status quo for the whole series. And like I said, the starting cast is still larger than Beast Wars'.

How many times do I have to explain to you "This is about average for the starting cast for a Transformers series" before you finally get it?

Shadowman wrote:It was the pilot, you're acting as if this is going to be the status quo for the whole series.

No I'm only thinking starting with such small numbers in this context is a stupid idea.

Shadowman wrote:And like I said, the starting cast is still larger than Beast Wars'.

How many times do I have to explain to you "This is about average for the starting cast for a Transformers series" before you finally get it?

I don't CARE if it is the average starting numbers, since other shows started with only groups with minor numbers fending off other groups with minor numbers. In BW, a science vessel that was accidentally close to a few Predacon renegades who stole an artifact were the main cast.
This time, the autobots are supposedly are on the front line, and they only have a few members left. Hell, in old times, a subgroup contained the same number of bots that are present.

Chaoslock wrote:

Shadowman wrote:It was the pilot, you're acting as if this is going to be the status quo for the whole series.

No I'm only thinking starting with such small numbers in this context is a stupid idea.

Then it must have been a stupid idea in every other series, huh?

Chaoslock wrote:

Shadowman wrote:And like I said, the starting cast is still larger than Beast Wars'.

How many times do I have to explain to you "This is about average for the starting cast for a Transformers series" before you finally get it?

I don't CARE if it is the average starting numbers, since other shows started with only groups with minor numbers fending off other groups with minor numbers. In BW, a science vessel that was accidentally close to a few Predacon renegades who stole an artifact were the main cast.
This time, the autobots are supposedly are on the front line, and they only have a few members left. Hell, in old times, a subgroup contained the same number of bots that are present.

Did you listen to what anyone actually said about the Decepticons? They thought the Decepticons left Earth. They keep saying things like "They're back" and "I thought they left." They aren't on the front lines, they're just stranded on a planet that they thought they had successfully defended.

And where did it say these were the last Autobots in the universe? They were the last ones on Earth, that doesn't mean they're the last Autobots in existence.

It's the freaking pilot. How many times do I need to explain to you that they will add more characters later as they do with every series before you finally get it?

2 characters have been confirmed already like Shadowman said; Brakedown & Knock Out... and I would bet my pinkie finger that the seekers & ironhide will show up later.

JetOptimus23 wrote:2 characters have been confirmed already like Shadowman said; Brakedown & Knock Out... and I would bet my pinkie finger that the seekers & ironhide will show up later.

I bet both my hands that more characters than that will show up. I'm not even joking, if there are no more new characters besides the ones JetOptimus just mentioned, I will post the location of my house and invite you over to cut off my hands and do whatever you like with them.

Technically one of those characters, Breakdown, has already been seen (just not in an episode yet).

Prime's face is trippy, everyone's faces are trippy, really.

Starscream's hands remind me of those cat toy gloves with long fingers and pompoms glued on the fingertips. I'm just waiting for Ravage to claw his trippy face off.

The episode was... Violent, not kidding, not one really died in G1(correct me if I'm wrong, it's been awhile (I'm not counting the movie)) it was a kids show. But if I were babysitting some kid and this came on, I'd make them go to bed so I could watch it.

Arcee's a drama queen.

But I love Ratchet. He's definitely my favorite until Jazz shows up.

I guess I am complaining, but there's nothing I can do to change the show. So I don't intend to send any death threats to anyone, it's just a cartoon. I'll watch it for Ratch or somethin'