The Energon Pub

Oh
My
God
Such a long list I couldn't read it all but Exodus is extremely different.

Gyrotron wrote:Oh
My
God
Such a long list I couldn't read it all but Exodus is extremely different.

Same here, actually. Good lord, man, how long did it take you to type all that up? And the coloring and list-making. Christ, you must have been here all night.

Also, as far as unaligned "neutral" characters go...the first mission in the Decepticon campaign in WfC features Starscream's neutral army, distinguished by their yellow lighting, as opposed to the Autobots' red lighting or the Decepticons purple lighting.

Shadowman wrote:Same here, actually. Good lord, man, how long did it take you to type all that up? And the coloring and list-making. Christ, you must have been here all night.

Well, not exactly. I did it the old fashioned way by typing it all in MS Word (tags and all) and then copying/pasting it into here. As for how long it took me to accumulate all this info: MONTHS!

Shadowman wrote:Also, as far as unaligned "neutral" characters go...the first mission in the Decepticon campaign in WfC features Starscream's neutral army, distinguished by their yellow lighting, as opposed to the Autobots' red lighting or the Decepticons purple lighting.

Yeah, I know. But I was mostly trying to keep it to just "named" characters instead all the footsoldiers that show up. Still, those who served under Starscream and survived likely became Cons after Level 1.

I actually read most of that, just fantastic.

Very well researched.

You guys should have seen my reaction when it said that my post was too long (over 90000 characters, when the limit is 60000).

Sabrblade wrote:You guys should have seen my reaction when it said that my post was too long (over 90000 characters, when the limit is 60000).

Sweet Zombie Jesus. I didn't even know there was a cap like that. Imagine if you put all this effort into...I dunno, medical science. You'd cure every disease tomorrow.

Shadowman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You guys should have seen my reaction when it said that my post was too long (over 90000 characters, when the limit is 60000).

Sweet Zombie Jesus. I didn't even know there was a cap like that. Imagine if you put all this effort into...I dunno, medical science. You'd cure every disease tomorrow.

And to think that this was partially a follow up to your "WFC cannot be a prequel to G1" topic. Now, people can see the same for Exodus. As well as see how it's different from WFC and other series.

Here's what I always said without all the typing.

Transformers: Exodus or whatever its called.

Its a good read actually, just consider it stand alone and enjoy it for what it is nothing less and nothing more.

I liked it, it qualified as genuine crapper material.

I will get the new book as well, and like the first one, read it for what is and and accept it as such.

U researched a crazy amount of info there man, u need a break now

Very nice. i always wanted to do something like this but to lazy to with so much info.

If anyone here knows of someone who still thinks and that either Exodus or WFC is a prequel to G1, the movies, or anything other than TF: Prime, you may show them this list to enlighten them.

W-O-W!
Sabrblade...I'm stunned speechless buddy! This is amazing! I'm still going through it, but I wanted to say congrats!

Rodimus the Prime wrote:W-O-W!
Sabrblade...I'm stunned speechless buddy! This is amazing! I'm still going through it, but I wanted to say congrats!

You flatter me, sir.

Keep going, as there's plenty to see.

Okay, this is impressive. A few minor nits here and there with my own interpretations of some of the canon-but still damned impressive.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:A few minor nits here and there with my own interpretations of some of the canon-but still damned impressive.

While doing this, I was mostly trying to ignore as many personal views and opinions of the canon and present everything as it's told at face value.

Sabrblade wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:A few minor nits here and there with my own interpretations of some of the canon-but still damned impressive.

While doing this, I was mostly trying to ignore as many personal views and opinions of the canon and present everything as it's told at face value.

It's two things.

1. Hound doesn't know about energon cubes... just Hound. It's also the wording he uses. 'Some kind of cube'. It doesn;t suggest to me that the other Autobots don't know or don't use cubes themselves. As for the recharing chamber, it's simply more convenient for them it seems.

Add the visual evidence in War Dawn and energon cubes aren't an exclusively-Decepticon technology.

2. I never got the idea that all Autobts are nameless until named in Autobot Boot Camp in TF:A. I doubt every single Autobot went through it.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:1. Hound doesn't know about energon cubes... just Hound. It's also the wording he uses. 'Some kind of cube'. It doesn;t suggest to me that the other Autobots don't know or don't use cubes themselves. As for the recharing chamber, it's simply more convenient for them it seems.

The "Traitor" episode implies that the Autobots don't use Energon Cubes. When Cliffjumper tells Prime and Ratchet that he saw Mirage carrying two Energon Cubes, Ratchet is completely baffled at where and how Mirage could have gotten Energon Cubes from. If the Autobots used them, it would have been simple to assume that Mirage got them from the Autobots' own supply, yet Ratchet is confused as to how Mirage could have acquired Energon Cubes at all. Not simply the fact that he has them, but that he was able to get them from somewhere period.

And why can't the Recharging Chambers be the Autobots' energy recharging source?

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Add the visual evidence in War Dawn and energon cubes aren't an exclusively-Decepticon technology.

The dialogue in that episode never once used the word "energon" to refer to that stack of energy. Only the word "energy" was used.

Plus, this isn't the only time that the animators used the look of Energon Cubes for something that wasn't Energon. The Combaticons' Personality Components, for example, were drawn as Energon Cubes when the script for "Starscream's Brigade" called for a different design for them (glowing green cubes with words of warning written on them, and then later colored ebony). Not to mention that, despite looking exactly like Energon Cubes in the episode "Starscream's Brigade", the "B.O.T." episode drew them looking significantly more detailed and gadget-like.

Plus, the opening narration of the first episode says that the planet had been drained of its "once rich resources of energy", not specifically energon. And the glowing orange conductors Wheeljack and Bumblebee steal are said to hold "energy", not "energon". Coupled with Hound's unfamiliarity with energon, we cannot say that Energon had been the sole source of energy used by the Transformers before coming to Earth in the G1 cartoon. If it had been, then it's really stretching to say that Hound never knew the name of the very stuff he had lived on for all of his life.

I've also just started reading the old Marvel G1 comics and this argument is supported there too since ten issues in and not once has the word "energon" ever been brought up by either side. Only the words "energy" and "fuel" have been mentioned (the latter much moreso than the former).

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:2. I never got the idea that all Autobts are nameless until named in Autobot Boot Camp in TF:A. I doubt every single Autobot went through it.

Eh, I just went with what the show and Almanacs gave us, with them saying that those who attended Autobot Boot Camp got their names there and acted like they hadn't been called much of anything else before. Both the sergeants and the cadets reacted like the cadets were nobodies until they got their names there.

Now it is entirely possible that the cadets went by some previous identifier prior to entering boot camp, but that notion wasn't really explored so I just took what we were given and had to work with it.

The other is an ancient group of space-faring Transformers (including Jetfire) who served under the Dynasty of Primes.

Is that from the movie comics? Because IIRC in the film Jetfire states that he is (or was) a Decepticon working for the Fallen and he quits because he didn't like their negative attitudes or something like that.

Cyberstrike wrote:

The other is an ancient group of space-faring Transformers (including Jetfire) who served under the Dynasty of Primes.

IIRC in the film Jetfire states that he is (or was) a Decepticon working for the Fallen and he quits because he didn't like their negative attitudes or something like that.

The Comics established Jetfire as one of the ancient Seekers.

Cyberstrike wrote:

The other is an ancient group of space-faring Transformers (including Jetfire) who served under the Dynasty of Primes.

IIRC in the film Jetfire states that he is (or was) a Decepticon working for the Fallen and he quits because he didn't like their negative attitudes or something like that.

And Jetfire was one of these Seekers who served under the Prime Dynasty. They were charged with seeking out stars to be used to recharge the AllSpark. Only after The Fallen went rogue did they become Decepticon-affiliated.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I actually read most of that, just fantastic.

Very well researched.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see that you were one of the few who, like me, made it through nearly all of that.

That is astounding work there Saberblade!

That takes a devotion to detail and history that few folks possess the patience for. The truly scary part is that there is actually room to add more detail points to all of this. I would hope, for the sake of your own sanity, that you are not going to attempt to tackle any further detailing on this any time soon. What you have done is truly amazing. You deserve some kind of plaque or medal for this. We'll have to hit up some of our modders and customs guys to see what they can come up with for you.

T-Macksimus wrote:The truly scary part is that there is actually room to add more detail points to all of this. I would hope, for the sake of your own sanity, that you are not going to attempt to tackle any further detailing on this any time soon.

Yep. For while I had considered adding info from the Marvel G1/G2 comics, the Dreamwave G1 comics, the IDW G1 comics, the Dreamwave Armada/Energon comics, the RiD cartoon, the Titan movie comics, the Japanese G1 cartoons, and other sources as well. But, I figured it would be best to stick with both the English side of the fiction and what I knew best, as I could have gotten false info from secondary sources.

Plus, things like the RiD cartoon didn't have as much necessary backstory material to be included in here. While I could have said something about how Optimus got the Matrix there or how Ultra Magnus and he were brothers, or how the Predacons were dominate enemry faction, the accumulated info from that series wouldn't add up to the competing number of info from other series.

T-Macksimus wrote:What you have done is truly amazing. You deserve some kind of plaque or medal for this. We'll have to hit up some of our modders and customs guys to see what they can come up with for you.

Meeting some of ya'll at BotCon might be rewarding enough.

Okay, lots of evidence on energy/energon. I concede, partly.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:2. I never got the idea that all Autobts are nameless until named in Autobot Boot Camp in TF:A. I doubt every single Autobot went through it.

Eh, I just went with what the show and Almanacs gave us, with them saying that those who attended Autobot Boot Camp got their names there and acted like they hadn't been called much of anything else before. Both the sergeants and the cadets reacted like the cadets were nobodies until they got their names there.

Now it is entirely possible that the cadets went by some previous identifier prior to entering boot camp, but that notion wasn't really explored so I just took what we were given and had to work with it.[/quote]
Of course they're nobodies when first arriving. That's what a boot camp does to the cadets-break them down and rebuild them into soldiers. I don't think Rosanna attended boot camp, and she's got a name.