The Energon Pub

Debate!!! Which Transformers alternate Universe/reality,had the
warriors with the highest power levels & which was the most epic as
far as destruction & Choas is concerned.

The Transformers alternate/reality universe contenders are as follows:

Generation one cartoon series universe,which consist of the USA 4
seasons,then the various japanese exclusive G-1 cartoons like
headmasters,masterforce,victory,zone,battle stars,operation
combination. beastwars,beastwars 2nd,beastwars neo & beastmachines.

Generation one marvel TF comics universe. which consist of G-1 & G-2

Generation one DW TF comic

Generation one IDW TF comic

TFCR/RID cartoon universe

Armada,energon,Cybertron cartoon universe.

Animated cartoon universe

Micheal bay live action TF movie verse.

Here's my 2 cents on this thread.
I think the G-1 cartoon universe clearly wins,With the AEC cartoon
universe coming in at a close second.

WHY Does The G-1 cartoon universe win? Because the transformers kept
getting stronger,bigger & more power as the various different series
progressed. the "master" technology made the transformers extremly
powerful. in battle stars/return of convoy Starconvoy was bigger than a gestalt & had a rare but powerful enew energy inside him that made him invinceable. super megatron was the strongest decepticon warrior ever created. the destruction & Choas in the G-1 cartoon universe spanned from unicron destroying everything in the movie. to planet cybertron getting destroyed in the headmasters cartoon series. to earth nearly getting destroyed in master force. battle stars/return of convoy was the final show down battle where both convoy & megatron were rebuilt & empowered by new energy & made invincable. flash
forward 500 years & we get beastwars,where the predacons try to re-
write history thanks to G-1 megatron's golden disk. beastwars 2nd
takes place around the year 2500 where the maximals & predacons battle
it out on almost dead planet called Gaeia which is later revealed to
be the earth. beastwars neo was all about trying to capture unicrons
energy into capsules & revive unicron. unicron in BWneo almost came
back to life & destroyed cybertron. beastmachines show megatron
creating a virus & wiping out the life forms on cybertron. BM shows
megatron & primal fighting it out to restore cybertron. the end of BM showed cybertron refotmated into a techno-organic planet.

Here's how I rate the other Transformers universes:

AEC,Armada,energon & Cybertron rates second because as follows: the
minicons in armada were powerful batteries that powered up the
transformers & un-locked secret weapons. unicron was in armada &
caused choas & destruction. Energon also had unicron which was used to either create or destroy stuff. energon had warriors from armada that upgraded into newer powerful forms like liking up or just getting powerful new bodies.cybertron showed the warriors with the highest power levels,strenght & size. the power was in the cyber keys & absorbing the power from unicron & primus. the choas.destruction & pressure to complete the mission before the unicron black hole sucked everything up & destroyed it was at all time powerful levels.

Rid & Animated weren't as epic & the warriors power levels weren't
that high compared to other transformers universes. no unicron,no
primus. nothing big got destroyed. the earth & cybertron received very
little battle inflicted damage. the warriors just weren't that
powerful compared to other transformers universes.
at best these transformers were of average strenght. the battles while
epic just couldn't compare to the epicness of the other transformers
universes

Micheal bay live action movie verse: Dare I say this universe has the
WEAKEST warriors,with the WEAKEST last stand final battle fights.
their is nothin epic in these battles. the warriors & few & rather
tiny in size compared to the transformers warriors in other
transfomers universes. dare I also say these transformers are the most
amateur & un-skilled of all the transformers universes out their.

AS FAR AS COMICS TF UNIVERSES GOES: nothing will ever beat marvel as
far as having the most epic battles & final epic show down battles.
the warriors in marvel were greater in number & extremly powerful. DW
is perhaps the weakest TF comic universe. while IDW appears to take
second place thanks to strong warriors introduced in the comics like
Overlord,Galvatron,cyclonus & scourge. a lot more epic,more powerful
battles happened in IDW than DW.

Ho wow, there´s alot to choose from... I´ll say Thunderwing from the G1 Marvel comics, I love that guy.

Hmm, well, there's really no debate about it. There's really only one story that has the most astronomically powerful warriors of all time: Alternity.

This story was beyond epic. Possibly the biggest event ever constructed in Transformers fiction. The sheer scale of this story was cosmic, with the whole of reality itself being the set battleground.

Fighting on the side of the Autobots were the Alternity and the Protectors.

The Alternity are higher-dimensional beings having evolved beyond the limits of Cybertronian life. They exist on a higher plane of existence, spanning the entire multiverse, and are contain a collective consciousness that consists of a combination of multiple versions of a single indivdual (i.e. - Alternity Convoy is every Convoy/Optimus Prime), enabling them to existing in all worlds simultaneously. In order to interact with the physical world, the Alternity make use of material vessels called Auto-Avatars, which resemble the forms of the ordinary lesser being Transformers, but contain characteristics of super-advanced nature of the Alternity (such as being constructed by higher-dimensional material Alternium).

However, as advanced as these Autobots have become, there is a limit to their power: they cannot travel to any times or worlds that existed prior to 2007. This is where the Protectors come in. While not being hyper-dimensional beings like the Alternity, they are elite soldiers who served under the Alternity and are charged with safeguarding timelines. They are able to travel back to times prior to 2003 to confront enemies to time/space who would pose threats at any given time before that year. Also unlike the Alternity, there is only one of each member, rather than each one being every iteration of that character.

To counter this, however, the Deceptcions have their own forces: the Megatron Aggregate and the Questors.

The Megatron Aggregate is the Cons's answer to the Alternity. Having trapped and absorbed the power of the gigantic and intangible "Beast of Time" Hytherion, Megatron had artificially produced his own path to achieving the same hyper-dimensional status of the Alternity. Hytherion is the largest and most fearsome opponent to have ever appeared in Transformers lore (moreso even than Unicron). Because of his cosmically-scaled nature, he is practicall invisible to the physical world of ordinary beings. Knowing this, Megatorn could have easily allowed him to devour time itself, thus eliminating the very origin of existence itself. However, Megs instead chose to take the god-beast's power into himself and forced a psuedo-Alternity metamorphosis upon himself, creating several Auto-Avatars of himself to form the Megatron Aggregate.

Aiding in Megatron's conquest of space-time are the Questors: Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker given new trans-dimensional bodies simialr to, but not as advanced as, those of the Alternity. Still, with their sparks encased in Alternium, they can traverse dimensions and eventually evolve to the higher-dimensional state of existence at which they would be able to combat the Alternity on even ground. The mission of the Questors is to help in the accessing Flatworld, a two-dimensional world that is the home of the Planicrons. The Planicrons are two-dimensional beings who have become the living embodiment of the phrase "'Till All Are One", having become a sophisticated single existence called the Cosmic Driver, which Megatron desires the power of in order to destroy the Alternity.

There has been no other TF fiction as so mind-bogglingly trans-dimensionally scaled as the fiction of the Alternity line.

my votes and reasons why:

1) G1
Strongest:no one character ACTUALLY died until the movie
Destruction/Chaos:They blew s*** up all the time.look at te dinobots

2) Bay-verse
Strongest:I LAUGH AT THE BAYVERSE FOR THEIR WEAKNESS!!!
Destruction/chaos:Destroyed half a city in movie #1,ripped opened the US navy fleet and the pyramids in #2,and or #3...Gooooooodd bye chicago

Animated's Decepticons are the most powerful enemies. It took the entire Autobot squad to take down Starscream; and they didn't even do it. His lust for power is what caused him to lose the battle in the end.

And the movies have the most destruction. You could also say Beast Machines, because they destroyed the entire idea of Transformers in the end.

Sorry guys, but the Alternity guys make every other breed of Transformers look like insignificant wusses (save for Primus and Unicron, it hasn't yet been stated how their powers compare to those two).

Why, they can wipe out entire worlds (not just planets, but the realities themselves) with just a finger snap or an eye blink.

Every single bit of damage and destruction caused by any of the TFs from G1, Beast Era, RiD, Unicron Trilogy, Movies, Animated, WFC/Exodus/Prime, etc. cannot even hope to stand up to the might of the hyper-dimensional abilities of the Alternity dudes. They're simply on a whole other level of existence and power that none of the other series bots could even begin to comprehend.

Even if every single stinkin' character ever conceived in the 26+ years of history were to be assembled together to fight against the guys of Alternity, all the Alternity guys would have to do is just barely make a move and every single one of thier opponents could be easily erased from existence in an instant.

It really isn't fair, though, that these guys are so powerful that they'd wipe the floor with anyone and everyone else. There's just no competition with these guys except between each other.

Sabrblade wrote:Sorry guys, but the Alternity guys make every other breed of Transformers look like insignificant wusses (save for Primus and Unicron, it hasn't yet been stated how their powers compare to those two).

Why, they can wipe out entire worlds (not just planets, but the realities themselves) with just a finger snap or an eye blink.

Every single bit of damage and destruction caused by any of the TFs from G1, Beast Era, RiD, Unicron Trilogy, Movies, Animated, WFC/Exodus/Prime, etc. cannot even hope to stand up to the might of the hyper-dimensional abilities of the Alternity dudes. They're simply on a whole other level of existence and power that none of the other series bots could even begin to comprehend.

Even if every single stinkin' character ever conceived in the 26+ years of history were to be assembled together to fight against the guys of Alternity, all the Alternity guys would have to do is just barely make a move and every single one of thier opponents could be easily erased from existence in an instant.

It really isn't fair, though, that these guys are so powerful that they'd wipe the floor with anyone and everyone else. There's just no competition with these guys except between each other.

Does it even make sense to ADD alternity. due to that Japanese toy bio writter guy getting way too carried away & reaching into the realm of the absurd. it appears this is the same guy/guys who wrote wrote all those uber weird/absurd binal tech toy tech spech bio's.

Anyways didn't a similar alternity story scenario happen in the TF Universe toy story bio's/tech specs. where unicron was feeding off the energy from the TF battles from all the alternate universes. where primus/vector prime bought back BM Primal & a crew to fight battles.

Honestly,did the alternity guys & villians cause any choas & mass destruction like the other alternate TF universes did?? to merely prevent something is not considered choas/destruction. it has to actually happen to count. as various alternate TF universes prevented choas/destruction from happening.

Personally if were gonna add alternity than we might as well just count that silly G-1 TF season 3 episode as canon where that pig dude claimed to create unicron.

deathy wrote:Does it even make sense to ADD alternity. due to that Japanese toy bio writter guy getting way too carried away & reaching into the realm of the absurd. it appears this is the same guy/guys who wrote wrote all those uber weird/absurd binal tech toy tech spech bio's.

"Weird" =/= "bad". It takes some clever and heavy thinking to come up with such complexity.

deathy wrote:Anyways didn't a similar alternity story scenario happen in the TF Universe toy story bio's/tech specs. where unicron was feeding off the energy from the TF battles from all the alternate universes. where primus/vector prime bought back BM Primal & a crew to fight battles.

No, that was just a bunch of ordinary guys from across the Multiverse getting pulled together into the Post-Beast Machines time for one big conflict. It didn't just happen ion the toy bios. There was a full comic story and everything.

deathy wrote:Honestly,did the alternity guys & villians cause any choas & mass destruction like the other alternate TF universes did?? to merely prevent something is not considered choas/destruction. it has to actually happen to count. as various alternate TF universes prevented choas/destruction from happening.

Yep, yep, yep. In this comic, the moon is sliced at. In this one, the whole ground is reduced to rubble in at least two worlds. In this one, the whole place has been reduced to an uninhabitable ruin. In the final text story, Megatron used the tablet of the Planicrons to unleash their destructive force of magic on the Alternity, ultimately bringing it to its death in a cosmic phenomemon so great that, despite the Alternity members of the Convoy Corps had survived by having their essences transported to their Auto Avatars, it was felt across the multiverse. Megatron had by this point become "Megatherion", the God of Destruction. And all the Planicrons within than tablet had been killed themselves, which, given their singular nature of being the embodiment of their world, severely distorted and wounded Flatworld itself.

deathy wrote:Personally if were gonna add alternity than we might as well just count that silly G-1 TF season 3 episode as canon where that pig dude claimed to create unicron.

Monkey. And why not? It's canon.

Sabrblade wrote:Hmm, well, there's really no debate about it. There's really only one story that has the most astronomically powerful warriors of all time: Alternity.

This story was beyond epic. Possibly the biggest event ever constructed in Transformers fiction. The sheer scale of this story was cosmic, with the whole of reality itself being the set battleground.

Fighting on the side of the Autobots were the Alternity and the Protectors.

The Alternity are higher-dimensional beings having evolved beyond the limits of Cybertronian life. They exist on a higher plane of existence, spanning the entire multiverse, and are contain a collective consciousness that consists of a combination of multiple versions of a single indivdual (i.e. - Alternity Convoy is every Convoy/Optimus Prime), enabling them to existing in all worlds simultaneously. In order to interact with the physical world, the Alternity make use of material vessels called Auto-Avatars, which resemble the forms of the ordinary lesser being Transformers, but contain characteristics of super-advanced nature of the Alternity (such as being constructed by higher-dimensional material Alternium).

However, as advanced as these Autobots have become, there is a limit to their power: they cannot travel to any times or worlds that existed prior to 2007. This is where the Protectors come in. While not being hyper-dimensional beings like the Alternity, they are elite soldiers who served under the Alternity and are charged with safeguarding timelines. They are able to travel back to times prior to 2003 to confront enemies to time/space who would pose threats at any given time before that year. Also unlike the Alternity, there is only one of each member, rather than each one being every iteration of that character.

To counter this, however, the Deceptcions have their own forces: the Megatron Aggregate and the Questors.

The Megatron Aggregate is the Cons's answer to the Alternity. Having trapped and absorbed the power of the gigantic and intangible "Beast of Time" Hytherion, Megatron had artificially produced his own path to achieving the same hyper-dimensional status of the Alternity. Hytherion is the largest and most fearsome opponent to have ever appeared in Transformers lore (moreso even than Unicron). Because of his cosmically-scaled nature, he is practicall invisible to the physical world of ordinary beings. Knowing this, Megatorn could have easily allowed him to devour time itself, thus eliminating the very origin of existence itself. However, Megs instead chose to take the god-beast's power into himself and forced a psuedo-Alternity metamorphosis upon himself, creating several Auto-Avatars of himself to form the Megatron Aggregate.

Aiding in Megatron's conquest of space-time are the Questors: Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker given new trans-dimensional bodies simialr to, but not as advanced as, those of the Alternity. Still, with their sparks encased in Alternium, they can traverse dimensions and eventually evolve to the higher-dimensional state of existence at which they would be able to combat the Alternity on even ground. The mission of the Questors is to help in the accessing Flatworld, a two-dimensional world that is the home of the Planicrons. The Planicrons are two-dimensional beings who have become the living embodiment of the phrase "'Till All Are One", having become a sophisticated single existence called the Cosmic Driver, which Megatron desires the power of in order to destroy the Alternity.

There has been no other TF fiction as so mind-bogglingly trans-dimensionally scaled as the fiction of the Alternity line.

Please tell me there's a stong, good story behind this... seriously.[/sincere]

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Please tell me there's a stong, good story behind this... seriously.[/sincere]

More like six short text stories, two two-page comics, one ten-page comic, and one ginormous epic concluding text story. But it is all worth the read.

Blurrz wrote:I'm actually flabbergasted about that. Never knew Alternity was so overpowered. This makes things interesting.

But every god has their kryptonite! There must be a mini-con for this.. hurry Unicron, poop out more mini-cons!

Yes, despite how powerful they are, both the Alternity and the Megatron Aggregate each have their own weaknesses. But since both are kinda spoilerific for one who has not read the stories... The Alternity cannot travel to any points in time that exist prior to when the material that makes up their very being, Alternium, was created: 2007. As for the Megatron Aggregate, should a large enough number of Megatron's Auto-Avatars be destroyed simultaneously, Megs would then lose his control over Hytherion and the god-beast would be free to overwhelm Megs' mind. All higher-dimensional beings composed of Alternium (i.e. - both sides) Have one other shared weakness. They have no defenses against an attack made entirely of pure non-energy-based magic, which very few have been known and able to master.