The Energon Pub

It's the age old question. what's a spark? what's a spark composed of?
where does a spark go after the bot dies? can a spark be re-
incarnated? & so forth. lets hear everyones theories on TF Sparks.

Here's my quick theories on TF spark's:

1- Similar to Takara's Brave cartoons/toy lines. robots are energy
beings that inhabit bodies. like humans with souls inhabit bodies.

2-Beastwars,Beastmachines & other TF media Views sparks as being
composed of constant running energy that keeps spiraling & condensing
itself into a ball/sphere.

3-the soul feeds off the human body,when the body dies,the sould exits
the body & goes to heaven. the spark feeds off the robot body,when the
robot body dies the spark goes to the "allspark"

3a-cybertronian autobot leaders get the honor & privilage of having
their spark go to the matrix to guide the new leader with wisdom &
give him strenght. the matric is connected to the allspark thru a
portal via the spirit realm link up.

4- I believe in evolution but i'm not quite sure I believe in re-
incarnation.
Evolution is easy to believe in because we see evidence of animals
evolving into different species & colors. examples:
tigers,lions,panthers. shark,dolphins.

4a- I don't believe in re-incarnation because it cheapens life. what's
the point of living one life & messing up,then getting a bunch of re-
tries to fix a life so you get access to heaven. what's the point of
living a perfect life,then getting screwed by doing un-wanted re-tries
& getting sent to hell. I'm sorry you only get one life to get
everything right,having re-tries via re-incarnation makes a joke out
of life.

4b- I don't believe life goes thru stages where we inhabit all forms
of life forms on earth, like bees,fish,bears,birds,then we finally go
to the highest level & inhabit a human body.

5-I don't believe in re-incarnation for transformers. similar to
humans,their is no such thing as re-incarnation for sparks nor souls.

6- I view the human soul as energy that inhabit the human body,similar
to a transformers spark that is energy that inhabits a robots body.

7-Like 06 said,Their are ways to place shell programs over sparks to
control them & give them limited persona. 06 sighted,beastmachines
megatron & his army of Vechicons.

8-Primus can create life,using fragments of his large spark to create
smaller sparks & put them into robots/transformers bodies. their
extensions of primus
& primus lives on thru his creations.

9-Unicron can't create life. unicron is the ultimate recycling
machine. unicron eats planets,stores the materials & designs more
powerful robot bodies. unicron when he eats planets with robot life on
it,he stores the sparks in a chamber. unicron has the abilty to erase
the stolen sparks memories & write a shell program over the

10-I'm currently un-decided about the "Transformers animated" Sparks shards thing. regarding the "allspark shards & starscream dividing up his spark into shards to grant life to his creations. I don't think I like the animated sparks shards theories & I prefer the beastwars constant energy sparks thing better.

Edit.

Forget it.

deathy wrote:It's the age old question. what's a spark? what's a spark composed of?
where does a spark go after the bot dies? can a spark be re-
incarnated? & so forth. lets hear everyones theories on TF Sparks.

Not theory, but we know quite a bit about it.

deathy wrote:1- Similar to Takara's Brave cartoons/toy lines. robots are energy
beings that inhabit bodies. like humans with souls inhabit bodies.

No, as it's been shown Transformers can survive without a Spark, such as Starscream surviving with a piece of the AllSpark lodged in him, as well as the Diagnostic Drone from BM.

deathy wrote:3-the soul feeds off the human body,when the body dies,the sould exits
the body & goes to heaven. the spark feeds off the robot body,when the
robot body dies the spark goes to the "allspark"

And if the body is repaired, or a new body is found, the Spark can be put right back in.

deathy wrote:3a-cybertronian autobot leaders get the honor & privilage of having
their spark go to the matrix to guide the new leader with wisdom &
give him strenght. the matric is connected to the allspark thru a
portal via the spirit realm link up.

No, the Matrix is connected to the Matrix Bearers, (I.e., Optimus Prime) who feed their knowledge and wisdom into it by having it on them.

deathy wrote:4a- I don't believe in re-incarnation because it cheapens life. what's
the point of living one life & messing up,then getting a bunch of re-
tries to fix a life so you get access to heaven. what's the point of
living a perfect life,then getting screwed by doing un-wanted re-tries
& getting sent to hell. I'm sorry you only get one life to get
everything right,having re-tries via re-incarnation makes a joke out
of life.

I don't see how this is related to the subject at all. The idea of reincarnation is so that we can learn from mistakes in our past life, grow from it, then eventually move on. If you truly lived a perfect life, then you don't end up reincarnated.

deathy wrote:4b- I don't believe life goes thru stages where we inhabit all forms
of life forms on earth, like bees,fish,bears,birds,then we finally go
to the highest level & inhabit a human body. this crack pot theory
seems retarted.

And who the hell are you to call other people's belief systems retarded crack pot theories?

deathy wrote:5-I don't believe in re-incarnation for transformers. similar to
humans,their is no such thing as re-incarnation for sparks nor souls.

Except that it does. A clear case would be Optimus Primal. He died, and they put his Spark into a fancy new body.

deathy wrote:6- I view the human soul as energy that inhabit the human body,similar
to a transformers spark that is energy that inhabits a robots body.

With the exception, and I've stated this before, that the Spark has a physical, visible form, while the human soul doesn't.

deathy wrote:8-Primus can create life,using fragments of his large spark to create
smaller sparks & put them into robots/transformers bodies. their
extensions of primus
& primus lives on thru his creations.

Not necessarily. Vector Sigma is often shown doing it and that's separate from Primus. Likewise, Wheeljack built the Dinobots himself without any help from either Vector Sigma or Primus.

deathy wrote:10-I'm currently un-decided about the "Transformers animated" Sparks shards thing. regarding the "allspark shards & starscream dividing up his spark into shards to grant life to his creations. I don't think I like the animated sparks shards theories & I prefer the beastwars constant energy sparks thing better.

I think the reason you don't believe that is because that's not what happened. Starscream was dead and his Spark was extinguished. He was revived by a piece of the AllSpark being lodged in his body, and he was able to use that to build his clones.

Shadowman and stovokor, how'd I label you two, great sages of TF lore?

fenrir72 wrote:Shadowman and stovokor, how'd I label you two, great sages of TF lore?

did you call me?

Shadowman wrote:

deathy wrote:3a-cybertronian autobot leaders get the honor & privilage of having
their spark go to the matrix to guide the new leader with wisdom &
give him strenght. the matric is connected to the allspark thru a
portal via the spirit realm link up.

No, the Matrix is connected to the Matrix Bearers, (I.e., Optimus Prime) who feed their knowledge and wisdom into it by having it on them.

The Creation Matrix is connected to both, though, as it links its bearers together via a mental/spiritual link, and grants life to new bots by accessing them from the Allspark.

Though, I do think it should be noted that there is a distinction between the "Allspark" (afterlife dimension, called the "Well of All Sparks" in Animated), and "AllSpark" (physical "Sacred Implement" talisman).